BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Adam1396]

do you have context for that

Like what?
I'm talking about ichibei feat who can summon darkness from soul society's future century.

While yhwach can attack alternative realities as well.

Senjumaru's reatsu travel across different timeline.

I'm asking which of these 3 feats qualify for immeasurable speed??

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Like what?
I'm talking about ichibei feat who can summon darkness from soul society's future century.

While yhwach can attack alternative realities as well.

Senjumaru's reatsu travel across different timeline.

I'm asking which of these 3 feats qualify for immeasurable speed??

First two definetly do, its quite clear that their attacks can move forward in time and attack people there.
Senjumaru is more of a range feat since it affects entire bleach cosmology which even ichigo and aizen have on their profiles too so im not 100% sure abt her.

 

[Adam1396]

@Arc7Kuroi @Deceived3596 @Hellscream Can you guys give your input about this?

Since nobody scales to these speed, I think it should be ok to make a thread about this

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Idk about that

 

[Adam1396]

Idk about that

Who among in the bleach community is best in speed section?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Imo it’s a cool concept at the very least can’t speak of applicability tho

 

[Adam1396]

Imo it’s a cool concept at the very least can’t speak of applicability tho

Off course both are applicable.

One is a darkness speed, another one is attacking speed. Both combat applicable like most other bleach hax

 

[Hellscream]

I don't think ichibei's is applicable combat wise, but Yhwach definetly has immeasurable speed with the almighty

 

[Adam1396]

I don't think ichibei's is applicable combat wise, but Yhwach definetly has immeasurable speed with the almighty

It should qualify for attack speed since he uses darkness to attack.

 

[Hellscream]

It should qualify for attack speed since he uses darkness to attack.

It's just darkness he pulls from the future, in order to use in the present for his attack it's not really applicable to his combat speed

 

[Adam1396]

It's just darkness he pulls from the future, in order to use in the present for his attack it's not really applicable to his combat speed

He literally throws his darkness to his opponent. He needed to pull it to build tomb. Otherwise he wouldn’t make it.

Albeit not movement speed, his darkness moving speed, which he uses to attack

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You probably wanna consult some hax experts too, cuz we don’t award immeasurable speed to certain haxes, even if mechanically they’re similar. Hence why Yhwach doesn’t have immeasurable attack speed with the Almighty.

 

[GinDan]

Gremmy probably one shots every gotei captain including zaraki

hum nah Anyone in the Gotei can kill Gremmy. Watch the fight again Zaraki motivates Gremmy; otherwise, he would get speed-blitzed. Zaraki almost killed him and had a hard time stopping. Gremmy is weaker than you think.

 

[Crobatman44]

Gremmy thinks he's a chud and i believe him.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

"I can't imagine myself winning " - Gremmy to Chad

 

[Hellscream]

You probably wanna consult some hax experts too, cuz we don’t award immeasurable speed to certain haxes, even if mechanically they’re similar. Hence why Yhwach doesn’t have immeasurable attack speed with the Almighty.

This depends on the hax, and whether it actually affects their speed / combat speed, which in Yhwach's case it does

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

This depends on the hax, and whether it actually affects their speed / combat speed, which in Yhwach's case it does

Yeah idrc, I'm neutral on whether or not vsbw is right about Yhwach here, I'd have to review our standards to actually comment. But I'd recommend consulting someone knowledgeable on how we handle fate haxes as they relate to speed, rather than just take an opinion you get in Bleach general at face value.

 

[AppleLord]

At this point…. I believe this was Yhwach’s plan all along!! For all we know he was making sure Uryu had a boost in power for what was to come from hell…

 

[Tyri456]

I find still very crazy the fact the anime decided to drop randomly that quote about the balance of souls
Like that quote alone can shut down dozens of thread and debates that went down for years
People are still coping so much

 

[AppleLord]

I find still very crazy the fact the anime decided to drop randomly that quote about the balance of souls
Like that quote alone can shut down dozens of thread and debates that went down for years
People are still coping so much

Is almost like some of the staff working in the anime were involved in some discussions online for years gathering data. Almost like they were Bleach fans themselves. Is called passion.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

More like that's just what Kubo intended from the start, and if you can read above an elem grade level you understand that. And the anime staff aren't powerscalers with intellect debuff hate boners

 

[Adam1396]

I think there's some misconception circulating about fate manipulation. I have 2 question!
1. Why should fate be time defendant when it can theocratically exist in a timeless world
2. Does predating the world/laws of the world grant acasuality type 4 and resistance?

 

[AppleLord]

Kubo said in Klub Kubo that the new exclusive content for the anime was not intended from the start. It wasn’t meant to be in the manga. It was meant to fill in run time.

 

[Johner2133451]

Btw, why does As Nodt's fear manip is specified to have 3 layers while it's just soul physiology (baseline) < Byakuya (1 Layer) < Rukia (2 Layer)? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/As_Nodt

Like this profile for an example that if it's layered, it's specified as 1 layer and not 2 https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Swan_(Honkai:_Star_Rail)

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Because Byakuya resists fear manip so making it work on him is 1 layer. Rukia resists the fear manip that Byakuya couldn’t, but then As Nodt amps his fear and it works on Rukia, that’s layer 2

 

[Tyri456]

for everyone, just tell me who u guys think wins:
(All End of TYBWA)

Byakuya vs Tokinada
Shunsui vs Yoruichi
Rukia vs Kid Toshiro
TYBWA zaraki shikai vs Bankai Yama
Shunsui vs Shinji
Kid Toshiro vs Kensei
Tokinada vs Yoruichi

 

[Johner2133451]

Because Byakuya resists fear manip so making it work on him is 1 layer. Rukia resists the fear manip that Byakuya couldn’t, but then As Nodt amps his fear and it works on Rukia, that’s layer 2

I know but my question is, why does As Nodt have his layers specified as 3 instead of 2?

 

[Bastolan27]

I know but my question is, why does As Nodt have his layers specified as 3 instead of 2?

Works on Byakuya (1), Doesn't work on Rukia (2), works on Rukia (3). I think IDK.

 

[Johner2133451]

Works on Byakuya (1), Doesn't work on Rukia (2), works on Rukia (3). I think IDK.

I checked the original CRT and there was no mentioned on the Rukia (3)

Thread 'Bleach: TYBW revisions (part 3)'

Feb 28, 2024

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Fearhax additions

Nodt's fear manipulation must be an improved fear manip because it acts on the nerves, not just the mind.

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'''Layering''' is the ability to break through resistances to one's ability/hax. Successfully using an ability against a resistant character means that the ability is "layered." Further, resisting a layered ability is an indication of layered resistance, so on and so forth. An ability becoming stronger does not...

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[AppleLord]

Grimmjow has resistance to book of the end past manipulation in CFYOW!?

 

[Excellence616]

Grimmjow has resistance to book of the end past manipulation in CFYOW!?

scans?

 

[Deceived3596]

If I'm correct in assuming the scan he's referencing, Grimmjow doesn't resist Book of The End in any applicable way that would grant him a Resistance to it. It's more so implied to be a weakness of BOTE's Memory Manipulation being practically useless against those who don't care if you're friend or foe, they will still kill you. Since Grimmjow doesn't care about having an allegiance with you, Tsukishima transforming the perception of that allegiance was insufficient in stopping Grimmjow from attacking him.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

This also happened with Byakuya in the main series, people with specific personalities are just as easily affected as everyone else, but Tsukishima gains less of an advantage due to the fact that they're still willing to kill you. Using Book of the End on Zaraki, Grimmjow and/or Mayuri will get him the same technique knowledge, skill, super close relationship (uncle Tsukishima), etc. However, if you think about it for just a moment, do you think any of the above characters would stop attacking Tsukishima just because of that? Like how Chad who started fighting his best friend Ichigo for Tsukishima while Byakuya went for the kill on Tsukishima because he was Ichigo's enemy.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

We need to kill Kubo's editor dawg...

Cause wtf? You're telling me we could have had this?!

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Get me this editor's address

 

[SlendVeny]

We need to kill Kubo's editor dawg...

Cause wtf? You're telling me we could have had this?!

Imagine Orihime in the middle of a fight and huge-ass wings unfurl out behind her

 

[AppleLord]

If I'm correct in assuming the scan he's referencing, Grimmjow doesn't resist Book of The End in any applicable way that would grant him a Resistance to it. It's more so implied to be a weakness of BOTE's Memory Manipulation being practically useless against those who don't care if you're friend or foe, they will still kill you. Since Grimmjow doesn't care about having an allegiance with you, Tsukishima transforming the perception of that allegiance was insufficient in stopping Grimmjow from attacking him.

I thought Tsukishima said something about Grimmjows “animal instinct” keeps away from being affected.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Imagine Orihime in the middle of a fight and huge-ass wings unfurl out behind her

We could have had PEAK dawg!

 

[AppleLord]

What if Yhwach’s remnants 10 years later is not Yhwach trying to come back?

But Kazui using his powers to open a portal to Soul Society through? Which later Kubo retcon the eyes to look like flying eye balls in the hell chapter and the portal to look different from Yhwach’s own power? Kubo could had changed the designed look.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I'm interested to see why Mr. Tommo thinks it's such a great scene.