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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

BleachHollow said:
If an anime character which for example is faster than lets take ichigo, but has way less power ( in this case reiatsu ) than him. Would he be able to damage Ichigo, even though Bleach characters have Soul Crush? Or would he disappear coming close to Ichigo?
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Characters can harm BLEACH characters without the need of Reiatsu, if they are strong enough. Kubo prove this in the new chapter where Ghouls from Hell don't have reiatsu and went Aizen convinced himself that Ichigo discarded his reiatsu for physical strength and speed.
 
AppleLord said:
Characters can harm BLEACH characters without the need of Reiatsu, if they are strong enough. Kubo prove this in the new chapter where Ghouls from Hell don't have reiatsu and went Aizen convinced himself that Ichigo discarded his reiatsu for physical strength and speed.
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Well the Ghouls might have reiryoku, reiatsu is just spiritual pressure (applied spirit energy), you can get around with raw spirit energy (Reiryoku)
 
Cyberblader90 said:
this is totally not me trying to come to a conclusion if aizen can no sell or return from a TSO from madara. no sir
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Aizens has many powernull resistance feats. Breaking seki seki which blocks and erases spirit energy. Aizen transcending kido some of which having EE,Aizen negging the" kotosu "which is supposed to neg spirit energy. Plus high spirit energy negates any hax wheather it be eraser or space-time hax. Not to mention his passive reality warping.

I'm contentious on tsb erasing space-time. As the databook stated it erases the world. Not to mention they have been negged by space-time manipulation. Like teleported by obito and spatially warped by guy.
 
AppleLord said:
Characters can harm BLEACH characters without the need of Reiatsu, if they are strong enough. Kubo prove this in the new chapter where Ghouls from Hell don't have reiatsu and went Aizen convinced himself that Ichigo discarded his reiatsu for physical strength and speed.
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Both the kotosu which is a embodiment of reason and ichibies ink aren't reiatsu based yet they can be negged by reiatsu.
 
The only awko tacos in reiatsu based powernull is, Nanana negging Aizen with hax and Askin negging Ichigo with hax. Albeit in both cases Aizen and Ichigo were caught off guard, Aizen had holes in his reiatsu too, and Ichigo never went full power until his final fight with Yhwach. Soooooo
 
Didn't the page when Mugetsu cut Aizen say "all things return into nothing"

For some reason, Viz removes all those side notes from the pages
 
..... why do people always bring up Ichigo "having no reiatsu"? The statement comes from Aizen who was also convinced he had ascended to a higher dimension, that he was the one obliterating mountains, that Ichigo catching his blade was fluke, somehow didn't realise that clashing with Ichigo's sword was like an immovable object, that Ichigo was throwing aside every single thing he tried to do etc
 
Yeah Aizen during his fight with Ichigo was constantly trying to rationalize Ichigo effortlessly surpassing him. Unless you wanna say he was literal about dimensional transcendence I find it hypocritical to take him literally that being physically strong means you can affect souls.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
..... why do people always bring up Ichigo "having no reiatsu"? The statement comes from Aizen who was also convinced he had ascended to a higher dimension, that he was the one obliterating mountains, that Ichigo catching his blade was fluke, somehow didn't realise that clashing with Ichigo's sword was like an immovable object, that Ichigo was throwing aside every single thing he tried to do etc
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Yeah I agree Aizen there was ****** lol, he was just trying not to believe that Ichigo had a higher Reiatsu, when Ichigo showed his Reiatsu later he didnt have a choice but to believe that Ichigo was only at a higher dimension level
 
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TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
Also using ghouls of hell as any kind of example is faulty cus we literaly have next to no info on them
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We know they don't have reiatsu which is the important stuff we need to come to the conclusion that Aizen's theory of someone beating him in physicals without reiatsu can happen.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Yeah Aizen during his fight with Ichigo was constantly trying to rationalize Ichigo effortlessly surpassing him. Unless you wanna say he was literal about dimensional transcendence I find it hypocritical to take him literally that being physically strong means you can affect souls.
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If he brought up the concept is because the concept is real, not something fake. lol
 
Besides Dangai Ichigo is nothing special, but Ichigo training for 3 months. Any character can reach that level by training, Mugetsu is another discussion.
 
Y’all keep riding the no reiatsu point like it means people without spiritual anything in general can interact with souls.

Reiatsu = spiritual pressure (the refined application of spiritual energy)
Reiryoku = spiritual energy (your innate power source and baseline power level)

Shinigami sense reiatsu.


AppleLord said:
If he brought up the concept is because the concept is real, not something fake. lol
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yeah no characters can be wrong in their hypotheses, people once hypothesized the world was flat, unless you’re going to tell me earth is flat
 
YukaSama4 said:
Didn't the page when Mugetsu cut Aizen say "all things return into nothing"

For some reason, Viz removes all those side notes from the pages
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You can thank me later....

Kurosaki.Ichigo.full.298468.jpg
 
Oh yes, everybody can reach transcendence it's not like every one in the series hasn't reached BASE AIZEN ASIDE FROM KISUKE AND AURA YET
 
AppleLord said:
Aizen is a man of science. He won't bring something irrelevant.
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You bring this up like the entire point of Aizen's fall from grace was displayed with him being repeatedly wrong against Ichigo.

Stop being a mrk.

AppleLord said:
Tsukishima flat out defeated transcendent Aizen in an alternative timeline lol
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Through Orihime and Chad's past, you'd need to prove they knew precisely how strong that Aizen they never saw, and only likely heard of is.

AppleLord said:
You can thank me later....

Kurosaki.Ichigo.full.298468.jpg
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Don't drop the scan without a translation mrk, not everyone here knows Japanese.
 
The only thing that Tsukishima knows from Aizen IS WHAT THAT USELESS AND NOTHING CHARACTER CALLED TATSUKI KNOWS, which is when Aizen IS HOLDING BACK
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Through Orihime and Chad's past, you'd need to prove they knew precisely how strong that Aizen they never saw, and only likely heard of is.
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They never saw that version of Aizen. And throughout past sounds like you meat memories T.T Tsukishima doesn't change memories but their literal past.
 
Dangai_Ichigo said:
The only thing that Tsukishima knows from Aizen IS WHAT THAT USELESS AND NOTHING CHARACTER CALLED TATSUKI KNOWS, which is when Aizen IS HOLDING BACK
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Too bad he doesn't control memories and literally travels to that past and earns experience and skills by literally fighting in the past.
 
Scaling anyone to or above base Aizen (except a select few) breaks the scaling, because you get this if you scale Fullbring Ichigo above Dangai

Shikai Aizen < Dangai Ichigo < Fullbring Ichigo ~ Tsukishima ~ LAA Byakuya < Post RG Byakuya =< CFYOW Byakuya ~ Tokinada < Shikai Aizen and Shikai Yama
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Scaling anyone to or above base Aizen (except a select few) breaks the scaling, because you get this if you scale Fullbring Ichigo above Dangai

Shikai Aizen < Dangai Ichigo < Fullbring Ichigo ~ Tsukishima ~ LAA Byakuya < Post RG Byakuya =< CFYOW Byakuya ~ Tokinada < EOS Shikai Aizen and Shikai Yama
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Fixed that for you.
 
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