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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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aizen is not winning against squad 0 but idk about no chance
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the yhwach effect
Excellence616
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Even with his Butterfly form?
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yeah, in order to beat them, you're gonna need a lot more than just raw power, they're pretty stacked on hax, yhwach was getting cooked until he reawakened the almighty.
Excellence616
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And why could he use Almighty to neg the hax used on him by Ichibei who is the strongest S0 member?
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the zero squad hasnt looked at his sword unlike the gotei
Excellence616
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that doesnt debunk my point? im saying ks wouldnt even work on them because they havent seen it
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Excellence616
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Forget about KS. Which power do you think they have that can stop Aizen (Butterfly) and How can the bypass Hōgyoku?
Which AP do they have?
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Aizen vs squad zero depends on if his raw power would allow him to power through something like Senjumaru's Bankai or Ichibei's abilities. Ichigo is stronger than butterfly and monster Aizen yet got dropped by askin. So either because him being suppressed means he couldn't power through it, or hax simply beat tier. Yhwach beat Ichibei not by raw power but by the Almighty negating his ability then one shotting him. But Ichigo doesn't have the hogyoku so
EldemadeDityjon
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Higher reatsu negs KS. Also ichibē should already know about KS because of his Clairvoyance. They just don't interfere with SS that's all.
Excellence616
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Don't forget Hōgyoku has SK fragments which can neg Ichimonji and any ability that ain't SK. This Askin dropping Ichigo has already be debunk. Almighty is both AP and Hax.
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Excellence616
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I saw the two meal you cooked. They taste real good.
Excellence616
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He did reach SK level didn't he?
Doesn't matter if their Reiatsu was felt across the Bleach verse, what ever S0 Scale to, WSK scales above it along with God tiers and that includes Aizen.
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Monster Aizen May be above Ichibē. It's up to you if you believe Monster Aizen ~ WSK > Ichibē. We don't have any scaling between WSK and Ichibē so it's hard to say.
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they have the oken fused within then which is the sk's power in their bones.
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This shouldn't be a debate.
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It's stated he would've won if Ichigo didn't stop him, and that's the final form he wanted to reach to replace the soul king
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kubo cooks up shit on a week by week basis, the zero squad probably werent even finalized
It's stated he would've won if Ichigo didn't stop him, and that's the final form he wanted to reach to replace the soul king
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scan?
It's stated he would've won if Ichigo didn't stop him, and that's the final form he wanted to reach to replace the soul king
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Already on his profile
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Back then Zero Squad was just a myth, later they were jobbers, and now they are Soul King level threat! Kubo pulls stuff up his arse everytime. Aizen was pick fiction at his time. After that, everything else was above him. Tsukishima > God Aizen
It's stated he would've won if Ichigo didn't stop him, and that's the final form he wanted to reach to replace the soul king
Tsukishima is 100% confirmed to be physically present in alternative past timeline and not change memories.
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And you think I'm gonna go out and find the prove to your claim?
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bruh
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This is headcanon.
Just because it wasn't felt doesn't mean he's weaker, Ichibe's reiatsu wasn't felt across dimensions but he would mop the floor with Senjumaru.
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Like i said. Anything the S0 will show, WSK scales above that, Aizen (Butterfly and God) scales to and above.
WTF..?
Tsukishima is 100% confirmed to be physically present in alternative past timeline and not change memories.
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im actually crying.. my stomach
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Bald claim. Prove it? Ichibei is not longer the "stronger than all Gotei 13 combine" as in the manga. Every single of them is stronger than Gotei 13 combine. Ichibei may out hax Senjumaru but that doesn't prove your point.
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Small Star level (Aizen kills Gin[101][102] as he finally transcends Hollow and Shinigami[103], and the Hogyoku had granted Aizen's wish of evolving to the level of god,[104] otherwise known as the level of the Soul King[Note 1]) | At least Small Star level (Burns a casual post-Dangai training Ichigo's arm with a Fragor[105], he transcended everything[106], surpassing even god (Soul King)[107][Note 2]), Star level+ with Ultra Fragor (Ultra Fragor combines 12 Fragor into a single attack[108], as confirmed by Unmasked[109] [657.198 Quettatons]) | Large Star level (Capable of cutting through Soul King Yhwach's darkness and putting up a decent fight, and is one of three people alive capable of defeating Hikone's full power, making him among the strongest in the entire verse)
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I haven't said the statement about "stronger than the gotei combined" is only about Ichibe, don't strawman me, if Senjumaru surpasses Ichibe she would neg his hax.
Aizen in fact said that he can't be sensed because his power is on a whole different plane/dimension/leve than the soul reapers, so the whole thing about "they didn't feel it" is a nonsense because that's part of his superiority to the soul reapers
