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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

AppleLord said:
Senjumaru’s feat is approximately 720 megatons.

Earthquake magnitude is a logarithmic scale, so a magnitude 3 earthquake releases about 32 times less energy than a magnitude 4 and about 1,000 times less than a magnitude 5.

Earthquakes naturally dissipate energy as seismic waves travel through the earth, so an earthquake large enough to be felt worldwide would need to start with immense energy at its epicenter.

The shaking felt at any location depends on its distance from the epicenter, the local geology, and soil conditions. A magnitude 3 shake would be light/weak.

Modeling energy transmission through the entire earth is complex. But as a very rough illustration, a 5 megaton TNT detonation (large nuclear bomb) releases about the same energy as a magnitude 6 earthquake. So a worldwide light shake might require significantly more energy, though the TNT equivalent would be highly speculative.

In reality, no artificial explosion on or below earth's surface could actually generate a smooth worldwide earthquake. The released energy would follow existing fault lines and dissipate irregularly.

It's very difficult to provide an accurate estimate of the energy in joules required for a hypothetical worldwide light earthquake shake, as there are many complex factors involved. However, we can make some rough assumptions to get in the ballpark:

Let's assume a magnitude 3 earthquake, which has around 1% of the energy of a magnitude 5 quake.

A magnitude 5 earthquake releases around 1.8 x 10^15 joules of energy (equivalent to about 4 megatons of TNT).

If we assume the energy dissipates uniformly through the earth's crust and upper mantle, the surface area of the earth is around 5.1 x 10^14 m2.

So very roughly, to generate a light shake across that entire area, the energy required would be on the order of 1.8 x 10^15 joules x 100 (to scale up to a mag 3) / 5.1 x 10^14 m2 = around 35,000 joules per m2 across the earth's surface.

Multiplied out over the earth's surface area, that equates to very roughly around 2 x 10^20 joules needed in total energy release to generate a light worldwide shake.

This is a very rough "back of the envelope" estimate that grossly simplifies real seismic wave propagation. But it gives us an extremely high baseline number in the 10^20 joule range for the minimum energy required. The actual number could be orders of magnitude higher when accounting for dissipation through the earth. But this at least gives us an idea of the immense energy involved for a worldwide effect.

1) Earthquake felt in both the skies and earth:

It's not physically possible for seismic waves from an earthquake to propagate through the atmosphere. The shaking feeling in the "skies" would have to be explained by some other phenomenon.

If we speculate some massive atmospheric disturbance in addition to the seismic waves through the earth, it would require significantly more energy. As a very rough estimate, likely on the order of 10x higher, so around 2 x 10^21 joules.

2) Earthquake felt across 3 planet Earths:

The surface area of 3 planet Earths would be about 3 times larger, at around 1.5 x 10^15 m2.

Using the same rough assumptions as before, the total energy required for a light shake would scale proportionally.

So for 3 Earths, very approximately 10^20 joules x 3 = 3 x 10^20 joules.

These are extremely rough estimates meant to illustrate general scales and should not be taken as accurate calculations. The actual energies could be orders of magnitude different in reality.

Oops, made a mistake, my previous estimate for the 3 Earth scenario was off. Let me re-work that calculation:

For a light worldwide earthquake on 1 Earth, we estimated very roughly 10^20 joules

10^20 joules is approximately 240 megatons of TNT energy

For 3 Earths, the total surface area is about 3 times greater

So as you pointed out, the total energy would be roughly:

10^20 joules x 3 = 3 x 10^20 joules

Converting this to megatons of TNT:

3 x 10^20 joules / (4.184 x 10^15 joules per megaton) = 720 megatons of TNT

So the very rough estimate for a light worldwide earthquake felt across the surface of 3 planet Earths would be around 720 megatons of TNT energy.
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bro decided to become fluent in Yapanese
 
Reio35 said:
Yhwach didn't put her as a war threat lmao she fodder. Also yama might be stronger since yhwach was going to make him a war threat if not for his lack of blood lust. Needless to say they are probably relative in power

Also why didn't the SS just steal her bankai?
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another fluent Yapanese speaker

BasedNecoScaler69 said:
using reiatsu sensing past fkt is faulty, kubo seems to have scrapped that idea
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Did you just forget that when Aizen shows up, they can't sense his reiatsu still?
 
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
using reiatsu sensing past fkt is faulty, kubo seems to have scrapped that idea
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Ichibei get one shoted by a casual attack from a base almighty Yhwach

Aizen tanked with no scratch an attack from soul king Yhwach + sternitters absorbed + Ichigo power absorbed
unless you think Aizen get thousand time stronger, no one is touching him except god tiers even in FKT arc

and the answer is no, narratively muken aizen is not that much stronger than his god self
 
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
using reiatsu sensing past fkt is faulty, kubo seems to have scrapped that idea
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smells like cope but pop off

midballing the Otsutsuki they'd be like 4-C off of ETSO, maybe multipliered up to High 4-C, perhaps 4-B if you're generous with Kaguya's ETSO. But like midballing Shutara's feat is like 4-A, it just isn't the same weight class at all. If you lowball (5-B) or highball (tier 2) them both ig it's more of a debate tbh
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
bro decided to become fluent in Yapanese
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Shaking the surface of earth via earthquke does not equal shaking a planet. The earth moves at 67,000mph it's mass is 5.2×10^24 kg. So in order to move it you need at least moon level power. It could be higher depending on how much she moved it
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
smells like cope but pop off

midballing the Otsutsuki they'd be like 4-C off of ETSO, maybe multipliered up to High 4-C, perhaps 4-B if you're generous with Kaguya's ETSO. But like midballing Shutara's feat is like 4-A, it just isn't the same weight class at all. If you lowball (5-B) or highball (tier 2) them both ig it's more of a debate tbh
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Cap no one scales off ETSO tbh. Also she never completed it and their was no star in the dimension she was going to destroy. That's like saying senna scales to the blanks who can created a 4-C dimension for being able to control them. Senna by her self fodder even shikai ichigo ss arc could neg[/QUOTE]
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
smells like cope but pop off

midballing the Otsutsuki they'd be like 4-C off of ETSO, maybe multipliered up to High 4-C, perhaps 4-B if you're generous with Kaguya's ETSO. But like midballing Shutara's feat is like 4-A, it just isn't the same weight class at all. If you lowball (5-B) or highball (tier 2) them both ig it's more of a debate tbh
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I smell cooking here
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
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MASSIVE BLEACH DOWNGRADE [Arc Still Hates Bleach Edition]

So, Ikkaku is rated as High 6-A for his durability via tanking jackpot knuckle attacks from Moe. However, Moe's jackpot knuckles work via probability manipulation, in which if he rolls a jackpot, whatever his knuckle is touching breaks. It doesn't actually amp his stats or anything of the such...
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Funny you made this because kubo just answered a question about his jack pot power yesterday
 
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
using reiatsu sensing past fkt is faulty, kubo seems to have scrapped that idea
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I think it's inconsistent in general.

When senjumaru broke her seal the lot of them didn't even realize she was stronger. Gerard while in her bankai thought he could easily overpower it despite experiencing her reiatsu first hand. Technically her reiatsu wasn't sensed. They were reacting to the effects of her reiatsu on the world not her reiatsu itself. They didn't feel her reiatsu only the detrimental effects it had on the environment.

Grimmjow acted like he could do something to Ichibei when he should be able to tell Ichibei eclipses Base aizen. Halibel experiencing Yamamoto's shikai power thought she could take him. It's not like he's hiding his reiatsu he was literally flexing it. The arrancars couldn't tell Unohana's reiatsu completely eclipsed his. Sure like he backed away, but realistically it was pretty evident he only backed away because she wasn't scared and she didn't wanna fight and it was smarter to simply not force an issue.
 
Q: 523: A characteristic of Shishigawara's Fullbring, "Jackpot Knuckle," is that the probability of him hitting the jackpot decreases the more he uses it, but does that probability of winning the jackpot ever recover? And if so, I'd like to know the conditions for how.
A: Kubo: Gradual recovery from misfortune (taking damage, etc.). It'll fully recover after 12:00.
 
The fact that indexing statistics values on profiles got a formatting update is really eating up a lot of time, as i go through my blogs to reformat the scaling :grief emoji:
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
The fact that indexing statistics values on profiles got a formatting update is really eating up a lot of time, as i go through my blogs to reformat the scaling :grief emoji:
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Regarding the Senjumaru feat, doesn’t the specific set of kanji pretty much mean all of creation/ all of the realms entirely?

Ive been looking at arguments for it and this what most people seem to think. I came to same conclusion too.

Link
 
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Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Regarding the Senjumaru feat, doesn’t the specific set of kanji pretty much mean all of creation/ all of the realms entirely?

Ive been looking at arguments for it and this what most people seem to think. I came to same conclusion too.
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I've been talking with other translators, IMade, Deceived, Tracer, etc., and I will prolly make a comprehensive Squad 0 thread after the general cour 2 scaling thread, if you wanna hit me up about it.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I've been talking with other translators, IMade, Deceived, Tracer, etc., and I will prolly make a comprehensive Squad 0 thread after the general cour 2 scaling thread, if you wanna hit me up about it.
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Ill prob hit up about fate/reality manipulation and what not when her bankai name and abilities get translated and idk if we need to see what happens in cour 3 episode 1 or not. Though i would want at most for translation first
 
Bolin is kinda lame. Not crazy about His brother either. Only liked Korra, Tenzin and literally every single villain bc Korra had goated villians
 
Tier 4 is massively more consistent and correct with what the set of Kanji describes. Like massively more consistent, Tier 5 and below literally requires you to discard the commonly used meaning and instead insert a much less likely and uncommonly used metaphor when the statement itself doesn't use that metaphorical wording, but rather uses direct wording instead.

Tier 5 is the absolute lowest end the statement can logically be interpreted to without dishonesty/ignorance, Tier 4 is the most likely and consistent interpretation and Tier 2 is the highest end interpretation you can logically grant.
 
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