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Harribel’s number disappears too… look at her tiddies
you’ll see what I mean-
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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you’ll see what I mean
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i never noticed tbf when her milkers out like that u cant blame me for not focusing on the number, also ill just ignore this fact
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Halibel bullying Hollowfied Hiyori, Hollowfied Lisa and Toshiro be like.
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SE ulqirrora is most definitely stronger than all the espada. Ulq saying their are 3 others above him is wrong. 1 hes only referring his 1st release which was ranked by aizen not the 2nd. And to be technical their was 4 if you count yammy. Stated by zangestu himself vasto lorde ichigo is above ichigos striped mask which is above the espada. Ulq was able to cutt VL ichigos horn so he somewhat scales. Not to mention kubo himself said the hellverse fight between VL ichigo and ulq was more accurate than the one in the manga. But do to time constraints kubo made it seem like VL ichigo just stomped ulq. When in actuality he intended for them to be relative.
Aizen didn't know about SE ulq or he just didn't give it a rank. From what ulq says aizen hasn't seen so hes likely unaware. Plp argue aizen created ulq so their for he knows his power level. Not true the espada can still train and get stronger even after given power.
Aizen didn't know about SE ulq or he just didn't give it a rank. From what ulq says aizen hasn't seen so hes likely unaware. Plp argue aizen created ulq so their for he knows his power level. Not true the espada can still train and get stronger even after given power.
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The fact they were out there for all too see is exactly why you should have noticed. Ulq's 4 also disappeared from his pectoral when he entered his first Res. We can see this cuz he doesn't have sleeves or a chest covering. Just a dress for his abdomen down and a turtleneck.
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mate i wont notice the color of a waifus underwear much less that am down bad for my waifus
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Cutting off the horn of an off guard Ichigo doesn’t warrant scaling. FH Ichigo’s physicals > Lanza del Relampago = SE Ulq’s strongest attack.
This is objectively false, I have the raws and all they say is “the anime/movie renditions of this fight are super awesome because they can capture motion manga cannot”. He never said “Hell Verse’s interpretation > manga’s”.
Directly contradicted by three things:
1. Aizen referencing SE Ulq when talking about the new power Ichigo acquired hinting that he is aware.
2. Yammy after sensing SE Ulq die, goes into Res and claims he’s > Ulq which is backed up by the databooks.
3. Ulq admitting there are 3 Espada above him even if Ichigo managed to defeat him. Defeating Ulq in this context would mean beating him at his strongest, as we see Ulq doesn’t show restraint and even if he doesn’t need SE to win the fight he’ll still enter it as seen with Ichigo.
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Yea I am of the same opinion as arc
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Nope im fr ulq scales lol
Yeah just to intimidate ichigo and thats in reference to the his 1st release which is ranked not SE. No way will i ever except those 3 being above se ulq who has way better feats.
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That's just an argument from disbelief
Something like watching early DBZ and saying there is no way freeza is below cell cus cell never blew a planet and freeza did
Something like watching early DBZ and saying there is no way freeza is below cell cus cell never blew a planet and freeza did
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Basically it comes down to this imo:
1) Saying “Aizen doesn’t know about SE therefore the rankings don’t apply based on Ulq saying Aizen hasn’t seen it” is just as valid as “Aizen hasn’t seen it visually but still knows about it as hinted in his speech with Ichigo thus the rankings are valid” under equal interpretation. Which means neither of these interpretations can be used to make a concrete claim thus we dig further.
2) We are told over and over again that the Espada are ranked on power/spiritual power/strength etc. Lower rank = stronger, and well 3, 2, and 1 are lower than 4.
3) Ulq admits that beating him is futile because there are 3 Espada stronger than him. We know Ulq will use his full power in a fight even if he isn’t being pressed into using it, so no reason to assume that when he says “even if you beat me” he’s only referring to his base or Res, Ulq in an all out fight will use all his power before losing, as he is extremely loyal to Aizen. It’s not in character for Ulquiorra to lie either.
4) People cry that Ulq has better feats, well Ulq has better feats than God Aizen so I guess SE Ulq > God Aizen. SE Ulq has a better on screen feat than Yhwach (ignoring statements), but if you can’t believe characters can scale above other characters without on screen feats, SE Ulq > Yhwach too. Feats aren’t limiters.
5) People love to use lies about what Kubo said about HV, claiming it’s the “canon” version despite that never being stated.
People deadass see Ulq go oog booga big explosion and then go full monkey thinking he must be the strongest.
1) Saying “Aizen doesn’t know about SE therefore the rankings don’t apply based on Ulq saying Aizen hasn’t seen it” is just as valid as “Aizen hasn’t seen it visually but still knows about it as hinted in his speech with Ichigo thus the rankings are valid” under equal interpretation. Which means neither of these interpretations can be used to make a concrete claim thus we dig further.
2) We are told over and over again that the Espada are ranked on power/spiritual power/strength etc. Lower rank = stronger, and well 3, 2, and 1 are lower than 4.
3) Ulq admits that beating him is futile because there are 3 Espada stronger than him. We know Ulq will use his full power in a fight even if he isn’t being pressed into using it, so no reason to assume that when he says “even if you beat me” he’s only referring to his base or Res, Ulq in an all out fight will use all his power before losing, as he is extremely loyal to Aizen. It’s not in character for Ulquiorra to lie either.
4) People cry that Ulq has better feats, well Ulq has better feats than God Aizen so I guess SE Ulq > God Aizen. SE Ulq has a better on screen feat than Yhwach (ignoring statements), but if you can’t believe characters can scale above other characters without on screen feats, SE Ulq > Yhwach too. Feats aren’t limiters.
5) People love to use lies about what Kubo said about HV, claiming it’s the “canon” version despite that never being stated.
People deadass see Ulq go oog booga big explosion and then go full monkey thinking he must be the strongest.
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Which is way i say feats contradict. Yammy is ranked the strongest yet he gets negged by Kenpachi not even trying
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All that means is that Kenny > all the Espada lol
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A kenpachi we know gets a boost after each fight + close death battles
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Then what's the point of ulq saying aizen didn't see his SE form? That completely disregards the narrative even the databooks say aizen has not seen the form
Ulq saying 3 espada are above is him not taking into account his 2nd form which is unranked.He doesn't even include yammy in that statement which contradicts it. Ulq even considered yammy weaker than himself and yammy never said he was wrong when he made the claim.
Ulq saying 3 espada are above is him not taking into account his 2nd form which is unranked.He doesn't even include yammy in that statement which contradicts it. Ulq even considered yammy weaker than himself and yammy never said he was wrong when he made the claim.
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Muken Aizen's KS needs a range upgrade. KS can affect all different multiverse timelines that Yhwach is watching. Like KS was able to control every single event that happened in those timelines from their sight, touch, smell, hearing, taste, and reikaku. Including all of the "people/movment" that everyone on those timelines did to convince Yhwach that he wasn't under KS when using Almighty.
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Not seeing does not mean he does not know of it
He never said "those 3 are above my 1st form" the statement is made in general
FYI the number of espada 3 and above also disapear from their bodies
Yea, base tammy is weaker than everyone, this is obvious as his base level is 10
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Further Ichigo’s despair by Ulquiorra being much stronger than anticipated and by extension the top 3 being far above what Ichigo can handle.
ReS HaRrIbEl is unranked too, not really an argument that his number isn’t visible.
Yammy doesn’t even store enough power to go rank 0 until after Ulq dies so this is a null point.
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If aizen has not seen this form he wouldn't know how strong it is as he can't sense how strong SE ulq truly is cuz it's sealed.
Okay i could say ulq is talking about his base when he says their is 3 others stronger than him
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I’ve never seen the earthquake the erupted random volcano number 3 but I can still find out it’s yield. Aizen pre-planned Ichigo’s fights, it goes against the narrative to argue he was entirely unaware, most you can say is he doesn’t know what it looks like visually.
Ulquiorra said “even if you beat me there are 3 Espada stronger”, you’d have to beat SE Ulq to beat Ulquiorra he wouldn’t hold back and lose in his base form we see that’s not how he fights.
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Imma just steelman for a sec that Aizen didn't know about SE and was only aware that he left behind his Cero Espada and his 4th Espada. That doesn't help your stance at all. When Ichigo pulled up against Aizen, Aizen was disappointed in his strength at the time and expected him to be stronger. Why would this be the case? Did Ichigo not just fight SE Ulq who you tote as the strongest Espada and get a huge amp off of him? Considering Aizen left behind his strongest Espada (Yammy) and expected Ichigo to be stronger by surpassing Yammy (which he never did since they never fully fought) than he was surpassing SE Ulq, its really telling as to the gap between their power when surpassing one is disappointing while the other was expected to give Aizen a scrap.
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I mean even the Databook says that Ulq is weaker Than Yammy and others, Kubo in that list put Yammy above Starrk in his 0 Espada form while Ulq was still the 4th meaning his statement about 3 others stronger than him is correct
Kubo did give Yammy 2 ratings one for this weakest form and one for his 0 form, why didn't he do the same for Ulq? Simply because Ulq's statement was correct
Kubo did give Yammy 2 ratings one for this weakest form and one for his 0 form, why didn't he do the same for Ulq? Simply because Ulq's statement was correct
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Prolly the best summary of the argument, if Ulq had a form that changed his rank, it would’ve been listed just like Yammy’s.
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Yes aizen expected him him to be stronger. And SE ulq did infact push him to the level his VL form which is above his striped mask. The striped masked form we see aizen fight is improper hollowfication form. Stated by zangestu himself. Do to ichigos fear of his full hollow form he fought ulq in. He started suppressing himself and holding back cuz he didn't what his full hollow to come out again.
So yeah That's why aizen is disappointed. He expected ichigo to be far above 1st res ulq but that wasn't the case.. Instead he fought s much weaker striped mask ichigo
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That's based on the know power levels by aizen i don't think it's taking into account SE ulq.
But the databooks does say ulq didn't show aizen his 2nd res form and also stated ulq is the only espada able to achieve that level.
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That list is from Kubo in the databook, how is it based on Aizen’s belief?
Are you saying that Kubo feared that Aizen will break the 4th wall and read the databook and says oh shit Ulq you had that form, and Ulq will be like oh no why did you do that Kubo I told you to keep that as a secret, like seriously I don't think it's stated on Aizen’s belief and even if it was, Kubo isn't that dumb to repeat that again in the databook while it's wrong.
Look there are many statements and all that Ulq’s fans are saying is "this is only about the 1st release", "this is only Kubo repeating some wrong stuff".
There is nothing that supports that.
their reasons are Ulq has better feats..etc which can be made to say Ulq is the strongest dude in the anime which is definitely wrong, it's like saying, for example, u know unmasked says "Aizen transcended everything" but yeah it's talking about Ulq 1st release only because unmasked was only repeating Aizen’s wrong statement, and it's a wrong a statement because Aizen doesn't know about SE so yeah and SE has better feats
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lmao came back to take another look at that thread and what I'm getting is that the only logical explanation for that scene to make sense is if WotL and SS are separate space-times.
Which, to be fair, they could be.
Which, to be fair, they could be.
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i personally consider them separate space times
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Do these 2 have any thematic connections
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Adam “eyes of the lord”
Yhwach “eyes of Reio (aka the lord)”
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I mean, the fact that they are spatially separate, strongly implies that they are temporally separate as well.
And this hasn't been explicitly contradicted.
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Now there’s evidence to say they share the same axis of time. Going back in time in SS reminded time in WotL.
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Even if we allow that Yhwach's Miracle increases not only strength but speed as well. Eventually, Yhwach will adapt (Pernida) and get to that level.
