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It controls the concept of Black or Darkness across the cosmology. So it's a Type 2, as there's no evidence its an independent concept.
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Is it me or shouldn't the kido cannon feat of obliterating the kyogoku in memories of nobody be calculated with Fullbring Shikai and Bankai ichigo scaling to it? From the death save the strawberry novel, it goes in depth with the amount of soul reapers adding their spiritual pressure to give ichigo (basically every shinigami in the gotei 13 which is like thousands) and it is also says the amount of power the blade has is directly proportional to the power ichigo would receive. While the kido cannon only required hundreds of soul reapers which is massively below the gotei 13 amplified blade power.
Calculating the obliteration of the kyogoku which has a star-earth system should yield solar system to multi solar system AP and should be used as a supporting Calc for the Gremmy outerspace feat. Should I make a CRT regarding this or?
Calculating the obliteration of the kyogoku which has a star-earth system should yield solar system to multi solar system AP and should be used as a supporting Calc for the Gremmy outerspace feat. Should I make a CRT regarding this or?
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Destroying a single solar system will always be 4-B unless the star in question is a Neutron Star.
Additionally I recently watched the movie, the Kido Cannon didn't one shot the Valley of Screams, but weaken the dimensional walls which allowed the Dangai to start eating it. So I'm not sure if you can even scale it to an AP figure.
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Is bleach a 6 CRT verse or a 3 CRT verse?
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Ahh okay. It's still a supporting Calc since ichigo is massively superior to that feat. As his power up comes from thousands of people.
Doesn't have to but the entire dimension was already stated to be disintegrating in the span of three minutes, a complete ten minute destruction time frame still makes it 4B.
This is not what happened btw, I just watched the movie hours ago after reading death saves the strawberry. You can scale it to an AP figure because it follows destruction feats. The only reason why destroying the valley of screams didn't stop the merge was because they fired it too late since ichigo and Co were there.
EDIT: It's a disintegration feat so would that yield higher or lower?
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Honestly, any ongoing CRT is mostly pointless at this point.
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I'm just not sure if I should release mine now or wait.
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Honestly I think you should wait a bit, and let the hassle with the other CRTs conclude.
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They shot the cannon, the firebird hit the dimension, and right after, a large crack formed that allowed the Dangai to seep in. Rangiku then confirms that the dimension is collapsing and will soon vanish. I'm just not sure if this is an AP feat. It didn't even bust the dimension itself.
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you can proceed, popular verses don't have to abide by the 3 crt rule
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did the info type 2 thread for High-Godly regen die from lack of staff?
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Bleach profile creation: The man who fought Sosuke Aizen on even grounds. Bonus: Minor Lost Agent Revision.
One of the strongest powerhouses in Bleach, a god tier who went unnoticed due to his low panel count. He saved the life of the main character Ichigo Kurosaki against one of the most dangerous hollows he ever faced and fought against Sosuke Aizen in his third fusion, who had gained power equal to...
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Probably.
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Is it possible to bring it back
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If Bleach ever gets a 2-D Versus-style, I want this to be the roster:
Base Roster (13 Characters - Soul Society Arc)
DLC Season Passes
Season 1 - Arrancar Arc (6 characters):
Season 2 - Vizard & Captains:
Season 3 - Fullbring Arc:
Season 4 - Thousand Year Blood War:
What characters would you had chosen?
Base Roster (13 Characters - Soul Society Arc)
- Ichigo Kurosaki (Shikai/Bankai form)
- Uryu Ishida
- Chad (Yasutora Sado)
- Orihime Inoue (add costumes from other arcs?)
- Byakuya Kuchiki
- Renji Abarai
- Toshiro Hitsugaya
- Kenpachi Zaraki
- Yoruichi Shihoin
- Sosuke Aizen (pre-Hogyoku) (secret character)
- Gin Ichimaru
- Kaname Tosen
- Rukia Kuchiki
DLC Season Passes
Season 1 - Arrancar Arc (6 characters):
- Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
- Ulquiorra Cifer
- Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck
- Starrk/Lilynette
- Barragan Louisenbairn
- Yammy Llargo
Season 2 - Vizard & Captains:
- Shinji Hirako
- Kisuke Urahara
- Shunsui Kyoraku
- Jushiro Ukitake
- Mayuri Kurotsuchi
- Sajin Komamura
Season 3 - Fullbring Arc:
- Ichigo (Fullbring form)
- Tsukishima Shukuro
- Ginjo Kugo
- Jackie Tristan
- Riruka Dokugamine
- Yukio Hans Vorarlberna
Season 4 - Thousand Year Blood War:
- Yhwach
- Jugram Haschwalth
- Bambietta Basterbine
- As Nodt
- Gremmy Thoumeaux
- Lille Barro
What characters would you had chosen?
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Probably, but I don't know if anyone wants to do that right now.
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No Bazz-B or Askin?If Bleach ever gets a 2-D Versus-style, I want this to be the roster:
Base Roster (13 Characters - Soul Society Arc)
- Ichigo Kurosaki (Shikai/Bankai form)
- Uryu Ishida
- Chad (Yasutora Sado)
- Orihime Inoue (add costumes from other arcs?)
- Byakuya Kuchiki
- Renji Abarai
- Toshiro Hitsugaya
- Kenpachi Zaraki
- Yoruichi Shihoin
- Sosuke Aizen (pre-Hogyoku) (secret character)
- Gin Ichimaru
- Kaname Tosen
- Rukia Kuchiki
DLC Season Passes
Season 1 - Arrancar Arc (6 characters):
- Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
- Ulquiorra Cifer
- Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck
- Starrk/Lilynette
- Barragan Louisenbairn
- Yammy Llargo
Season 2 - Vizard & Captains:
- Shinji Hirako
- Kisuke Urahara
- Shunsui Kyoraku
- Jushiro Ukitake
- Mayuri Kurotsuchi
- Sajin Komamura
Season 3 - Fullbring Arc:
- Ichigo (Fullbring form)
- Tsukishima Shukuro
- Ginjo Kugo
- Jackie Tristan
- Riruka Dokugamine
- Yukio Hans Vorarlberna
Season 4 - Thousand Year Blood War:
- Yhwach
- Jugram Haschwalth
- Bambietta Basterbine
- As Nodt
- Gremmy Thoumeaux
- Lille Barro
What characters would you had chosen?
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Because the dimension was getting destroyed? Is there any statement implying that the Dangai was the one destroying the kyogoku? Cause the only reason the Dangai's koryu could even enter the kyogoku in the first place was because the kyogoku was created in the Dangai which is a very rare instance. Usually kyogoku exists inside the garganta and the kido cannon's purpose is to destroy kyogoku even those outside the Dangai. Also ukitake also makes a statement that says the cannon could cause moderate damage to both worlds
Toshiro says this yes.
I still believe the many statements regarding the kido cannon should give it an AP rating at least because other kyogokus even bigger exists outside the Dangai and the kido cannon can be used to destroy those ones as well. So idk.
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Btw,should White/Masaki get a crt downgrade at some point given the Isshin Gentei Kaijo Klub question?
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I mean the main issue is that 80% of 4-A is still 4-A. Unless you're saying the 80% restriction and the bacl attack was much more damaging.
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Remove the W from White tbh it doesn't deserve it.
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White and Masaki are currently 6-B from young Isshin being 6-B (unless you think that would be changed.) Also, what he means by downgrade is the values, not the tier.
Example: 38.94 TT to 7.788 TT or 1.266 EF to 253.2 PF
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I transposed the tiers, but the overall message is the same. 7.8~ Teratons is still 6-B which is what I was trying to say earlier.
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Yeah, but I mean, it would still be a downgrade, no? Being the same tier isn't an issue.
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I'm actually downgrading two of the fullbringers right now due to Gentei Kaijo and they're just going from High 6-A (2.2-4.4 Exatons) to High 6-A (443-887 Petatons)
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Yeah the downgrade itself is fine, I was just saying the tier would remain the same.
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Yeah i know the tier would remain the same,it was more so a statistics values change.
Thought it was worth bringing up since no one has mentioned it yet in this thread iirc.
Thought it was worth bringing up since no one has mentioned it yet in this thread iirc.
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I was checking out some sawfy raws and I came across this specific page, it basically shows the combined might of the piccaro (for those who don't know piccaro are a group of hollow children that are known to play around across realms) being able to create something that is likened a black hole and is implied to be one. I had it translated but I would appreciate if any person fluent on Japanese can share their opinion on the text.
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Yes, it's true that it created a black hole. But it's probably just listed as hax. It's not a black hole big enough to give it an ap scale.
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What are you talking about? It was created from their spiritual pressure and was giving soya problems. It is fair enough to conclude that is an AP scale not hax like what even makes this hax.
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Are we listing everything done with spiritual pressure as AP? Even if that were the case, what I'm saying is, we can't make characters 5-A through the black hole Picarros created. Or whatever tier is given for creating a black hole. In a possible profile, we would simply have added the Black Hole Creation hax.
I recall that when Soya used it against Azashiro, it wasn't to deal damage, but to draw him towards her.
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Afaik Spiritual Pressure is treated as a UES, so the more you have the more all your stats increase. Now it being likened to a Black Hole is not the same as it actually being one, additionally creating a Black Hole only scales to other stats if you can prove a similar or greater amount of energy was used in comparison.
For the feat, just from glancing at it, it seems like an unrealistic Black hole which wouldn't be an AP feat.
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No but we are listing any quantifiable energy transformed from another energy to be AP. That goes against the very definition of hax. This is saying Blanks creating the valley of screams isn't AP.
It wouldn't be 5A tbh but give me a valid reason why it wouldn't be valid.
Again you haven't explained why it's hax.
Soya is Azashiro lmao, bruh doesn't even know what he is talking about. The piccaro created the black hole unintentionally as a defense against soya and that started absorbing the resihi soya was merging with in the world of yhe living and stopped him from merging with it.
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it follows the black hole standards in this wiki and the fact that It is stated "it won't be surprising if it was called a black hole" is another indicator at the several evidences of it being one.
It took over 50 hollows to do it, Cien at 100 is more powerful than the all the piccaro and anyone who scales to cien should scale to it.
Reasons please.
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I'm not seeing it fold space-time or consuming all aspects of the environment. Eating Reishi in a limited area isn't enough for a Black Hole designation.
You'd still need to provide a UES scaling block for it. Being more powerful on its own isn't enough, its the use of relatively more energy for an attack.
I listed my reasons previously. Also 5-A Hollows is a very suspect rating, even for Arrancar tier people.
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The fact that the size of the black hole cannot be measured is reason enough.
There is already such a hax
English isn't my native language. I missed it while writing from Translate. The sentence came out like this because Translate interprets Soya and Azashiro as different people. My point: I remember Picaross using Soya against Azashiro.
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It did consume everything (Both reishi and Kishi) in the range the piccaro covered (basically the range they all covered with their numbers (how many isn't specified but we know they are 200 of them but not all were present). And the piccaro were actively restricting the AOE of black hole so as it wouldn't affect anything beyond their boundary that's why it didn't cause damage outside their coverage. The panel explains this but if you want to elaborate much further with earlier panels prior. It is implied to fold space time along with other blatant attributes of black holes so saying it isn't a black hole is you being in denial to be honest.
Why? They are hollows the feat in question was performed with energy which transformed into another quantifiable energy. This logic already conforms shows they themselves scale which would scaling point with the pre established UES in the series. The fact blanks feat of creating the memories of nobody applies means this would also apply.
Those are not good enough nor do they debunk it. Please
The feat in question isn't reaching 5A, from my interpretation of the area coverage it ranges from low 5B to 5B as the next panel implying it covered a decent portion around them. Also this would only scale to starkk wolves that scale above his physicals, cien, yammy and barragan respira that also scales above his physicals. So it wouldn't be outlier. When weaker characters that aren't even a challenge can spam high 6A attacks.
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It can be though, reasonable estimates can be made seeing as it covers a decent portion of the boundary surrounding it
literally everyone on that profile scales to their black holes lmfao. The only way a black hole doesn't scale is when it is created from an independent source that isn't dependent on your energy. This isn't the case here.
Okay no worries, I apologise If I sounded rude.
Huh? What do you mean?
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