I say in between since musashi only used him to master his hand sword style and Baki said that if he had his actual swords he would have been cut in half , and the only time Baki was beating musashi in that fight it was explained it was because he wasn't familiar with modern martial arts
I say he also negated the total seismic energy since if I'm not wrong it's stated that he negated it in its entirety, which would include total seismic energy
some one really tried to downgrade the verse to subsonic
Bruh it’s bad like really bad lol. I don’t agree with the multiplers the op has shown. But if we can calc the Oliva feat then it’s all good
Then we calc if we can
Can you please gather all relevant scans so calc group members can be called?
The Oliva affecting the entire earth feat has already been calced before it was changed as to what happened ( which is still stupidly wrong with what actually happened ) , it said that it was island level by using a very similar feat of sending vibrations and shockwaves all through out the earth
Yeah I kinda don't agree with it either , I still believe that they are valid as to how much stronger they are from each other by I don't think I shoulda used them since , I didn't know we weren't allowed , if they do change it with the consistent evidence I've shown then it should be for everyone who scales above Oliva to be island level + , likely far higher
i agree with the baki lifting class feat being an outlier , i don't think its an outlier at all as it makes sense that something that the top tiers can do easily ( see higher up my explanation for top tiers doing island level feats ) that the strongest mid tier would need 100% power to do it , once again their are calcs that have already been done , but they have been rejected for the reason i debunked at the top , the " they were moving more then six miles an hour that would only affect a 70 mile radius but this time it affect the entire world for reasons i wont explain " claim , and i've already kinda calced the other feats since as i've stated they are on the same strength level as Olivas , so to make it simple 4.3 Gigatons at least , i don't think i will change anything but i really just wanted to state why i think they were stupid and maybe see if anyone agrees or is willing to hear me out , so far ,
I am starting to get tired of this , read my upper messages , you will see that Nomi has a likely scaling to magnitude seven earthquake feat ( Tokugawa , someone who has experienced 80 years of life in Japan , who would've been accustomed to magnitude six and six point five earthquakes , was acting worried , and since it was just compared to an earthquake ( as well as the next feat as my second reason ) it's safe to assume it means the total seismic energy of one as well ), yujiro has a casually stopping a magnitude seven earthquake feat ( he stopped it in its entirety which would include it's seismic energy , this is in part one when he was infinitely weaker then his later parts ) , he has also been compared to natural disasters , like earthquakes , as well as creating a controlled vibration that was similar to a magnitude six by just getting angry , the Oliva feat is just one , the god tiers have shown feats on the sam level and have done them casually , which would make sense the the highest mid tier would have to use 100% strength to do something the high tiers can do easily
This is the crux of your argument. We cannot simply assume someone has experience they have never shown on screen. We apply Occam's Razor to evidence here on the site; which means the less contrived argument always takes precedence. Assuming someone has experienced magnitude 6 earthquakes with no shown or spoken evidence is more contrived than assuming otherwise, hence we go for the latter.
We simply do not have enough evidence to support any magnitude of the earthquake. There are so many factors to take into account like where the source of the earthquake is, how far away from it was Yujiro, how long was it going on before it reached Yujiro, etc. These are all things we need to take into account and just can't because we lack the evidence from the manga itself.
This is true, yes. Yujiro is leagues above Oliva. But is Oliva has shown feats far above Yujiro's best-shown feats, we do not assume Yujiro scales above those feats without reasonable cause. And as I have explained above, no one has reasonable cause to assume Yujiro is an island buster.
My boy , read the previous messages , the reason why I said Tokugawa would have been used to those earthquakes is because he lives in Japan , which produces 20% of magnitude six or higher earthquakes every single year , he would be used to them and thats a fact
You're using real-world statistics for a fictional verse. The problem with this argument is that unless the author points out that these statistics exist in-universe, we don't assume they do. That's why Ultimate Kars doesn't have the abilities of literally every organic creature on the planet even though he is stated to have them. We only list the abilities he has been shown to use.
Baki takes place on earth and is identical to ours , they even have the correct presidents of the us at the correct times , at this point you are grasping at straws , i have seen times on this same site say that we should use real world things like statistics , let me make it clear to you
I don't have to prove a negative. You have to prove a positive.
your really hanging on to that , as i have already stated , bakis world is identical to our own , tokugawa has lived on japan most of his life , japan accounts for 20% of all magnitude six and higher earthquakes , tokugawa was worried at nomis practicing , he would be used to magnitude six and higher earthquakes , its as easy as connecting the dots
fine by me , i also don't want to argue anymore , i wont change my mind either , good day
I only agree if Yujiro can do a feat like that again.
You misunderstood the quote. The military satellites thst track Oliva are connected to the world's GPS systems. By moving faster than 6 MPH everything connected to those satellites are thrown off by 70 meters or something to that effect.
My god , the man who is the reason for the Baki downgrades , I will admit after rereading it I can see were you are coming from and I will admit , I was wrong on that part , but I still agree with me saying that it was because of Oliva and not the satellites , if we see what you sent then we see that it states that this happens when they also fight , which the Che Guevara Vs Oliva fight had been going on for a while by the time Oliva slammed che into the ground with 100% power , so they would have already been activated , but when Oliva does slam che into the ground , it stated that it was because of him and not satellites that affected everything , it was stated that it was because of his strength and not his speed , so it was a strength feat , which means the walking more then 6 mike's thing isn't related to that feat , which the only other explanation you can come to is that Oliva is so strong that he sent shockwaves thought out the entire earth and affected the GPS , it was an honour talking to the man who managed downgraded Baki , may I ask what you think of my evidence for the yujiro and Nomi feats ( the stuff I used to prove that god tiers also have these likely island level feats )
It was because of him that the GPS systems got thrown out, but it was because of a satellite chain reaction and had absolutely nothing to due with his power.
That's not how GPS works at all. To quote NASA
Causing Earthquakes would have absolutely no effect on a GPS. So it has nothing to do with him. The best the scene shows us is that Olivia can move over 6 MPH. Which we probably could guess anyways.
Thanks for the reply , I'll remember that
