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Yeah they’re still in effect If you check the baseline for 3-A
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Nice, I remember talking to Sigurd about it and telling him how dumb how the numbers get due to the reveal of the number of souls in a Menos Grande and the amount of Menos Grande in Vasto Lorde. It reaches high ass numbers.
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Million to billion for the top tiers i imagine then there is also the fact that everything has a soul on bleach
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The thread finished, fantastic.
What are the conclusions?
What are the conclusions?
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3-A, possibly low 2-C (might be changed to Likely)
Mimihagi doesn't scale as what it did was agreed to be hax and not through raw power
weakened soul king is baseline 3-A, everyone else scales above that to unknown amounts
Aizen scales
that's pretty much everything I gathered from it
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Considering that EGD doesn't have Acausality, Power Nullification or Fate Manipulation Resistance, or Higher-Dimensional Existence, or even Soul Manipulation Resistance just a vague barrier that can defend against Spiritual attacks. Yes, it's very easy to believe that it could beat even before the "3-A, possibly Low 2-C" upgrade.
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Whatever happened to 2-C? And where did 3-A come from?
Also, why would it be baseline? It's at least 3 universes.
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They decided to compromise apparently.
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mostly cus of matt so we basically had to reach a compromise
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I mean, even if you don't want to argue that the feat affects the space-time of three worlds, it's still affecting the three worlds.
So baseline just seems like an objectively wrong take.
So baseline just seems like an objectively wrong take.
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I don't think it is baseline
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From what I can tell it held the collapse back by holding the Soul Kings corpse together, so I don't think it would get anything Universal, as that was just an aftereffect of whats doesn't seem to be a Universal in range feat.
As for Stagnation, I think it might be Biological Manipulation based on its feats of extending Ukitake and Soul King's life, as well as the powers of its other half be classified and working as Biological Manipulation.
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i think mimihagi is just gonna get its feat via concept hax for governing stagnation
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I would agree if not for the fact that the Soul King was already dead at that point, so it doesn't seem possible to me that Mimihagi just stagnated the Soul King and thus prevented the collapse, rather, Mimihagi stagnating the collapse through the Soul King itself seems most likely.
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Btw what type on conceptual manipulation would governing over stagnation give?
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I don't remember that, it's stated multiple times both before and during Mimihagi's appearance that the SK is already dead, Mimihagi can't reverse events, he just halts them.
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None, it used to have Type 3, but that was downgraded because it wasn't actually Conceptual Manipulation. Simply being stated to govern over something isn't Conceptual Manipulation, it's more likely its stagnation is Biological Manipulation instead based off feats.
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i mean with the new upgrades it was agreed that it was done via conceptual hax
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Where? Based off what I read people agreed it was Hax, but no one, besides one or two fans talking about governing Stagnation and adding it an extra Concept part to the explanation, mentioned it was Conceptual. Though IF it was agreed, then based off a lack of any actual explanation it would just be Type 3.
Type 1 is out for obvious reasons, Type 4 is for a very specific type of Concept that works on the perception of others, definitely not Bleach's type, and Type 2 requires quite a bit of evidence to show it doesn't just govern reality but exists above and beyond reality, evidence which all of Bleach's Concepts lack.
Type 1 is out for obvious reasons, Type 4 is for a very specific type of Concept that works on the perception of others, definitely not Bleach's type, and Type 2 requires quite a bit of evidence to show it doesn't just govern reality but exists above and beyond reality, evidence which all of Bleach's Concepts lack.
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What metas do we have for Bleach Speed scaling?
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Well this wiki adheres to Gin Mach 500 meta.
There’s the Negacion is lightspeed meta.
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And the general Bleach Speed metas are what?
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On this website? We scale off of three things: Orihime's Mach 7.41 calc, Gin's Mach 500
Other metas include Cero being lightspeed since it is spiritual light (kishi and reishi functioning the same except one is ghost), leading to FTL-FTL+ SS characters, MFTL-MFTL+ by Arrancar arc and onward.
Negacion being lightspeed, leads to sub-rel to relativistic SS characters, FTL-FTL+ by the Arrancar arc, and MFTL-MFTL+ by the TYBW.
Another meta I don't see as much is the Hikone = lightspeed meta, because he moves so fast time appears to stop (which is what happens in physics when objects of mass move at light or nigh light speeds). Funny enough this might be the most blatant lightspeed feat in all fiction I've heard of, as it's the only time I've seen a character actually display the repercussions of moving at light speed with mass.
There's also a lightspeed TYBW meta, since you have the Auswahlen LIGHT, Lille is made up of LIGHT, Renji dodges Mask's LIGHT, Quincy arrows (like Uryu's) are described as LIGHT, Uryu's arrow blitzes sunLIGHT.
I can't think of any other metas for Bleach speed.
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Oh, cool
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The dumbest shit, man.
Anyway, I prefer Negacion scaling since it's seemingly consistent with Aaronaerio's speed feat. And then also consistent with fodder characters like Nanao dodging Lille's light in the TYBW Arc as well. Makes the most sense to me.
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It does the thing is getting them to accept it (spoiler alert they wont)
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I personally scale using the Negacion meta too.
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That's every fiction with FTL characters that talk to each other while fighting.
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Oh threads done? 
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A Bleach Warriors type of game like Hyrule or One Piece would be cool
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Bleach manga always had that possibility of them being that strong, I didnt even write on the thread for this, dunno why people are salty on it, that is because of preconception about how strong a shonen manga should be. People will complain but they are not able to debunk it because a possibility will always exits.
