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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Genjutsu has worked on a ton of different things with varied physiology but most are Organic or spiritual in nature, depending on verse equalization and stuff Genjutsu shouldnt work on Inorganic beings unless there's some mental mind shenanigans thats tied to the power system that can be interacted with somehow, like how the Edo Tensei's souls and minds are tied to corpses. ( a good example of it not working on inorganic beings is when Sarada was unable to put someone under a genjutsu until it was revealed that they were a puppet, Sasori also coincidentally has some of the best resistance to Genjutsu via his databook stats) but thats only for internal genjutsu, external genjutsu that exists in physical world on surfaces and stuff idk, i cant really think of an example of how they would interact.
unless you count the anime, Itachi used genjutsu on mecha naruto
unless you count the anime, Itachi used genjutsu on mecha naruto
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This ain’t dropping for another 5 yearsDon't worry, my child. The wait is almost over.
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What's another 5 years.
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It's weird cause you have GJ working on Bijuu, insects like that Itachi novel and shit but can't work on a dude who has fake eyes. I would say it can't cause there's no eyes ocular-wise. Sound maybe.
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5 more years
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I always thought it would make sense for Ichigo's true Zanpakuto to have the ability to literally cut through fate which would give him the edge over Yhwach's future alteration powers.
Not saying that Ichigo's sword would be an instant-win but I picture it working that if Ichigo is about to be hit by an attack that will absolutely kill him, then he could swing his Zanpakuto and cut the attack apart - negating his fate. At first glance it would just look on the surface that Ichigo is deflecting and overpowering attacks like always but then Yhwach would realize that there is no way that Ichigo could be powerful enough to take his attacks head-on. What Ichigo is really doing is slicing not through the attack, but through the future that Yhwach creates for him.
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That would be so raw, especially if we watch Yhwach’s reaction when he discovers he could never win
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Destiny and Luck
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Luck is interesting, why
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You never come here
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Just new getsuga techniques with a natural ability to resist fate manipulation. Idk maybe like a getsuga vortex, or something like that
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I can’t wait for the Gran Rey Getsuga
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I can't wait until Ichigo pulls out the Domain Expansion Haki Reiatsu Sage Mode Enhanced Susanoo and oneshots Gol D. Rodger.
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Hyperborean comment
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Fate manipulation makes the most sense and what i would want is Fate Manipulation bcs it makes sense
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I miss feebass exe and apotheosis
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Ichigo should get physical attack manipulation (he can swing really hard)
Malekith
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Weren't all the events that happened to Ichigo a kind of luck? Also, Yhwach's speech when he fails to break the blade for the 2nd time, saying that Ichigo has impressive luck. It can be both things in fact, so-called luck is just a manifestation of destiny acting.
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So less of luck as pure probability and more so tying it back to fate?
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If you bring up that point it really is that, but I think of luck more as a manifestation of Ichigo's breaking of destiny, just an aspect of the future altered by his bankai
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Honestly yea
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He is the best Bleach debater
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it would be a
way for them to explain all the "cutting through fate" or "shattering fate" metaphorical statements they make, like at the end of chapter 0
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It will definitely be something in relation to him "cutting through fate". There are so many implications that it's insane. You have one of the first, major speeches given to us by Ichigo, about his desire to "have a sword strong enough to shatter fate itself", to protect those around him. He's battling the complete antithesis of this notion in the form of Yhwach. He's fighting someone who manipulates fate to cause carnage, destruction and despair to those Ichigo desires to protect, his world, his friends, his loved ones. All are threatened by this changing destiny. It wouldn't make sense for his sword, which is born and shaped by the emotions and ideals of himself, to not embody that desire of shattering fate to protect those dear.
It's such amazing writing by Kubo, I know he will tie all of this together in the anime.
To end with this quote by Ichigo as it just completely encapsulates his main character motive simply and beautifully.
""If fate is a milestone, then we are the grist. There is nothing we can do. So I wish for strength. If I cannot protect them from the wheel, then give me a strong blade, and enough strength... to shatter fate." "
It's such amazing writing by Kubo, I know he will tie all of this together in the anime.
To end with this quote by Ichigo as it just completely encapsulates his main character motive simply and beautifully.
""If fate is a milestone, then we are the grist. There is nothing we can do. So I wish for strength. If I cannot protect them from the wheel, then give me a strong blade, and enough strength... to shatter fate." "
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~ Ichigoat
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Bleach just has some amazing quotes and poems. Even the filler characters have some real gems.
"I want to tell you what my reason for living is, Yoshino. It's you. There's one thing I know for certain: a Bount's love is deep, as deep as the ocean. It knows no limits and continues to grow eternally. We have been given infinite life in which to experience infinite bliss" - Jin Kariya
"The gap felt by those who have been abandoned... The hatred by those who survived... Those who receive the burden of emotions as bleak accept being controlled by them. All I wanted was the death of them. This question haunted my thoughts but the answer had already been lost. "You do not find the answer until you've killed everyone." It was a decision I took. I delete my "destination" with my enemies. I do not fear death as long as I can avenge myself. That is why I am strong" - Shusuke Amagai
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Yea I don't see squad zero beating that now that I rewatched fight that clip is just straight up disrespectful lol
