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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Arcker123
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Both are kind of true though, it probably should be focused on
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Almighty still argued as some world creation hax despite the raws saying it wasn’t a part of the prime reio’s feat.
Now Maybe it took Soul King a billion years to make the worlds.
Now Maybe it took Soul King a billion years to make the worlds.
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Best to just leave it at that. I just feel bad for IMade and Arc wasting their time.
Ovy7
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The statement that was literally called a lie on the very page of the novel it was made, it's the evidence?
I also don't get the reliance on The Almighty when Arc literally proved that the novels don't mention the Almighty as being what created the worlds in the first place, or what sustains them, not even what it would destroy them.
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I'm so sorry for Arc rn. The dude went out of his way to buy the raw novels, find the passage, translate, and broke down for anyone to understand what it says, only for it to be completely ignored. . .
Arcker123
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Imade brought up the fact it was a lie, but it they are saying he called it irrelevant
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Energy used to perform every feat within the verse doesn’t matter. Nor does any other statement.
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And other people have brought up that it is not a fact that it is a lie. Get over it.
Ovy7
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What IMade said that was irrelevant is the Quincies affecting the flow of souls. Hell, Duedate's comment is also about this exact same thing. But AKM's comment isn't about this, but about SK controlling the flow of souls.
I hope I don't need to explain what's wrong here.
Arcker123
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my mistake
Ovy7
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It's not your mistake, because said comment was literally made to sound like this, even tho in reality this wasn't the case. You can go in the thread and see what Duedate and IMade talked about, and see that it's the Quincies thing, not the statement from the novels about SK controlling the universal flow of souls.
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I did warn him this is how things usually go down unfortunately.
Ovy7
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The fan translation of CFYOW Vol 3 say Almighty, but as Arc demonstrated in his final response, the raw text doesn't have The Almighty in it, just an adjective for almighty/omnipotent power.
Arcker123
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Oh, something that can be debunked by reading arc's post....
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Few hours ago yeah.
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Yeah one of the few people who actually cared about making decent Bleach profiles is now banned. Great. Time to downgrade the entire verse to Tier 11. Might as well put all the pages in Jokes Battles or OC Battles instead since only the fanfiction of the clearly unbiased Mods is allowed for use anyway
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Gonna respond here since no more comments are to be made on the downgrade thread. (This particular comment shouldn't have been made as it gives the opposing side an extra argument now.)
This is inherently false and we're shown that in the Manga. The Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are both shown with extreme amounts of earthquakes, only The World of the Living received a small earthquake in comparison to the others. Also Yhwach clearly wasn't going to "blow it up" why would he want to destroy something he just wants to merge? You can merge something if it's gone if you destroyed it. Not to mention Mimihagi's entire existence should also disqualify any notion of the timeframe being that slow. Chapter 614 is where Reio is killed and we see immediate effects ranging from the Soul Society to The World of The Living. We know these characters were in the middle of a war as well, so why on earth would literally everyone be flipping out if the timeframe for the destruction was actually that long as it's being made out to be? No, everything else implies that the destruction of the Realms would be a quick process.
So Dimensional tremors are now only planet's?
The Mechanism involved has nothing to do with Hax, nor does it have to do with the Soul Cycle. The Soul Cycle is just a natural occurring phenomenon, Rei-O has nothing to do with the Soul Cycle. The timeframe has a maximum of a few minutes, and the stabilization is done via Reitasu (which scales to the combatants physical stats.)
False comparision to the greatest degree, a singularly tiny screw would never make a bridge collapse by itself, first and foremost. Secondly in the comparison of that and Rei-o's stability feat falls flat because unlike the Bridge analogy (which is wrong.) we know for a fact the timeframe can't be any longer than a few minutes, given what he stabilizes and how he does it (Reiatsu.) an incapacitated Yhwach was maintaining the Realms passively with only a small amount of his Reiatsu, and most of it was sealed off. He had no access to The Almighty yet he can still maintain the realms.
No he didn't, that's either you lying or that you didn't read his arguments at all. His argument was that the Soul Cycle quote from the Novel was a lie, as it was stated to be just that. A lie, nothing more and nothing less. Yhwach highlighting the Konpaku is irrelevant, as we're shown and given statements about how Stabilization works (Reiatsu, again Ichigo doesn't have an Almighty nor can he manipulate the cycle of Souls yet he can maintain the realms himself. A incapacitated Yhwach while under several seals and without the usage of the Almighty is still able to maintain them as well.)
This again is false, The Almighty isn't just Fate hax and precog. The Almighty has shown the ability to utilize AP before, such as him blowing Ichibei into bits and him lifting the Quincy City with it. And unless we wanna suggest that there's just infinite futures in Bleach where Ichibei blows up for no good reason and random masses of land magically floating then this point is also moot.
But it does also indeed prove that theres a level of Attack Potency to it, which is something you can't deny. A certain amount of strength is required for Yhwach to even use the Almighty, and even with that The Almighty can't make the impossible happen, all it does is it allows Yhwach to change any fate he sees in his future, his actions in the future need to be physically possible for him to actually Alter it. Otherwise I'm perfectly fine with upgrading The Almighty to Infinite futures and outright creation.
Because they need to be physically capable of doing what they do in the future. For example, Yhwach can't just make a future where he fights someone like Reinhard and win, because it's not possible for Yhwach to do by any means. If the Almighty was just hax based then Yhwach would have merged the Relams instantly upon obtaining it after his fight with Ichibei.
Let me stop you right there, because the Almighty was never used for Rei-o's creation feat. He used almighty power, not as in his ability The Almighty. RAW's make this very clear so I'm not sure why it's even being brought up? And the creation was done the second the statement was made, there's nothing to argue against the timeframe. You clearly didn't read Arc's doc if you think this.
We do, Reio and Yhwach maintain the Three Realms (not done via souls either.)
Going by the manga, a few minutes. Going for Reio's creation feat, it was done right then and there.
We actually do, it's done via Reitasu (A dead Yhwach, Ginjo and Ichigo lack any sort of Almighty and or manipulation over the Soul Cycle to keep the balance, it's due to their large amounts of Reiatsu that allows for stability of the Realms.)
Again this is false and it's because you have a lack of understanding of the verse in question. The Almighty was never used for any of the feats, nor was this ever stated. Give me citation that says stabilization is done by THE Almighty, wait they don't exist.
This is literally just a repeat of your timeframe argument but worded differently. The universal destruction would take place in a few minutes, Beerus and Champa didn't destroy their universe in the first clash for example but I dont care much for Dragon Ball. Point being that is you greatly blew up just how long the timeframe here is.
I agree with the most part with such a statement but this is an issue regarding the tiering system itself rather than people going for the highest interpretation. It's a system like ours that allows for such a concept.
Read the first half of this argument, Rei-o did not use The Almighty to create the Realms. This is an example of blatant regurgitated misinformation due to a inherent lack of understanding.
That enegry was his Reiatsu, which is what is used to scale a character physical stats in the verse.
Are you seriously saying that? You know the verses enegry system that makes them scale physically? It's absolutely related, you just aren't knowledgeable enough regarding Bleach's verse mechanics (not a rude comment either, it's a general observation that most agree with.) for future reference, don't dismiss key arguments as unrelated simply because you failed to understand why it was brought up. Anyway I'm done with this, not gonna address the rest of your argument since it's clear you didn't read the doc, and it's also abundantly clear that you can't grasp the mechanics of the verse.
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So, shouldn't there be a rule, which says that only knowledgeable members should be allowed to participate in those kind of threads? Just because you're a mod does not mean you're knowledgeable on every verse/every subject.
I mean, without such rule I don't know what this fuss is all about. They'll do whatever they've planned for the verse. Case closed.
I mean, without such rule I don't know what this fuss is all about. They'll do whatever they've planned for the verse. Case closed.
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Why? So he doesn’t reply to the thread anymore? Or did he wrote some comment that was deleted?
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And for the record, I'm not scared of calling out the staff members here on inherent bull-shit subjects. They'll threaten me with a ban or a warning or whatever, but the evidence is there. They've quite literally ignored or simply skimmed through Arc's doc (which is genuinely sickening, as he spent extensive time writing it. As much as I dislike the opposing side I still read their arguments as opposed to ignoring them.)
Oh also back in my day banning a user who you were currently in the middle of a debate with was seen as the ultimate act of cowardice.
Oh also back in my day banning a user who you were currently in the middle of a debate with was seen as the ultimate act of cowardice.
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Things don't work like that here, whatever the staff wants, it happens. it does not matter whether they are knowledgeable or honest, it is enough if they are unanimous, they determine the wrong right
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What is even the point of trying to argue at this point if the "reasonable" mods clearly have already made up their minds before they even made the thread. At this point it is like trying to explain logic to a brick wall.
This pathetic excuse of a debate is just happening to make the thread seem "fair" (even thought it clearly isn't since only a few users, mostly mods are allowed to comment)
This pathetic excuse of a debate is just happening to make the thread seem "fair" (even thought it clearly isn't since only a few users, mostly mods are allowed to comment)
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Nobody cares. Arc7 was reported weeks ago and was allowed to remain here for as long as he did because he had arguments to make on the CRT. The argument phase of the CRT is over, so there was no reason to delay his punishment.
Trying to portray this as banning Arc7 because of being in a debate with him is ignorance.
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we are now trying to prove that an apple is an apple. But the people on the other side say it is a plastic ball and even if we present 1000 arguments that it is an apple, they say no, it is not an apple, why do we tire ourselves in vain?
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Just ignore it, worse comes to worse they'll downgrade Bleach to 6-A and they'll loose credibility.
At the end of the day the knowledgeable fans of the verse know what arguments were objectively right.
Also brb gonna downgrade that stupid ******* Lama from Pokemon since he got yeeted by a meteorite or the time he got zapped by a ******* electric rat. That's not an anti feat, nor is it a case of PIS, but an arrow that was made to be a weakness, fired by a character with an ability to counter Yhwach's Almighty now counts as a solid anti feat.
At the end of the day the knowledgeable fans of the verse know what arguments were objectively right.
Also brb gonna downgrade that stupid ******* Lama from Pokemon since he got yeeted by a meteorite or the time he got zapped by a ******* electric rat. That's not an anti feat, nor is it a case of PIS, but an arrow that was made to be a weakness, fired by a character with an ability to counter Yhwach's Almighty now counts as a solid anti feat.
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We're not allowing trolling on here. Your post on the staff-only thread which is nothing but a troll is bad enough. Keeping it up will get you reported.
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He wrote some insulting shit apparently. I only saw one of them, though.
Still, as much as I love this wiki, but I feel like my respect for it has tanked quite ******* alot. All this nuisance and arc writing a ******* religion of his own, all of it was for nothing it seems. At least let him stay until the downgrade thread FULLY finishes. Not just "oh he gave his argument, fetus delete him."
I'm genuinely sad for Arc.
