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I'm out of touch of the game now so I can't help
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battle cats feat discussion thread
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well that's sad
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I gathered a bunch of juicy scans usable to scale low tier characters like piggie or hippoe, cats in the box can be used for speed too, that's neat. We can even use the soda cans to scale cat size, then use various scans to scale base size. We even got trait and attack types being canon too, that's cool. I could work something out of these. Also money and gacha is canon obviously.
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Holy moly bullet train is H7A+, 2 Gigatons and is sub-relativistic... Never thought about how fast that thing is
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Note that dioramos contains the heat of 1000 suns.
Gladios is at least multi continental.
Sodom could reach planetary
Hevijack laid waste to multiple worlds, can annihilate a whole kingdom in base form
Gunduros annihilated an entire civilization in 1 night
Welp, as expected of lords of destruction
Gladios is at least multi continental.
Sodom could reach planetary
Hevijack laid waste to multiple worlds, can annihilate a whole kingdom in base form
Gunduros annihilated an entire civilization in 1 night
Welp, as expected of lords of destruction
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Kaguya almost destroyed a Galaxy once, basically a death star. Anyways placing her at multi solar system at least.
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Cosmo is at least MFTL+, and can handle black holes. Well gravi has quite the same speed...
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The almighties...
Lucifer with possibly planetary, though that depends on what "a dark world" means.
Chronos is at the least uni, could be low multi.
Ganesha has infinite might, hyperbole maybe, but take Chronos into account could be high uni...
Amaterasu is straightup star level
Anubis is just Beerus
Zeus obviously is top 1, can create a paradise.
Lucifer with possibly planetary, though that depends on what "a dark world" means.
Chronos is at the least uni, could be low multi.
Ganesha has infinite might, hyperbole maybe, but take Chronos into account could be high uni...
Amaterasu is straightup star level
Anubis is just Beerus
Zeus obviously is top 1, can create a paradise.
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Iron legion my goat!
DethtroyR can obliterate everything for tens of kilometer, and is completely immune to all weapons on the planet. Flying cat victim still.
Orbital annihilator my goat obviously outscales.
Bomburr is casually nuke level
Cat pult scales above Deth troy R due to being able to overwhelm all land-based opponent.
DethtroyR can obliterate everything for tens of kilometer, and is completely immune to all weapons on the planet. Flying cat victim still.
Orbital annihilator my goat obviously outscales.
Bomburr is casually nuke level
Cat pult scales above Deth troy R due to being able to overwhelm all land-based opponent.
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Elemental pixies
Bora is casually star level to large star, possibly solar system or higher in UF
Mizli is planetary at least
Aer range from moutain+ to dwarf star.
Volta has powersource from a uni level storm
Gravi can throw large rocks... Welp, at least he got impressive speed feat.
Yami is planetary to large planetary/ star level (if the black void is actually black holes).
Bliza is casually star level.
Tekachi slams gravi due to being able to withstand even the largest of impacts, I mean gravi is rock level so it's not much of a deal... Possibly way higher from Mizli and Aer upscales.
Bora is casually star level to large star, possibly solar system or higher in UF
Mizli is planetary at least
Aer range from moutain+ to dwarf star.
Volta has powersource from a uni level storm
Gravi can throw large rocks... Welp, at least he got impressive speed feat.
Yami is planetary to large planetary/ star level (if the black void is actually black holes).
Bliza is casually star level.
Tekachi slams gravi due to being able to withstand even the largest of impacts, I mean gravi is rock level so it's not much of a deal... Possibly way higher from Mizli and Aer upscales.
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Dynamites
Dynasaurus whole thing is extreme heat, reaching 1 mil degree.
Lasvoss outscales every uber here realistically with his apocalyptic lore and sheer attack stats.
...welp, as expected, nothing much.
Dynasaurus whole thing is extreme heat, reaching 1 mil degree.
Lasvoss outscales every uber here realistically with his apocalyptic lore and sheer attack stats.
...welp, as expected, nothing much.
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that's it for the mid/high tier cat meta, we should start from here first.
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interested in making scaling for low tiers? I'm not feeling so good rn so I guess I'll just stick with making profiles for all the ubers mentioned above first. If yes I'll provide you every relevant scans I got from the manga. Low tiers are first form only, with the weakest being tank cat who can move a small rock (ofc I haven't got a scan for that one yet).
I'll make a calc for bullet train the goat.
I'll make a calc for bullet train the goat.
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There's a lot of rules for making profiles, you shouldn't start making any until you learn all of them. If your profiles don't follow the rules, they'll be deleted and, after enough improper profiles, you could get banned.
I'm not very good at making calcs, so I can't help you with the low tiers, unfortunately.
Ultimately, I'd wait on doing all of this until we have more people willing to help.
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Please someone make a profile for them already.
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Well I know how to make profiles already (and already made 2 for Chainsaw man). The condition is that the characters are not too obscure (which they are not obviously), proper grammar, scaling need proper scan, I forgot from which tier require a CRT (CRT will obviously be needed for Sages as they scales to "far higher dimensions") so if anyone knows? Could ask admins on their wall like Antvastima too, if anyone could help with that while I'm making calc for bullet train.
iirc all the ubers mentioned above doesn't need a CRT cause they're just tier 3 at best, Chronos with a possibly Low 2-C maybe.
I also don't know how to make a proper cosmology page for the verse (like do we need a CRT to get it approved?) and such, as well as if things like gameplay mechanic being relevant for scaling should also need a page and a CRT too. If anyone could find the proper answer for these it'd help a lot.
Things that are currently possible: Chain scaling relative cats, like Ubers from the same set (as they are quite relative to each other), the legend rares, all normal cats and legend cats based on their lore, but have to be in the same form as we know bullet train went from something like small building level to country / continental (pending calc, 200000000km/h for Japanese version ramped the train to oblivion), or flying cat got city level scaling in true form, island cat being a literal island (Manic island supports this), etc...
Enemies chain scaling based on chapters is also quite possible, for example doge and snache's stats could be used to scale to each other, as in the manga it's also quite consistent, or hippoe vs piggie as it's also consistent too. This one would be super complicated, but will help a lot for the verse. Well obviously this must be considered extremely carefully, as we already know how fast bullet train could go...
Trait being canon to lore (from the bc manga, as well as some of the enemy descriptions and basically all of unit's descriptions) which result to a completely unique system of hax for the characters (racist cats lets go)
Proof that cat size are super duper inconsistent (like the flying cat), or the wheel cat who became a literal solar system in it's 2nd form for example, so we don't have to make Babel 3 meters tall.
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Cool!
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Started making a profile for The Cat, though it'll probably be a while before I finish it. Here it is, in case you're curious:
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The Cat (The Battle Cats)
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I will make the calcs soon. First we have 2 metas for the normal cat, one is scaling them to those guys and make them big as heck, or 2 is scaling them to the human in part 1 of the manga, which do you think is better in this case?Started making a profile for The Cat, though it'll probably be a while before I finish it. Here it is, in case you're curious:
The Cat (The Battle Cats)
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Scaling them to Those Guys doesn't really work because it'd be equally valid to scale them to Snache, Pigge, or Hippoe, all of which would make the Cats much smaller. Also, the sizes shown in game are horribly inconsistent. The human in the manga is obviously stylized and, as such, is pretty questionable. I scaled them to the champagne glasses shown in the second chapter of the Nyanko Shinryaku (here) because that felt the most consistent and this manga has very few, if any, exaggerated or cartoony proportions.
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Holy hell...
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Any idea who this would scale to? Aside from the train obviously.
The fastest and strongest bullet train
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Any idea who this would scale to? Aside from the train obviously.
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Probably all Uber Rare units, Legend Rare units, and True Forms of Super Rare units since they can all take on the same kinds of enemies, assuming that this gets accepted.Holy hell...
The fastest and strongest bullet train
Any idea who this would scale to? Aside from the train obviously.
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Ah right, for the cat profile, I suggest you using the same format as I used for this profile. Just click on edit, copy the source code and click cancel to not change anything, then paste it on your sandbox and study the source code. They have specifications for how to format tiers too so if you didn't know, be careful with that also.
For cat's true form, it was shown that most cat will have their stats significantly increases in TF and this would also be canon to the manga iirc, of course depends on which stats increases as stated in the evolve menu (for example Aphrodite who only gets a health boosts), as well as depends on the lore difference between forms that results in drastically increased power (most noticeable in elemental pixies, Aer for example), but that could be used for a solid "higher" rating in such form if you got nothing else, as well as a "at least" rating compare to the form before.
Anyways, for normal cat, we could go with the gag manga where it's TF doesn't change anything but adding hair, or going with stats increase in-game where it gains double the stats. Also add scans for all of the abilities, scans are extremely important. For stats I'll create a scaling soon.
For cat's true form, it was shown that most cat will have their stats significantly increases in TF and this would also be canon to the manga iirc, of course depends on which stats increases as stated in the evolve menu (for example Aphrodite who only gets a health boosts), as well as depends on the lore difference between forms that results in drastically increased power (most noticeable in elemental pixies, Aer for example), but that could be used for a solid "higher" rating in such form if you got nothing else, as well as a "at least" rating compare to the form before.
Anyways, for normal cat, we could go with the gag manga where it's TF doesn't change anything but adding hair, or going with stats increase in-game where it gains double the stats. Also add scans for all of the abilities, scans are extremely important. For stats I'll create a scaling soon.
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Wow, a pig falling flat on its belly is comparable to blowing up a tower huh?
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actually blowing up that tower yields about 12 times the result, so actually no.
Edit: The pig now has a Street level+ end, likely the one that will be accepted
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The manga is a lost media, but I'm glad I could get quality scans of some of the chapters (and now I could also confirm that Kasa Jizo's castle is actually quite small)
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Could also download the drive file in case the english scans ended up lost too
Lost Battle Cats Manga (Need help!) | Forums - The Lost Media Wiki
Edit 2/14/24: https://****************/drive/folders/1CfbMHF3g1Gq2WdySFDUwn-7qGINfHidH I made a Google drive with all pages ive found, I forgot to put this in here earlier lol, Majority of found pa
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Could also download the drive file in case the english scans ended up lost too
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Check out if I miss anything for the traits
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The Battle Cats explanation page
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I think it's done now
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Do we need a cosmology page? I mean the battle cat's cosmology are quite convoluted, but I'm not sure if we really need a whole page for that.
The Battle Cats explanation page
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Do we need a cosmology page? I mean the battle cat's cosmology are quite convoluted, but I'm not sure if we really need a whole page for that.
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Should probably note that Red, Black, Floating, Angel, Alien, Zombie, Aku, Relic, Metal, and maybe Sage enemies take reduced damage from all attacks that don't directly target their Trait, granting them Passive Damage ReductionCheck out if I miss anything for the traits
The Battle Cats explanation page
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They don't though? It's our cats that are dealing increased damage right? Only metal enemies have this. Also look at the rest of the page, I've finished it but unsure if I should change anything.
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Huh. Don't know how I came up with that because I just checked the wiki and you're right. Whoops.
Everything you've put looks fine, but there's still some stuff to add:
•Angel enemies and Aku enemies can travel to the main world from Heaven and the Aku Realm respectively, so both get Dimensional Travel.
•Black units become black by becoming fixated on killing.
•Aliens are stated to be capable of mind control in the Into the Future opening text.
•Starred Aliens' Teleportation via Spatial Manipulation would just be Portal Creation.
•Zombies have type 2 Immortality due to being comparable to Zackie Peng and Zroco and have Low-Mid Regeneration for reforming their bones after collapsing.
Oh, also Aku enemies are stated to use Unholy Magic, and can send the souls of their victims to the Aku Realm upon killing them.
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Is this specifically their ability or just some weird portal? Cause iirc Aku enemies by themselves doesn't have that, and I'm not sure if I could count it as limited Dimensional travel or not, depends on the context too. Ofc unless I remembered it wrong...
Ah, that's right.
Nah, it's not specifically their own abilities, it's just their tech. We could create a group profile for this trait and give them the ability, just like how all cats doesn't have access to time travel despite traveling through time and stuff.
I legit was trying to remember what ability this is, thanks.
Ah, that's also right.
where was it stated?
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Also could you post an imgur image of the pile of bones? As well as several zombie enemies with lost body parts. My imgur is dead.
Also I think it's should be Mid Regen rather than Low-Mid, cause there is only a skull left, everything else turned into a puddle. And the regen will be limited, maybe it could go with limited Immortality type 3 too? Or does that overlap with Type 4?
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I don't think it's ever stated, to be honest.
I misremembered (I made my notes on all of this like a year ago), but they're stated to be demons (their Japanese names translate to devils or demons) and have sold their souls to the Aku, implying that Aku enemies can claim souls:
•Ackey: "A cold-hearted baseball ace who sold his twin brother's soul to the Aku for a tournament victory."
•Aku Cyclone: "A vast, all-consuming evil tempest. Souls it draws inside are sent to the Aku realms to join that land's wicked armies."
•Cerberus Kids: "A trio of netdwellers who sold their souls by clicking on an Aku spam recruitment email."
•Condemned Peng: "Famed for starring in "The Sleepless Peng." To stay on for the sequel, made an Aku pact for a body that needs no rest."
•Le'Behemoth: " Made a deal with the Aku: his soul for a set of very hard to come by photos... no further questions."
•Vermilingua Ringmaster: "Made an Aku contract to gain x-ray vision to
better sculpt nude statue subjects, but now
just sees through clothes and skin to the bones..."
So I guess Aku enemies would get Unholy Magic (Due to using magical abilities associated with demons and devils) and Limited Soul Manipulation (Can claim others' souls by making deals with them)
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Here you go. Also, regenerating from melting (aside from a skull) would be Low-High Regen with a note that their skulls don't regenerate.
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also add in images of Zroco, Zackie, Zollow and oldstrich
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Do you mean the downed sprites or just their idle sprites? Because if it's the former, I'm pretty sure all zombies have the same downed sprites. At least Zoge, Znache, and the zombie Pigge do
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idle ofc, it's for immortality type 2.
Also I added in new abilities for the Akus plus stats chainscaling for enemies (kinda forgot to add that one), check them out
Also I think we should separate shield and barrier with something, cause the 2 abilities are indistinguishable crossverse, maybe 1 will be energy manip and the other is just magic? Are there lore supporting that?
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regarding explanation and traits
you should include that the traits are part of lore and description affecting the life and story of the cats.
iirc there were cats who are annoyed for being branded as floating or red in some cases etc or considered floating despite not really flying all the time
you should include that the traits are part of lore and description affecting the life and story of the cats.
iirc there were cats who are annoyed for being branded as floating or red in some cases etc or considered floating despite not really flying all the time
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