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Barbatos Respect Thread
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>At least 2-B.
Absolutely not, this is based on nothing but headcanon and downplay. Even if we are going this route to appease, it should be At least 2-A.
Absolutely not, this is based on nothing but headcanon and downplay. Even if we are going this route to appease, it should be At least 2-A.
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I do but I disagree, it seems entirely built on treating each comicbook storyline as existing in its own pocket dimension cut of from the rest of reality, while also ignoring every single indication within said storyline of a higher level of power than what you personally believe in.
It's Argument from Incredulity mixed with applying unreasonably high standards such as demanding each story explains the full cosmology, rather than the basic assumption that it isn't because it already has in other stories.
It's Argument from Incredulity mixed with applying unreasonably high standards such as demanding each story explains the full cosmology, rather than the basic assumption that it isn't because it already has in other stories.
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Well, in this case it is mostly just that the entire focus was on the creation of dark universes, and that Barbatos was shown as far too much of a pushover to rationally qualify for a Beyonder-level rating.
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The Beyonder has nothing to do with this, why bring him up?
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There are multiple verses where 2-A, High 1-B, and even 1-A entities get effortlessly curbstomped by higher beings.Antvasima said:
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How easily a character is defeated has nothing to do with their tier.
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BTW, I am not even in favor of absolutely High 1-B Barbatos. I am simply against arguments from incredulity.
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Pretty sure either that's out of context, or its a massive low-end anyway, be he 2-B or High 1-B.Antvasima said:
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The point is that all that we know about Barbatos is that he saw to the forging of a possibly infinite number of nightmare universes, and was defeated by Hawkgirl. He did not appear much during the event.
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That's wrong. He did several more things.Antvasima said:
Hell, a crux of his backstory is murdering the Forger, who created the Dark Multiverse that's much larger than the normal multiverse.
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The Motherbox ,New God tech, is treated as comparable to Barbatos and a threat to him in Metal... So the list actually extends a lot larger.
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Did the forger really created the Dark Multiverse?
The way I see it, when the anti matter and positive universe was created, the anti monitor, monitor and the forger was born together with it
There's no mention of it creating the Dark Multiverse itself, just that it was tasked to watch over it. Just like the other two, it probably came into existence together with the Dark Multiverse, which doesnt necessarily means that it created it
The way I see it, when the anti matter and positive universe was created, the anti monitor, monitor and the forger was born together with it
There's no mention of it creating the Dark Multiverse itself, just that it was tasked to watch over it. Just like the other two, it probably came into existence together with the Dark Multiverse, which doesnt necessarily means that it created it
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Ant.Antvasima said:
They. Don't. Need. To Spoonfeed. You. This. Every. Single. Time.
The Dark Multiverse is much larger than the whole DC Multiverse, thus it is High 1-B. This is unarguable.
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I also dont think the Forger created the Dark Multiverse itself, just like the Monitor and Anti-Monitor, it probably came into existence at same time as the Dark Multiverse and was tasked to watch over it
Edit: if the forger created the Dark Multiverse, I guess he can be High 1-B
Edit: if the forger created the Dark Multiverse, I guess he can be High 1-B
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i think he should be more atleast high 1-B
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@Lucky
At least HIgh 1-B implies he could be 1-A. There is no such implication.
At least HIgh 1-B implies he could be 1-A. There is no such implication.
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I am unsure of such. I'll have to re-read it to be sure... But i am unsure of either side ATM.
A lazy way to do it is either " 2-B, possibly HIgh 1-B " ... Or " 2-A, possibly High 1-B " . Though... It would make every other profile possibly High 1-B... As this retcons Anti-Monitor's history
Also @Ant... Anti-Monitor's power was able to go through all dimensional planes sans one of them .
- Here is the Multiversity Map being utilized in-story . They explained that supposed everything was created by Anti-Matter and Matter ( Monitor and Anti-Monitor respectively ) . Anti-Monitor and Positive Monitor's power was then confirmed here .
- Here is the comparison between the Multiversity Map... And the Dark Multiverse .
- Dream of the Endless .
- Anti-Monitor Brain incident . Another one .
- Possible Upgrade for Batman who Laughs ? Or... Is this some sort of prep feat ?
- Interesting little cosmology detail between the Phantom Zone, Dark Multiverse, and Anti-Monitor . Also, Anti-Monitor connected the Dark Multiverse w/ the Phantom Zone supposedly .
-Barbatos will eventually destroy the totality of the Dreaming , which definitely is a High 1-B Feat.
- Even the Dream of the Endless calls the Dark Multiverse... a "Infinitely Vast Multiverse " .
- The Forge was made Dark due to Barbatos . This is a feat i am sure for him, but i am unsure to what degree.
- They confirm the Source Wall is the very limit of the Multiverse ... Which may or may not imply the Multiverse is High 1-B here. The Source Wall broke as a result of the chaos ... Albeit the Source Wall's durability is inconsistent... It is nice enough to know .
So there is significant evidence for either tier.... That is all I'm going to say.
A lazy way to do it is either " 2-B, possibly HIgh 1-B " ... Or " 2-A, possibly High 1-B " . Though... It would make every other profile possibly High 1-B... As this retcons Anti-Monitor's history
Also @Ant... Anti-Monitor's power was able to go through all dimensional planes sans one of them .
- Here is the Multiversity Map being utilized in-story . They explained that supposed everything was created by Anti-Matter and Matter ( Monitor and Anti-Monitor respectively ) . Anti-Monitor and Positive Monitor's power was then confirmed here .
- Here is the comparison between the Multiversity Map... And the Dark Multiverse .
- Dream of the Endless .
- Anti-Monitor Brain incident . Another one .
- Possible Upgrade for Batman who Laughs ? Or... Is this some sort of prep feat ?
- Interesting little cosmology detail between the Phantom Zone, Dark Multiverse, and Anti-Monitor . Also, Anti-Monitor connected the Dark Multiverse w/ the Phantom Zone supposedly .
-Barbatos will eventually destroy the totality of the Dreaming , which definitely is a High 1-B Feat.
- Even the Dream of the Endless calls the Dark Multiverse... a "Infinitely Vast Multiverse " .
- The Forge was made Dark due to Barbatos . This is a feat i am sure for him, but i am unsure to what degree.
- They confirm the Source Wall is the very limit of the Multiverse ... Which may or may not imply the Multiverse is High 1-B here. The Source Wall broke as a result of the chaos ... Albeit the Source Wall's durability is inconsistent... It is nice enough to know .
So there is significant evidence for either tier.... That is all I'm going to say.
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The Source Wall is High 1-B.
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@Seed
Please avoid interfering. This is exhausting enough as it is.
@Matthew
Well, the Source is that high, but comparatively low-tier characters have broken out of the wall surrounding it before.
Please avoid interfering. This is exhausting enough as it is.
@Matthew
Well, the Source is that high, but comparatively low-tier characters have broken out of the wall surrounding it before.
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I don't know. It would have to feature an explanation for why we do not rate him higher, but given the enormous contradictions involving the character, it might be better to avoid creating the profile.
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I came here explicitly to help out though. It isn´t as though i came up with 4-5 paragraphs of BS to explain something and wank it and exaggerate it beyond comprehension and become the waste of the earth by doing it that way . I came with scans. That is all. Can you please stop automatically assuming I´m here to disrupt the threads flow. I´m no where near the same person I was awhile back . I already stated it can go EITHER way, not immediately going to High 1-B, though I can see why someone would think that . 2-A is a fine assumption.
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@Seed
bruh the whole multiversity float in it which sound prolly include the endless....
and remember Destiny got the multiversity in his book
yet the whole multiversity swims in the dark muktiverse
bruh the whole multiversity float in it which sound prolly include the endless....
and remember Destiny got the multiversity in his book
yet the whole multiversity swims in the dark muktiverse
