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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Arc7Kuroi said:
Adam do you use Google translate (no mockery, genuine question)?
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Why do you think I would percieve that as mockery. I am more than capable of understanding the subject and cohererence with context and intention. That kinda sounded rude ( I know your intention wasn’t that) . Sorry I had to say that, since I think we need be clear.

Off course not. I always try to find scans already used on this wiki even if it's on some unaccepted thread used by trusted members. Cause I trust our bleach fandom, that they are not desparate to use mistranslation. But when I can't find accepted scans, I try my best to find official scans. If not, simply use the most alligned translation on the google.

Can you tell me where that come from? I am pretty sure I never used some weird translation.
 
Adam1396 said:
Why do you think I would percieve that as mockery. I am more than capable of understanding the subject and cohererence with context and intention. That kinda sounded rude ( I know your intention wasn’t that) . Sorry I had to say that, since I think we need be clear.

Off course not. I always try to find scans already used on this wiki even if it's on some unaccepted thread used by trusted members. Cause I trust our bleach fandom, that they are not desparate to use mistranslation. But when I can't find accepted scans, I try my best to find official scans. If not, simply use the most alligned translation on the google.

Can you tell me where that come from? I am pretty sure I never used some weird translation.
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I’m just asking a question brother. Like do you know a little bit of English yourself or use a translator 😭
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I’m just asking a question brother. Like do you know a little bit of English yourself or use a translator 😭
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Oh sorry.
I understand only Academic English.
I am not much familiar with cultural English, hence you would see sometimes even I fail to get jokes.
 
Westcoast5005 said:
Long time. Just got a question if anyone could give opinion. What faction/race has theoretically the highest potential between shinigami arrancar Quincy fullbrings
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They all have their own strong points.
1. Shinigami has powerful passives, NPI with reatsu, RE.
2. Hollows have similar things as shinigami but has passive soul corrosion+death manipulation, soul and mind absorption in addition which boost them.
3. Quincies have ee, soul absorption and generally poses more powerful hax.
4. Fullbringers can bend laws, power derives from emotion. They technically have less limitations compared to others.

And hollows are technically least potents if we consider overall combat capacity. (Off course within the verse)
 
Adam1396 said:
They all have their own strong points.
1. Shinigami has powerful passives, NPI with reatsu, RE.
2. Hollows have similar things as shinigami but has passive soul corrosion+death manipulation, soul and mind absorption in addition which boost them.
3. Quincies have ee, soul absorption and generally poses more powerful hax.
4. Fullbringers can bend laws, power derives from emotion. They technically have less limitations compared to others.

And hollows are technically least potents if we consider overall combat capacity. (Off course within the verse)
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Soul reapers have RE? Also wouldn’t hollows be the most potent considering they can absorb others?
 
Westcoast5005 said:
Alright to summarize Quincy most jazzed soul reaper highest potential and have RE
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It's hard to answer. Shinigamis have more haxed person. For instance senjumaru alone can take on entire quincy race if you exclude yhwach. If you include yhwach, he solos whole verse.
If we are going with just basic abilities than fullbringer due to less limitation, better way to amp and they can bend laws with their basic manipulations.

In short you simply cannot put any race ahead of others excluding hollows.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
I disagree with most of that. Jugram clearly says he couldn’t see the future when the poem ended, and Yhwach himself admitted that he lost his vision after talking to Ichibei. So the idea that he could still see the future without the Almighty doesn’t really make sense to me.

Even with Ichigo, he explicitly turned the Almighty off, he either sees the future or he doesn’t.

It makes much more sense that, in the distant past, Yhwach, similar to the old Soul King, glimpsed thousands of years into the future and used that knowledge to craft a very specific plan, timing everything perfectly to counter Ichibei and get the Almighty back, knowing already he how and where he would die.

This explain his plan and his confidence to attack S0 in that specific way to then go to the SK and align with Kubo's subtle writing more.
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Won't even cap didn't think of this

Nice explanation
 
Infinite9Luck said:
I disagree with most of that. Jugram clearly says he couldn’t see the future when the poem ended, and Yhwach himself admitted that he lost his vision after talking to Ichibei. So the idea that he could still see the future without the Almighty doesn’t really make sense to me.

Even with Ichigo, he explicitly turned the Almighty off, he either sees the future or he doesn’t.

It makes much more sense that, in the distant past, Yhwach, similar to the old Soul King, glimpsed thousands of years into the future and used that knowledge to craft a very specific plan, timing everything perfectly to counter Ichibei and get the Almighty back, knowing already he how and where he would die.

This explain his plan and his confidence to attack S0 in that specific way to then go to the SK and align with Kubo's subtle writing more.
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For Yhwach to make a plan to get Almighty back he has to first "see" it getting sealed which he cannot due to involvement of Pernida, as shown both Pernida and Mimihagi are immune to his power and therefore any timeline including these two as a factor cannot be "seen" through Yhwach's eyes.

So him saying "he can see this far with his eyes closed" is either metaphorical as in he can predict that or he can literally see snippet of future even with his eyes closed.
 
WheelSome said:
For Yhwach to make a plan to get Almighty back he has to first "see" it getting sealed which he cannot due to involvement of Pernida, as shown both Pernida and Mimihagi are immune to his power and therefore any timeline including these two as a factor cannot be "seen" through Yhwach's eyes.

So him saying "he can see this far with his eyes closed" is either metaphorical as in he can predict that or he can literally see snippet of future even with his eyes closed.
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Everything came true perfectly. 999 poem, even ichibei's death 3 steps short.
Precog seems most reasonable rather than prediction.
 
WheelSome said:
For Yhwach to make a plan to get Almighty back he has to first "see" it getting sealed which he cannot due to involvement of Pernida, as shown both Pernida and Mimihagi are immune to his power and therefore any timeline including these two as a factor cannot be "seen" through Yhwach's eyes.

So him saying "he can see this far with his eyes closed" is either metaphorical as in he can predict that or he can literally see snippet of future even with his eyes closed.
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That's not how Almighty works, you heavily misunderstood it, if the whole timeline vision will be blocked by either Pernida or Mimihagi, just the existence of Pernida itself will make it never work. Yhwach simply cannot see them as interference or object, however it can still see things not related to them or the future as well.

I agree that “he can see this far with his eyes closed” is just metaphorical, especially since he said it the very moment he regained the Almighty, and never at any point before that.

There’s also a small detail that might offer some insight into this debate, the number of pupils in his eyes changes from 2 in the past to 3 against Ichibei. That was probably intentional. If Kubo ever provides clarification on that, it could help resolve this discussion.

My Idea is that Yhwach couldn't change the future in the past.
 
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Arc7Kuroi said:
You used the wrong 6-B value. Uryu is like ~39 teratons not ~8. Also your citations aren’t consistent, one is statistics values the other is notes
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I copied Gantenbainne Mosqueda's profile and wrote it over it, so it was wrong. By the way, I didn't understand the quote part. I normally write the note part with a different command, is that why I couldn't solve the problem?
 
Infinite9Luck said:
That's not how Almighty works, you heavily misunderstood it, if the whole timeline vision will be blocked by either Pernida or Mimihagi, just the existence of Pernida itself will make it never work. Yhwach simply cannot see them as interference or object, however it can still see things not related to them or the future as well.

I agree that “he can see this far with his eyes closed” is just metaphorical, especially since he said it the very moment he regained the Almighty, and never at any point before that.

There’s also a small detail that might offer some insight into this debate, the number of pupils in his eyes changes from 2 in the past to 3 against Ichibei. That was probably intentional. If Kubo ever provides clarification on that, it could help resolve this discussion.

My Idea is that Yhwach couldn't change the future in the past.
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You didn’t get his point. He had no chance of knowing his eyes will be sealed since it directly invloves pernida.

There's no reason to assume it's metaohor. It became quite a funny excuse atp.

Well you need a lot of assumptions for that. And I doubt kubo would provide any details on this.
But I do agree it's implied each pupil imduces new ability.

For example:
1. Can see linear future with ome pupil.
2. Can see nonlinear futures, possibilities with double pupil.
3. Can powernull, alter future with 3 pupil.

You are saying pupil addition adds abilities while denying one pupil won't grant him any ability related to this is simply contradictory. Furthermore you have dismiss literal statement with "metaohor" excuse as well.
 
Adam1396 said:
For example:
1. Can see linear future with ome pupil.
2. Can see nonlinear futures, possibilities with double pupil.
3. Can powernull, alter future with 3 pupil.
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Didn't Yhwach already powernulled Ichibe's ink and give his explanation about Almighty powernull while only having 2 pupils ? And in the anime he was already changing the future with 2 as well irrc. He only gain the third one right before one shotting Ichibe
 
Naeblis495 said:
Didn't Yhwach already powernulled Ichibe's ink and give his explanation about Almighty powernull while only having 2 pupils ? And in the anime he was already changing the future with 2 as well irrc. He only gain the third one right before one shotting Ichibe
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Yeah, I missed that. Powernull should be with 2 pupil.
3 pupil alters future
 
SuperSonicTL said:
The matter of fact is we still don't know how it works soo it wouldn't be wise to label it like that.

All we can really do is wait and see if other sources provide some new info over its nature.
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Specterxxxx said:
You realise this is headcanon right? There is no concrete evidence on the difference between 3 and 2 pupil.
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Not entirely head canon.

1. He states he could see this far with 1 pupil, implying 1 pupil provides precog.

2. When his 2 pupil appears, it's stated he can see all futures, and powernull.

3. Now he did both of this. killed ichibei which implied he rewrote reality. Why would his another pupil needs to appear? Obviously shows he needs 3 pupil to do that. Can't do that with 2 pupil.
 
Adam1396 said:
You didn’t get his point. He had no chance of knowing his eyes will be sealed since it directly invloves pernida.

There's no reason to assume it's metaohor. It became quite a funny excuse atp.

Well you need a lot of assumptions for that. And I doubt kubo would provide any details on this.
But I do agree it's implied each pupil imduces new ability.

For example:
1. Can see linear future with ome pupil.
2. Can see nonlinear futures, possibilities with double pupil.
3. Can powernull, alter future with 3 pupil.

You are saying pupil addition adds abilities while denying one pupil won't grant him any ability related to this is simply contradictory. Furthermore you have dismiss literal statement with "metaohor" excuse as well.
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I agree with this.
Adam1396 said:
Yeah, I missed that. Powernull should be with 2 pupil.
3 pupil alters future
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Let me support your first take, I don't think Yhwach can power null with 2 pupil Almighty, also power null isn't a passive ability imo, because, Yhwach was unable to powernull the Black Mausoleum with just 2 pupil. So when Yhwach said "any power he know cannot affect him" it simply means he can "see & alter the future" thus rendering anything useless, basically powernull but by active application of his power which comes from 3 pupil Almighty.

As for the point of Yhwach nulling Ichibei's bankai, I don't think it was due to the 2 pupil Almighty passive power null. Ichibei's power has a weakness as implied/shown on multiple occasion that is "power restoration".

1st Instance - Ichibei cut Yhwach arm & name in half - Yhwach regained it by restoring his power through aushwahlen.
2nd Instance - Ichibei renamed Ikomikidomoe's true name - He regained his true name by "restoring his power" after absorbing reiatsu from SK piece and the surrounding.
3rd Instance - Ichibei renamed Yhwach - Yhwach regained his true name by "restoration of power", he gained power from 2 things - 1st his 9 years strength returned, 2nd activation of the Almighty amped up his reiatsu thus cancelling the Ichimonji similar to what Iko did in Cfyow.
 
Yhwach literally explain how the almighty powernull work and he only have two pupils then. He also rewrite the future against Ichibe to dodge his attacks while only having 2 pupils in the anime.
 
Theories will always remain theories. We don't know how it function soo there is no point arguing over it whatsoever.
 
WheelSome said:
I agree with this.

Let me support your first take, I don't think Yhwach can power null with 2 pupil Almighty, also power null isn't a passive ability imo, because, Yhwach was unable to powernull the Black Mausoleum with just 2 pupil. So when Yhwach said "any power he know cannot affect him" it simply means he can "see & alter the future" thus rendering anything useless, basically powernull but by active application of his power which comes from 3 pupil Almighty.

As for the point of Yhwach nulling Ichibei's bankai, I don't think it was due to the 2 pupil Almighty passive power null. Ichibei's power has a weakness as implied/shown on multiple occasion that is "power restoration".

1st Instance - Ichibei cut Yhwach arm & name in half - Yhwach regained it by restoring his power through aushwahlen.
2nd Instance - Ichibei renamed Ikomikidomoe's true name - He regained his true name by "restoring his power" after absorbing reiatsu from SK piece and the surrounding.
3rd Instance - Ichibei renamed Yhwach - Yhwach regained his true name by "restoration of power", he gained power from 2 things - 1st his 9 years strength returned, 2nd activation of the Almighty amped up his reiatsu thus cancelling the Ichimonji similar to what Iko did in Cfyow.
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If it was a power thing, ichibei wouldn’t succeed in naming ikomokodome in the first place. It has more to do with soul king essence. And his zankpakuto not having reatsu makes it more clear.
For example: he should be able to rename zaraki just fine.

Restoration power? He literally has name manipulation instead of amp or however we list it here.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
It isn’t a loop. Go read Yamamoto and Yhwach and Kenpachi’s profiles
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Yes, it is Aizen, Urahara, and Quilge. I’ve checked their profiles, but they don’t seem to link to any clear sources for the scaling. I feel like I shouldn’t need to ask here just to understand it—ideally, the profiles themselves would make that information accessible without having to be pointed elsewhere.
 
By the way, everyone! 😊 I’m looking for a talented webtoon artist I can commission to help bring my dark sci-fi fantasy book series to life as a webtoon. If anyone knows someone reliable with a strong style that fits darker, cinematic storytelling, I’d really appreciate any recommendations!
 
Finally this month old CRT got approved

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Bleach: The Miracle minor stuff

1. Gerard should have a more elaborated explaination for the weakness of his mid godly regen as it's confirmed by Kubo that destroying his cross would result his death https://www.fanverse.org/threads/klub-outside-kubo-answers-translations.1239498/ Q475: Gerard's Schrift, "M - The Miracle"...
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Johner2133451 said:
Finally this month old CRT got approved

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Bleach: The Miracle minor stuff

1. Gerard should have a more elaborated explaination for the weakness of his mid godly regen as it's confirmed by Kubo that destroying his cross would result his death https://www.fanverse.org/threads/klub-outside-kubo-answers-translations.1239498/ Q475: Gerard's Schrift, "M - The Miracle"...
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Just made a CRT to fix some thing in @Johner2133451 's thread

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Gerard Minor revision

In this thread gerard's cross inside his head has been accepted as weakness. https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleach-the-miracle-minor-stuff.178962/#post-7110825 Now some core things has been ignored while adding the weakness. 1. Interpretation of kubo's answer. 2. Ignoring feats. Kubo's...
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AppleLord said:
Yes, it is Aizen, Urahara, and Quilge. I’ve checked their profiles, but they don’t seem to link to any clear sources for the scaling. I feel like I shouldn’t need to ask here just to understand it—ideally, the profiles themselves would make that information accessible without having to be pointed elsewhere.
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Gremmy -> Yamamoto -> Aizen -> Urahara -> Quilge… it’s on Aizen’s profile brother cheese 😭
 
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