Barbatos vs Archie Shadow

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Lets see how this one goes. 2-A for both and speed is equalized. Who wins?

Barbatos: 0

Shadow: 7 (Maverick Zero X, AlexZiggy, Stillwinston, CrimsonStarFallen, A Stoned Orc, BlueBlur24, ShakeResounding)

Inconclusive: 0

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Bump.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Shadow via Concept manip, and resistance to Bar's mind hax

 

[AlexZiggy]

How good is his mind hax?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Not good enough to affect Shadow as Shadow resists 2-A mind hax.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Well then Shadow FRA and Soul Manipulation

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not good enough to affect Shadow as Shadow resists 2-A mind hax.

If this is based on the evidence of last time, no he doesn't.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Isn't type 3 conceptual manipulation useless on a 4-D scale?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No, it's useful. Granted, I don't think Sonic should have it, and even if I did, Sonic doesn't lol-reality-warp-concepts-on-a-multiversal-scale more than once ever, but it's useful.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Shadow usually goes for heavy usage of his Chaos Powers when he can.

 

[Stillwinston]

Shadow FRA

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wait, this said Shadow, not Sonic. My b.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

If this is based on the evidence of last time, no he doesn't.

Shadow already has mind resistance in base form, plus this is Super Shadow who has the Chaos Emeralds. Chaos Emeralds have been shown to no-sell mind hax. For example, Sonic, Knuckles, and Tails in the super forms resisted mind hax from Master Mogul who is a 2-A. Also worth noting base Sonic resisted mind hax from Enerjak who is also 2-A.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Hax doesn't relate to tier, man. Mogul isn't 4-D and he doesn't have the mindhax feats surpassing that of like, Madara. Same with Enerjak, or at least his avatars.

Like I said, it was brought up before.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Mogul is 4D though

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I mean, Master Mogul absorbed the Chaos Force, a realm beyond the multiverse and could crush zones with his bare hands.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Absorbing a 4-D power =/= being 4-D

There are countless Digimon for example who can do exactly what you said on an infinitely greater scale but are still 3-D.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

So Lucemon is a 3D with 4D power?

 

[AlexZiggy]

Mogul also became pan dimensional

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Mogul also became pan dimensional

I saw the link you posted but I can't find where he actually said that in the comics.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Lucey and the rest of the SDGL are actually higher dimensional. The Royal Knights for example, aren't.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So Lucemon is a 3D with 4D power?

Lucemon is objectively a higher dimensional being. He quite literally a concept and nothingness itself. He's a multiversal constant and killing him causes a negative effect on the universe. Same for the other SGDL. The RK are 3-D beings with 4-D/5-D powers. Olympos Xll are 3-D beings with 4-D power. Grimmon is a 3-D being with 4-D power. RagnaLordmo is a blatant 4-D being at the very least as he has a direct statement of him being one. Apocalymo is literally a 4-D concept. Honestly, me and Ex could argue for all Digimon being HD beings seeing as there are statements and lore that imply such a thing...buuuut we don't.

Either way, I don't get where you got the whole Lucemon is a 3-D being with 4-D power from.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Woohoo! It's not me getting the lecture this time! ovo

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Lucemon is objectively a higher dimensional being. He quite literally a concept and nothingness itself. He's a multiversal constant and killing him causes a negative effect on the universe. Same for the other SGDL. The RK are 3-D beings with 4-D powers. Olympos Xll are 3-D beings with 4-D power. Grimmon is a 3-D being with 4-D power. RagnaLordmon is a blatant 4-D being at the very least. Apocalymon is literally a 4-D concept. Honestly, me and Ex could argue for all Digimon being HD beings seeing as there are statements and lore that imply such a thing...buuuut we don't.

Either way, I don't get where you got the whole Lucemon is a 3-D being with 4-D power from.

I'm not really knowledgeable about Digimon. I just saw Cal mention Digimon so I asked.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

• Cal pats Shadow on the back

I feel your pain, man.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Hm hm.....carry on.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

btw is this guy's "At least 2-A" an "infinitely above baseline" rating? Or is it that he's superior to a bunch of 2-A's?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

btw is this guy's "At least 2-A" an "infinitely above baseline" rating? Or is it that he's superior to a bunch of 2-A's?

Superior to a bunch of 2-A's.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

btw is this guy's "At least 2-A" an "infinitely above baseline" rating? Or is it that he's superior to a bunch of 2-A's?

He killed the Forger who has a baseline 2-A feat of creating infinite universes. Then there's the filling the Forge of Worlds with dark endings, a part of the dark multiverse, which is much larger than the regular multiverse. So he should be decently above baseline, but not infinitely above it.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Anyway, Shadow via Ap advantage, Conceptual Manipulation and Existence Erasure.

 

[Theglassman12]

So does anyone care to explain how Shadow's concept hax, and EE works, and how they can be activated before Barbatos use any of his hax against shadow?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

It comes in the form of a pulse of energy that can encompass all-existence.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Btw, does Barbatos resist time stop? He doesn't have resistence to it and he doesn't seem to be a 4-D being. He also doesn't have immensurable/infinite speed...

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Btw, does Barbatos resist time stop? He doesn't have resistence to it and he doesn't seem to be a 4-D being. He also doesn't have immensurable/infinite speed...

No he doesn't.

 

[Theglassman12]

and how does it encompassing all-existance equate to him being able to EE someone, and does he do it often? If so, I'd like to see scans.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I wuz just explained how it works. EE being able to be derived from Chaos Energy is stated here and shown here.

Shadow himself has never done so (Sonic is the one with all the feats) but his control and handling of Chaos Energy is stated to surpass Sonic's and his Chaos Powers are his go-to techniques in combat.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

EE scales from Enerjak, who can use Chaos Energy to erase someone with a wave of his hand.

Conceptual manipulation comes from chaos control, aka a wave of energy that warps reality and destroys concepts.

I don't have the scans but Shadow/Maverick should have then. Not sure about how often he uses it.

Also, what can Barbatos do against time stop?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Maverick. The first one needs to be shown to be more than boasting. The second one is existence erasure, but it seems more like an attack that wipes the multiverse, so it's just a 2-A attack.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Maverick. The first one needs to be shown to be more than boasting. The second one is existence erasure, but it seems more like an attack that wipes the multiverse, so it's just a 2-A attack.

Here's an example of Enerjak using Chaos energy to erase someone.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Now that one I can't be a d*** about because it's legit. Poor robo-puppy...