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Base Aizen is far stronger than people give him credit for.
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@amlad22 @Soldier Blue
I know, which is precisely what I'm saying. Just because there is a time skip, doesn't mean people become stronger. Ukitake is too weak to even improve, Shunsui is too lazy, Yamamoto is too old and loses an arm, Unohana gave up the sword, and so on. Unless there is an actual confirmation, we can't take them as having a huge improvement. Chad, Uryu, and Orihime have trained their asses to become stronger, and we have seen them in action.
I know, which is precisely what I'm saying. Just because there is a time skip, doesn't mean people become stronger. Ukitake is too weak to even improve, Shunsui is too lazy, Yamamoto is too old and loses an arm, Unohana gave up the sword, and so on. Unless there is an actual confirmation, we can't take them as having a huge improvement. Chad, Uryu, and Orihime have trained their asses to become stronger, and we have seen them in action.
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@KamiYasha @Alakabamm @LordAizenSama @VenomElite
Can any of you give your thoughts on this?
Can any of you give your thoughts on this?
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they are not following this thread as none of them have seen it (to my knowledge) - you need to message their walls. You can find most of them from the staff page
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Amlad, didn't you already have this conversation with Aizen already?
Basically I agree with Aizen and Ant.
| Because they have totally different levels of powers and feats. regardless of whether or not they trained or not, the last arc obviously jumped in power drastically. A common thing in timeskips. This is not up for negotiation, so yeah. | ||
~ Aize |
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Even so, like is been said before, those key characters have not powered up at all. In fact, Yama only became weaker. We can't just take it for granting just because there are some power-ups in the series. Especially if those same power-ups only jump them to Captains on the lv of Shunsui. Remember those same Captains that power up, Byakuya, Toshiro, Kenpachi, etc, were still insanely weaker than Unohana and so on Captains.
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^ No need to speak out like that against the wiki
I also agree with you guys that the old captains should get an upgrade for pre-skip. Though what I would truly like to see is just one set of stats with no key separating their pre-skip and post-skip selves since they should have stayed the same throughout the main time-line of the series since all of them are well past their prime (like Makarov Dreyar for example). The only ones who improved over the skip were younger characters such as Byakuya, Zaraki, Hitsugaya, Renji, Rukia, Hisagi, Ichigo, etc.
But if this is accepted, there would be two huge changes across the Bleach power-scales which the staff would have to discuss and accept:
1. The calcs pegging Hueco Mundo Uryu and Coyote Starrk and other pre-skip characters at MHS. This would result in a complete re-examine of how fast pre-skip Bleach is and perhaps upgrade most pre-skip characters on Captain level or higher to MHS.
2. Pre-skip Yamamoto, Aizen, Kyoraku, Ukitake, Unohana, Isshin, Urahara, Yoruichi (probably), H2 Ichigo (probably), even Starrk in Resurreccion would have to be bumped up to 7-A.
Don't know if the staff are willing to accept this. They've declined pre-skip MHS Bleach before and I'm not sure how they'd feel about pre-skip 7-A Captain levels.
I also agree with you guys that the old captains should get an upgrade for pre-skip. Though what I would truly like to see is just one set of stats with no key separating their pre-skip and post-skip selves since they should have stayed the same throughout the main time-line of the series since all of them are well past their prime (like Makarov Dreyar for example). The only ones who improved over the skip were younger characters such as Byakuya, Zaraki, Hitsugaya, Renji, Rukia, Hisagi, Ichigo, etc.
But if this is accepted, there would be two huge changes across the Bleach power-scales which the staff would have to discuss and accept:
1. The calcs pegging Hueco Mundo Uryu and Coyote Starrk and other pre-skip characters at MHS. This would result in a complete re-examine of how fast pre-skip Bleach is and perhaps upgrade most pre-skip characters on Captain level or higher to MHS.
2. Pre-skip Yamamoto, Aizen, Kyoraku, Ukitake, Unohana, Isshin, Urahara, Yoruichi (probably), H2 Ichigo (probably), even Starrk in Resurreccion would have to be bumped up to 7-A.
Don't know if the staff are willing to accept this. They've declined pre-skip MHS Bleach before and I'm not sure how they'd feel about pre-skip 7-A Captain levels.
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Oh... Sorry.
Yeah, sometimes verses do get major changes across the board. We recently had a major Disney canon Star Wars revision and I went around changing the speed stats for pretty much every canon Force adept.
Yeah, sometimes verses do get major changes across the board. We recently had a major Disney canon Star Wars revision and I went around changing the speed stats for pretty much every canon Force adept.
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^ Right. But someone has to first dig up those Uyru and Starrk MHS calcs and present them so pre-skip MHS Bleach is a thing (and get them evaluated by calc group members here). I can't find them. We can't merely rely on reasoning that some characters stayed the same throughout.
Not an upgrade but a downgrade for the Disney canon. They went from sub-relativistic to hypersonic with MHS reflexes. Legends canon Force users are still relativistic with lightspeed reflexes though.
Not an upgrade but a downgrade for the Disney canon. They went from sub-relativistic to hypersonic with MHS reflexes. Legends canon Force users are still relativistic with lightspeed reflexes though.
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You found it? Good job. And I have no idea why it was declined. You'll have to bring it to the attention of some calc group member and get their approval.
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Here is the list of calc group members.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/VS_Battles_Staff#Calculation_Group
I honestly don't know which of them would be interested in a Bleach calc.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/VS_Battles_Staff#Calculation_Group
I honestly don't know which of them would be interested in a Bleach calc.
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If you mean Illuminati's old calculation, we have talked about it repeatedly, and it does not make any sense for Uryu to have shot the arrows at extremely different speeds, so the last ones could catch up to the first ones. I would prefer if you do not bring it up again.
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The Illuminati calc is not reliable as Ant stated primarily due to the attack being rapid-fire. we'd have to divide the result by the number of impacts, or even by how many arrows were shot, depending on how the attack was discharged (which is impossible to gauge due to the manga lacking such information).
It would be just like if Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Storm's result was brought into play. It would not make sense for the entire result to scale to AP when he applied the feat with numerous punches.
It would be just like if Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Storm's result was brought into play. It would not make sense for the entire result to scale to AP when he applied the feat with numerous punches.
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i don't see how that calc would make sense if it is calculating speed... he could be holding onto all 1200 shots that he fires every second, not firing one at a time... consecutively =/= one by one.
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Nevermind. I found it, and it was already apply to the calc.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Uryu_Speed_Calc_(Hueco_Mundo_Arc)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Uryu_Speed_Calc_(Hueco_Mundo_Arc)
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Viz Media says he shoots 1200 at the same time.
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