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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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im pretty sure he killed them with his reiatsu
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Telekinesis (Yhwach can destroy a persons limbs or body without moving a finger [22]. Yhwach is additionally capable of pushing people away with Telekinesis [23] or simply blowing them up internally [24])
It's not really explained
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No, we are are told that only those on the same state as him can sense Aizen. Meaning transcendant , wich ichigo is from the begining but is nerfed by OMZ.
Just like Aizen can weaken himself to a point regular human can sense him. Ichigo is nerfed to a point where he appear as a normal shinigami, but is still on the same state as Aizen from the get go.
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Ichigo is not transcendent at this point, nothing at all indicates that
It's very clear that being able to sense Aizen or not is dependant on a strength/Reiatsu gap...
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Isshin say "state" wich is obviously mean transcendant in this context ,meaning Ichigo can only sense Aizen because he is also transcendant , just nerfed by OMZ.
Debunk Isshin's statement or concede.
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All this gin wank is unnecessary. He doesn't have any notable feats.
He nowhere near as strong as any of the og captains.
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Your point is entirely moot as even Aizen wasn't transcendent at this point, hence why I referred to him as "pseudo-transcendent" in my posts, he only becomes transcendent in his third form as he himself states.
And it doesn't matter anyway as even if we were to agree that Ichigo was transcendent at this point, that would only further prove that Gin is > Unohana/Shunsui etc.
He has few relevant feats but the ones he does have are good
- Was toying with Ichigo, though as already mentioned, this Ichigo was mentally nerfed
- Harmed Third Form Aizen and was also able to withstand his Reiatsu
- Referred to as an unparalleled prodigy, meaning he's > Toshiro who Shunsui stated would surpass him within 100 years and also > Aizen lol, at least in terms of innate talent
- Aizen kept Gin around and recognized his power even though he considered the entire Espada to be weak and massive disappointments, implying Gin is at least > every Espada
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I think he killed ichibei with the Almighty
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Similar level = equal power
10 and 99 can be described as similar levels in terms of order of magnitude
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Goofy goober commentGet a job.
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When did he say the espada was weak?Also even the likes of barrgan is considered above all the current captains. Except Kenpachi. And most of the current captains slap gin. Cien also stated no one in HM surpassed barrgan yammy and starrk besides. Aizen,himself,VL ichigo and ulq.
Gin was damaged by bankai ichigo. Unless you think regular bankai ichigo is above the espada i dont know what to tell you
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He implied it was. Vai thinking roca would likely use that form over the other espadaCien didn’t say Ulq was above Respira, Los Lobos, or Angry Res Yammy
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When he cuts down Harribel, he can't believe how much of a disappointment their strength was
Don't bother trying to use the novels to contradict this, manga > novels
Why not? Bankai Ichigo at half power could contend with Yammy.
Also, I'm not just going to ignore the fact that Gin blatantly toys with Ichigo and even harms Third Form Aizen, that latter feat especially makes him > all captains + espada just by using already accepted scaling on profiles.
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You know Aizen was lowering himself to the point that ****** Tatsuki could sense his power. And to quote you, you must be in a similar state and have comparable power to sense someone in a similar state.
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No proof whatsoever that he lowered himself against Gin, also goes against Aizen's reaction and statements.
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Me spending less time here = I got a job, a puzzy to ****, and a life. So get a life.
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He in fact lowered himself due to the fact humans can sense him.
So isshin,kisuke and yourichi harmed a much stronger aizen because they couldnt sense him
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Before Gin returned, no proof he lowered himself while Gin was around, especially since Aizen admits he knew Gin was about to betray him, he was on guard
Kisuke couldn't even scratch Second Form Aizen, whereas Gin harmed and would have killed Third Form Aizen, which funnily enough makes Gin > base Aizen using our current scaling
All of that is on their profiles as well
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Yet he still was lowering himself while they chasing Ichigo friends and was still lowering himself in his butterfly form because tatsuki could still sense. He obviously wasn't that concerned about gin. Hell gin even hyped up base aizens power as unrivalled.m So vai occams razor he was lowering himself from his 3rd fusion to his butterfly form
The soul society stated vasto lorde class arrancar are above all captain level fighters. Bar yama off course
The narrative in the manga or novels don't support your scaling
All of that is on their profiles as well
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This isn't something you can prove at all, just because Aizen lowered his power at one point in time doesn't mean it's now always lowered afterwards.
Again, Aizen was fully aware that Gin was about to betray him, he has no reason to not be on guard, and he expresses visible shock and fear from Gin damaging him and almost killing him, it's valid.
Not sure what your point is with that last sentence.
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Your not understanding the point he was still constantly letting his guard down around gin lowering himself to point humans can sense him. So he was not concerned about gin. Aizen knew the hogyoku gave him immortality. Man survived a hole in his head. So even more reason to not have his guard up lol.
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He never did. Cien goes out of his way to specifically point out how Roka's aim was right and that had VL Ichigo's powers been reproduced it would've been a tough fight. Even Uryu finds Res Cien's Reiatsu to be reminiscent to that of VL Ichigo. Just drop this silly Res Cien~Ulquiorra fanfic already.
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Oh. yeah. My thoughts on the episode are as follows:
First of all amazing opening. From the direction, music all the way to the sakuga. I'd be lying if I said I didn't scream once or twice while watching it. Also lmfao they really showed stuff up to chapter 542 (The Blade Is Me). Although that's a lot of chapters to cover in 13 episodes, I do wonder if this is some sort of indication that this cour will go up to said chapter.
Edit: Actually it's not that much considering that so far the pacing is 5 chapters per episode on average we have 62 chapters/13 episodes which gives us 4.7 chapters per episode. I think there's a possibility that we might get up to chapter 542 in the first cour alone considering that it was teased in the opening.
The ending was a bit of a powerpoint slideshow, HOWEVER the music was great and for those of you who don't know the lyrics are literally Kubo's manga volume poems albeit changed a bit so that's pretty cool.
I think the episode was pretty decent. We got to see how much of a menace Yhwach is and his aggressive usage of TK and also we got to see (anime only) him BFR Halibel, using Shadow by the looks of it? Although it didn't have the same SFX as the Shadows in episode 1 did. Do keep in mind that this (and episode 1 in a way) will be the only tame episode. Only madness is awaiting us from this moment forth. Next episode we got Ichigo vs Quilge off the bat AND we'll get to see the beginning of the First Invasion and from there on y'all already know everything will be gas.
First of all amazing opening. From the direction, music all the way to the sakuga. I'd be lying if I said I didn't scream once or twice while watching it. Also lmfao they really showed stuff up to chapter 542 (The Blade Is Me). Although that's a lot of chapters to cover in 13 episodes, I do wonder if this is some sort of indication that this cour will go up to said chapter.
Edit: Actually it's not that much considering that so far the pacing is 5 chapters per episode on average we have 62 chapters/13 episodes which gives us 4.7 chapters per episode. I think there's a possibility that we might get up to chapter 542 in the first cour alone considering that it was teased in the opening.
The ending was a bit of a powerpoint slideshow, HOWEVER the music was great and for those of you who don't know the lyrics are literally Kubo's manga volume poems albeit changed a bit so that's pretty cool.
I think the episode was pretty decent. We got to see how much of a menace Yhwach is and his aggressive usage of TK and also we got to see (anime only) him BFR Halibel, using Shadow by the looks of it? Although it didn't have the same SFX as the Shadows in episode 1 did. Do keep in mind that this (and episode 1 in a way) will be the only tame episode. Only madness is awaiting us from this moment forth. Next episode we got Ichigo vs Quilge off the bat AND we'll get to see the beginning of the First Invasion and from there on y'all already know everything will be gas.
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You really don't understand anything. Being transcendant mean nothing by itself in terms of power. Aizen is trancendant but could nerf himself so that Hanataro could beat him. Ichigo being trancendant since he unlocked his shinigami powers and Gin beating him mean nothing because he was constantly nerfed by OMZ until "The blade is me". Even dangai was still but a fraction of the true power Ichigo had from the begining, as stated by OZM. He was ALWAYS restraining him.
There is levels to trancendance if you weren't aware. Condom Aizen was merely in the first stage of it .
And according to Isshin himself, the only way to sense a trancendant is to be in the same state as he is,meaning Ichigo sensing him, despite being far weaker than Aizen currently by his own admission, mean he is trancendant at this stage, wich you still didn't debunked.
Gin is strong, but using a nerfed ichigo and a nerfed Aizen to scale him won't lead us nowhere.
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Go build a barn.Apple on his “I got a gf” grindset
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Chock on this
Irrelevant he still thought ulqs power was more probable option than the other espada. Which means ulq>>>the espada cope
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I actually think gin is not even on FKT shunsui level given I think Tokinada > gin.
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And Arc is right, Ichigo could sense Aizen because Ichigo is always supposed to be immensely strong if not for old man suppressing him, Ichigo sensing Aizen is a blatant foreshadow on him being always that strong and having his real strenght suppressed. Ichigo while fighting gin was kinda weak and I doubt he could even beat Stark or shunsui.
