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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Adam1396 said:
@Arc7Kuroi why doesn't aizen have any bankai multiplier? Is that because of hogyoku stats amp, reactive evolution?
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Spectra_Schiffer said:
Because he never used his Ban Kai. Even whether it exists or not is nothing more than a theory. This site does not discuss anything based on theory, so Aizen cannot get multipliers from Ban Kai.
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So we can not assume aizen having it based on captains having bankai, or being pinnacle of shinigami within SS and above unohana. But here we are assuming she had it back then without single shred of evidence.
 
Arcker123 said:
Yes, the Manga and anime show Kenny blitzing and putting a hole in Unohana and unohana being suprised she got weaker.

Only applies to Kaido, not her Bankai healing. She conceded because Kenny was stronger than her and was the one who truly deserved the title of strongest instead of her. Claiming Bankai Unohana scales to any form of Kid Zaraki is against the narrative.
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that's funny. why would she learn kaido for zaraki if she can heal without costing reiryoku?
she was formerly killer not healer. So it's more likely healing attributes developed later or she didn't even have shikai back then. And both her shikai , bankai reflects her character perfectly after that fight.

Also assuming bankai unohana was included in that statement, she should still scale higher than eyepatch shikai zaraki as it seems eyepatch removal is greater amp. Though it's unquantifiable by this wiki standard.
BTW stomping was a hilarious take.
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Not canon
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it' canon
Arc7Kuroi said:
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Aizen is confirmed to have a Bankai in SAFWY. Y'all need to stop yappin about shit you don't know about, pretending like it's some grand point that saves these dookie arguments y'all keep making.
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Then why not add it?

Anyway my point was to claim unohana had bankai back then, you have to accept all captains automatically have bankai including founding captains.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Adam do you realize that not all Bankai amp stats?
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It has to be stated it gives some other form of advantage at the cost of not giving amps. Otherwise all do give amps.
Arc7Kuroi said:
Do you realize you’d have to prove that a Bankai that we have no idea what it does, amplifies stats? Have you thought beyond the initial thought of “Aizen has Bankai”?
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I get what you are trying to say but it generally gives amp. Bankai yamamoto has special moves different than shikai, doesn't mean it's not amping stats.
 
Adam1396 said:
It has to be stated it gives some other form of advantage at the cost of not giving amps. Otherwise all do give amps.

I get what you are trying to say but it generally gives amp. Bankai yamamoto has special moves different than shikai, doesn't mean it's not amping stats.
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Nope. Please go read and familiarize yourself with the multipliers standards page. 5-10x “combat ability” is not the same as 5-10x all stats dude. Be so for real, like cmon it’s not that hard.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Nope. Please go read and familiarize yourself with the multipliers standards page. 5-10x “combat ability” is not the same as 5-10x all stats dude. Be so for real, like cmon it’s not that hard.
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I see. Then what does yoroichi statement mean? And how you gonna decide which gives amp and which not?
 
Adam1396 said:
I see. Then what does yoroichi statement mean? And how you gonna decide which gives amp and which not?
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Easy, lemme give you an example: Ichigo’s og Bankai is stated to increase his speed. Therefore we can apply the 5x to his speed. Here’s another example: Ikkaku’s Bankai is stated to increase his raw attack energy. Therefore it is 5x AP. When a Bankai specifies it increases a stat we can apply 5x to it. But like a Bankai akin to Mayuri’s doesn’t have any such statement, and all his Bankai is is a hax baby giant. It increases his combat ability by giving him more powerful hax. You can increase your combat ability without having your stats increase.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Easy, lemme give you an example: Ichigo’s og Bankai is stated to increase his speed. Therefore we can apply the 5x to his speed. Here’s another example: Ikkaku’s Bankai is stated to increase his raw attack energy. Therefore it is 5x AP. When a Bankai specifies it increases a stat we can apply 5x to it. But like a Bankai akin to Mayuri’s doesn’t have any such statement, and all his Bankai is is a hax baby giant. It increases his combat ability by giving him more powerful hax. You can increase your combat ability without having your stats increase.
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I don't think it works like that. It's more like different bankai gives greater boost to different aspect of stats. Eg: ichigo's bankai gives boost to every aspect of stats. If it's 5x for AP, Dura- it's 10x for speed.
 
Adam1396 said:
that's funny. why would she learn kaido for zaraki if she can heal without costing reiryoku?
she was formerly killer not healer. So it's more likely healing attributes developed later or she didn't even have shikai back then. And both her shikai , bankai reflects her character perfectly after that fight.

Also assuming bankai unohana was included in that statement, she should still scale higher than eyepatch shikai zaraki as it seems eyepatch removal is greater amp. Though it's unquantifiable by this wiki standard.
BTW stomping was a hilarious take.

it' canon

Then why not add it?

Anyway my point was to claim unohana had bankai back then, you have to accept all captains automatically have bankai including founding captains.
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Assuming the Bankai got new abilities when Unohana didn't fight at all during the gap between her first and second duels with Kenny is a funny headcanon. Old captains don't get stronger.

It doesn't follow from Bankai Unohana being stated to be weaker than Kid Zaraki that she's equal to Shikai Kenny. What?
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Easy, lemme give you an example: Ichigo’s og Bankai is stated to increase his speed. Therefore we can apply the 5x to his speed. Here’s another example: Ikkaku’s Bankai is stated to increase his raw attack energy. Therefore it is 5x AP. When a Bankai specifies it increases a stat we can apply 5x to it. But like a Bankai akin to Mayuri’s doesn’t have any such statement, and all his Bankai is is a hax baby giant. It increases his combat ability by giving him more powerful hax. You can increase your combat ability without having your stats increase.
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Just out of curiosity, would there be anything inherently wrong with trying to get a similar multiplier accepted for Resurreccion using the "several times" statement we get from the databooks, and applying a 3x amp to the specific stats of Resurreccions that have been stated to amp them, like Ulquiorra's release being known for its offensive ability maybe applying for AP? Or did that approach just result in too much multiplier fuckery to be consistent when you were working on AP revisions?
 
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