Hello,
I'm new to the community and still learning the ropes. I should probably start with something small and simple, so... How about questioning the scaling of the entire verse?
Don't worry, I did my homework before starting this thread. I hope I have enough argumentation to convince you.
Currently, almost the entire verse is scaled as 2-C, which comes more or less directly from a single feat of Silent Naga fusing together two universes.
The trouble here is that he didn't do such a thing.
First, GimmyJibbsJr's assertion that planets shown in the series actually inhabit separate universes doesn't survive the confrontation with Wikia's own definition of Universe. While there's some truth to the idea that time in Vestroia flows differently, we don't see any planets set in its dimension other than Vestroia itself. We do see lights in the background, but it's unclear what they are, as nothing really interacts with them. There's no parallel Earth or anything similar. The only time we see alternate Earth in the whole series is in the Defenders of the Core video game - but we're presented there with parallel New Vestroia as well.
It is true that planets like Earth, Vestroia and Vestal are all set in different dimensions, as they're called, but I don't see enough proof that they are completely separate universes - in fact, I see counterproof. In season 2, Vexos Motherpalace leaves Vestal and hides in yet another dimension to avoid getting found. And yet The Brawlers eventually track him, creating a stellar map leading to its location, which is blatant proof that both dimensions are in the same universe. Professor Clay also manages to uncover from the Phantom data a similar map leading to the location from which it was sent, planet Neathia. Which was also stated to inhabit a different universe/dimension. The Brawlers use one and the same dimensional travel system to get to all aforementioned places as well as Vestroia, which would suggest that their status isn't much different.
The most likely model of Bakugan verse is that all locations in the series, apart from alternate world in Defenders of the Core and possibly Doom Dimension, are set within the same universe, but different galaxies can differ in physical properties, which is why they are known as "dimensions". This is supported by villains like Naga and Spectra aspiring to be "supreme rulers of The Universe" (which is quite a low bar if their plans brought them to multiple universes already). Vestroia dimension is a special case of such dimension, as it had barriers preventing dimensional travel between it and other galaxies. Those were shattered by Dr Michael's Dimensional Travel system, then restored by Perfect Dragonoid, and then damaged again by Vestals invasion. Runo's attempt to cross to New Vestroia later in this scan destroys them completely, but the Perfect Core managed to keep the dimension stable despite that (in other words, the plot stopped being concerned about it).
So what did Naga actually do? He initiated the process of Vestroia dimension merging with Earth. Key word being "initiated", because the process was still going on after Naga was defeated. While he still has some impressive feats, such as creating Doom Beings, opening gigantic dimensional gates and sending an energy wave across the planet that stomped all the average Bakugan and damaged the stronger, even tier 5 for Silent Naga may be questioned, because the merging seems to have more to do with instability of Vestroia's cores and Infinity Core's presence on Earth. 2-C is just outright unjustifiable.
I hope that's enough evidence that putting almost the whole verse at 2-C qualifies for revision, but just for good measure I'll throw in a footnote from next time trailer where Spectra calls Alternative Weapon System (established as High 5-B) "a weapon of unparalleled strength". And we're talking here about the owner of Helios MK2 who saw the most powerful New Vestroia Bakugan in action.
Ok, then what tiers do we give to those Bakugan that have 2-C keys? Well, there's still much work ahead of me and everyone else interested in revision, but I have some initial suggestions:
Silent Naga and Infinity Dragonoid - likely High 6-A (it took combined powers of Infinity Dragonoid and five other other powerful Bakugan to kill him. Also, gigantic portals and energy wave stomping all weaker Bakugan at once)
Blitz Dragonoid and Phantom Dharak: At least High 5-A (Code Eve was worried that the clash of Drago and Dharak can split the dimensions and create new ones, and dimension is sufficiently larger than a planet that resides in it. Also, Phantom Dharak vaporized Dragonoid Colossus, Sacred Orb's last line of defense that managed to knock out Linehalt when he was using his Forbidden Power. As Code Eve stated in the previous scan, this power was enough to tear Neathia apart, so that's the level of strength we're talking about here.)
The Perfect Core, Perfect Dragonoid and Hex Dragonoid, since he was channeling the power of the Perfect Core: At Least High 5-A: (repaired Vestroia dimension, remade the planet Vestroia as New Vestroia, fixed all the damage Vestroia caused to Earth, etc.)
Neo Dragonoid: Around High 6-C (Look at this. Calc will likely be needed to determine the ultimate power of this explosion, but just look at this. Just to be clear, this is Neo Dragonoid after summoning some power from The Perfect Core, throughout most of the first half of the season he was way weaker.)
That would be it for now. I hope I didn't make much of a fool out of myself and made my points convincingly enough.
Edit: Jokes on me, there's such a calc already. I will have to analyze it, because I have a feeling the size of New Vestroia is overestimated, but it still supports giving Neo Dragonoid at least High 6-C key, if not higher.
I'm new to the community and still learning the ropes. I should probably start with something small and simple, so... How about questioning the scaling of the entire verse?
Don't worry, I did my homework before starting this thread. I hope I have enough argumentation to convince you.
Currently, almost the entire verse is scaled as 2-C, which comes more or less directly from a single feat of Silent Naga fusing together two universes.
The trouble here is that he didn't do such a thing.
First, GimmyJibbsJr's assertion that planets shown in the series actually inhabit separate universes doesn't survive the confrontation with Wikia's own definition of Universe. While there's some truth to the idea that time in Vestroia flows differently, we don't see any planets set in its dimension other than Vestroia itself. We do see lights in the background, but it's unclear what they are, as nothing really interacts with them. There's no parallel Earth or anything similar. The only time we see alternate Earth in the whole series is in the Defenders of the Core video game - but we're presented there with parallel New Vestroia as well.
It is true that planets like Earth, Vestroia and Vestal are all set in different dimensions, as they're called, but I don't see enough proof that they are completely separate universes - in fact, I see counterproof. In season 2, Vexos Motherpalace leaves Vestal and hides in yet another dimension to avoid getting found. And yet The Brawlers eventually track him, creating a stellar map leading to its location, which is blatant proof that both dimensions are in the same universe. Professor Clay also manages to uncover from the Phantom data a similar map leading to the location from which it was sent, planet Neathia. Which was also stated to inhabit a different universe/dimension. The Brawlers use one and the same dimensional travel system to get to all aforementioned places as well as Vestroia, which would suggest that their status isn't much different.
The most likely model of Bakugan verse is that all locations in the series, apart from alternate world in Defenders of the Core and possibly Doom Dimension, are set within the same universe, but different galaxies can differ in physical properties, which is why they are known as "dimensions". This is supported by villains like Naga and Spectra aspiring to be "supreme rulers of The Universe" (which is quite a low bar if their plans brought them to multiple universes already). Vestroia dimension is a special case of such dimension, as it had barriers preventing dimensional travel between it and other galaxies. Those were shattered by Dr Michael's Dimensional Travel system, then restored by Perfect Dragonoid, and then damaged again by Vestals invasion. Runo's attempt to cross to New Vestroia later in this scan destroys them completely, but the Perfect Core managed to keep the dimension stable despite that (in other words, the plot stopped being concerned about it).
So what did Naga actually do? He initiated the process of Vestroia dimension merging with Earth. Key word being "initiated", because the process was still going on after Naga was defeated. While he still has some impressive feats, such as creating Doom Beings, opening gigantic dimensional gates and sending an energy wave across the planet that stomped all the average Bakugan and damaged the stronger, even tier 5 for Silent Naga may be questioned, because the merging seems to have more to do with instability of Vestroia's cores and Infinity Core's presence on Earth. 2-C is just outright unjustifiable.
I hope that's enough evidence that putting almost the whole verse at 2-C qualifies for revision, but just for good measure I'll throw in a footnote from next time trailer where Spectra calls Alternative Weapon System (established as High 5-B) "a weapon of unparalleled strength". And we're talking here about the owner of Helios MK2 who saw the most powerful New Vestroia Bakugan in action.
Ok, then what tiers do we give to those Bakugan that have 2-C keys? Well, there's still much work ahead of me and everyone else interested in revision, but I have some initial suggestions:
Silent Naga and Infinity Dragonoid - likely High 6-A (it took combined powers of Infinity Dragonoid and five other other powerful Bakugan to kill him. Also, gigantic portals and energy wave stomping all weaker Bakugan at once)
Blitz Dragonoid and Phantom Dharak: At least High 5-A (Code Eve was worried that the clash of Drago and Dharak can split the dimensions and create new ones, and dimension is sufficiently larger than a planet that resides in it. Also, Phantom Dharak vaporized Dragonoid Colossus, Sacred Orb's last line of defense that managed to knock out Linehalt when he was using his Forbidden Power. As Code Eve stated in the previous scan, this power was enough to tear Neathia apart, so that's the level of strength we're talking about here.)
The Perfect Core, Perfect Dragonoid and Hex Dragonoid, since he was channeling the power of the Perfect Core: At Least High 5-A: (repaired Vestroia dimension, remade the planet Vestroia as New Vestroia, fixed all the damage Vestroia caused to Earth, etc.)
Neo Dragonoid: Around High 6-C (Look at this. Calc will likely be needed to determine the ultimate power of this explosion, but just look at this. Just to be clear, this is Neo Dragonoid after summoning some power from The Perfect Core, throughout most of the first half of the season he was way weaker.)
That would be it for now. I hope I didn't make much of a fool out of myself and made my points convincingly enough.
Edit: Jokes on me, there's such a calc already. I will have to analyze it, because I have a feeling the size of New Vestroia is overestimated, but it still supports giving Neo Dragonoid at least High 6-C key, if not higher.
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