Bakasta vs the stick swinger

[Fezzih_007]

I kinda have a problem with this scans for conceptual hax, but i gonna let Go for now.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yup Reid is built different, he saw a black hole and said that's just air and cut it like it's garbage.

Got lightspeed attacks spammed at him, and was like my sword can cut even light punk.

His general ability is "i can cut whatever i want with skill", ranging from space to concepts, and seemingly including the nonsense that is Regulus who can't be interacted with since he is cut off from time.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yup Reid is built different, he saw a black hole and said that's just air and cut it like it's garbage.

Got lightspeed attacks spammed at him, and was like my sword can cut even light punk.

His general ability is "i can cut whatever i want with skill", ranging from space to concepts, and seemingly including the nonsense that is Regulus who can't be interacted with since he is cut off from time.

Can Reid be resurrected or does he have some form of immortality?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Can Reid be resurrected or does he have some form of immortality?

Nopw, If he dies, he got killed.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Nopw, If he dies, he got killed.

Alright then so it’s who gets one shot first kinda match.

Waiting for @SatellaTheWoE to change to EoS Asta.

 

[Tatsumi504]

this is insanity

First time? It's a pretty regular occurrence

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Alright then so it’s who gets one shot first kinda match.

Waiting for @SatellaTheWoE to change to EoS Asta.

Alr done

 

[VortechsTG]

I feel like Reid’s skill level hasn't been fully explained here. Ram and Wilhelm are very skilled but they're both waaaaaaay below Reid’s level. Despite this they're still able to do insane shit like dodge a supersonic character while depowered to the level of a normal human and use a suit jacket as a weapon as effectively as a sword through just skill alone.

Elsa and Garfiel are able to do things like be able to perfectly counter any attack that has been used before, slow down their perception of time, and fight battles where any delay in thought and action means you get hit. Despite this Garfiel was still frightened by a small fraction of Wilhelm's skill.

That's old Wilhelm who is less skilled and even at his absolute peak he had just taken a single step on the path to the heavenly sword for a short moment.

Maybe I'm missing something. What exactly does Asta have to compare?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I feel like Reid’s skill level hasn't been fully explained here. Ram and Wilhelm are very skilled but they're both waaaaaaay below Reid’s level. Despite this they're still able to do insane shit like dodge a supersonic character while depowered to the level of a normal human and use a suit jacket as a weapon as effectively as a sword through just skill alone.

Elsa and Garfiel are able to do things like be able to perfectly counter any attack that has been used before, slow down their perception of time, and fight battles where any delay in thought and action means you get hit. Despite this Garfiel was still frightened by a small fraction of Wilhelm's skill.

That's old Wilhelm who is less skilled and even at his absolute peak he had just taken a single step on the path to the heavenly sword for a short moment.

Maybe I'm missing something. What exactly does Asta have to compare?

Honestly reading through his profile he could be Garfiel level to Wilhelm level

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I wonder if adding prior knowledge would make things more interesting

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Okay thanks

so lets get this underway.

I wonder if adding prior knowledge would make things more interesting

ehhhh dunno. for a match as close as this anything could tip the scales.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Okay so Reid has a **** ton of ways to kill Asta while Asta has maybe one way.

What is Reid's starting moves.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I feel like Reid’s skill level hasn't been fully explained here. Ram and Wilhelm are very skilled but they're both waaaaaaay below Reid’s level. Despite this they're still able to do insane shit like dodge a supersonic character while depowered to the level of a normal human and use a suit jacket as a weapon as effectively as a sword through just skill alone.

Elsa and Garfiel are able to do things like be able to perfectly counter any attack that has been used before, slow down their perception of time, and fight battles where any delay in thought and action means you get hit. Despite this Garfiel was still frightened by a small fraction of Wilhelm's skill.

That's old Wilhelm who is less skilled and even at his absolute peak he had just taken a single step on the path to the heavenly sword for a short moment.

Maybe I'm missing something. What exactly does Asta have to compare?

We do tend to get hang on Reid cutting stuff cause it's ridiculous but yea, you haven't even touched on the accelerated development, where Old Wilhelm gets stronger in response to a stronger opponent, more accurate. Young Wilhelm gets faster in combat, and even faster when on the verge of death than when he was in full health.

Then there is Peak Wilhelm where with every attack, the angle and intensity gets more precise, so that he can break through his opponents defenses which he couldn't before.

Then there is also info analysis to see the opponents weakest point, and layered precog, since Grimm could predict Carol's attacks.

All that stuff is below Reid.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

We do tend to get hang on Reid cutting stuff cause it's ridiculous but yea, you haven't even touched on the accelerated development, where Old Wilhelm gets stronger in response to a stronger opponent, more accurate. Young Wilhelm gets faster in combat, and even faster when on the verge of death than when he was in full health.

Then there is Peak Wilhelm where with every attack, the angle and intensity gets more precise, so that he can break through his opponents defenses which he couldn't before.

Then there is also info analysis to see the opponents weakest point, and layered precog, since Grimm could predict Carol's attacks.

All that stuff is below Reid.

Asta does have a skill chain against precog users who outskill other precog users etc. Asta can resist precog too, but that depends on the type of precog Reid possesses. This may not matter tho


What are Reid's starting moves?

 

[Fezzih_007]

We do tend to get hang on Reid cutting stuff cause it's ridiculous but yea, you haven't even touched on the accelerated development, where Old Wilhelm gets stronger in response to a stronger opponent, more accurate. Young Wilhelm gets faster in combat, and even faster when on the verge of death than when he was in full health.

Then there is Peak Wilhelm where with every attack, the angle and intensity gets more precise, so that he can break through his opponents defenses which he couldn't before.

Ngl, this all looks pretty normal to me. Like "He get stronger during combat, he gets more precise as he battle" that's just seem like normal Accelearated Develompment.

Then there is also info analysis to see the opponents weakest point
,

Okay that's actually

and layered precog, since Grimm could predict Carol's attacks.

That's actually seems pretty cool trought.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Okay so Reid has a **** ton of ways to kill Asta while Asta has maybe one way.

What is Reid's starting moves.

What you means "tons of ways" he can only kill Asta by cutting him with his sword, what other way he have to kill him?

And he starting move is attacking with his sword, or letting people weaker than him get a free move.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Ngl I never knew you could gain abilities from other people's skills just by being far more skilled than them in general.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

And he starting move is attacking with his sword, or letting people weaker than him get a free move.

Bad Idea, especially the latter, cuz Asta would just one shot with Zetten.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bad Idea, especially the latter, cuz Asta would just one shot with Zetten.

Well Reid can sense his opponents strength and Asta is clearly not weaker than him so he wont do that..probably

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ngl I never knew you could gain abilities from other people's skills just by being far more skilled than them in general.

I also find kinda strange, but it Works like that in Re:ZERO.

Bad Idea, especially the latter, cuz Asta would just one shot with Zetten.

Fortunnaly, he gonna sense that Asta is strong, and not let him get a free shot.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ngl I never knew you could gain abilities from other people's skills just by being far more skilled than them in general.

Re Zero basically has Sword Saints as being the be all end all that no level of training or talent can reach, as long as it's connected to battle they know all the flaws of everyone's fighting style. So even though Theresia doesn't use a axe for example, an axe wielder could never reach her skill.

Once you hit certain levels the same sort of skill feats happen over and over.

If it was just like i am more skilled than this guy, maybe it wouldn't be as legit, but you get stuff like Garfiel slowing down his perception, then Wilhelm also showcases it. Elsa countering danmaku with skill, and then Wilhelm doing the same thing to invisible attacks.

It's repeatedly in your face about it. Elsa blocks an attack she can't see coming, Theresia does it, Garfiel does it, it goes on and on.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Well Reid can sense his opponents strength and Asta is clearly not weaker than him so he wont do that..probably

Fortunnaly, he gonna sense that Asta is strong, and not let him get a free shot.

Then what else would he probably do in character?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Re Zero basically has Sword Saints as being the be all end all that no level of training or talent can reach, as long as it's connected to battle they know all the flaws of everyone's fighting.

Once you hit certain levels the same sort of skill feats happen over and over.

If it was just like i am more skilled than this guy, maybe it wouldn't be as legit, but you get stuff like Garfiel slowing down his perception, then Wilhelm also showcases it. Elsa countering danmaku with skill, and then Wilhelm doing the same thing to invisible attacks.

It's repeadtly in your face about it. Elsa blocks an attack she can't see coming, Theresia does it, Garfiel does it, it goes on and on.

Fair enough.

 

[Fezzih_007]

So bassicaly, they both gonna fight using the swordmanship,? Besides the AP and statics amplification, what else Asta can do?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Then what else would he probably do in character?

Well, first he would be kinda of a asshole, and Second he would start fighting serious after seeing How powerfull Asta is.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Then what else would he probably do in character?

Mock Asta then chop him with his chopsticks sword

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So bassicaly, they both gonna fight using the swordmanship,? Besides the AP and statics amplification, what else Asta can do?

Practically all of his abilities either nullify magic or defensive warrior based skills and abilities.

Reid doesn't use magic right? its just gonna be AP and Stat amp alone for Asta.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Okay, does he use in-character? Like, If he is losing a battle?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Okay, does he use in-character? Like, If he is losing a battle?

There is no losing in this battle, its Reid trying to one shot Asta while stat amped Asta tries to one shot Reid

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Mock Asta then chop him with his chopsticks sword

Bruh,

It looks like Asta is gonna employ Zetten.

Okay, does he use in-character? Like, If he is losing a battle?

He uses it very much in character.

Infact, his first move would be to traform into Devil Union Mode or use a Zetten attack.

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Does Reid have to make contact with Asta to cut him?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bruh,

It looks like Asta is gonna employ Zetten.



He uses it very much in character.

Infact, his first move would be to traform into Devil Union Mode or use a Zetten attack.

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Does Reid have to make contact with Asta to cut him?

Probably? Whats Zetten

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bruh,

It looks like Asta is gonna employ Zetten.

Lol, i do the same

He uses it very much in character.

Infact, his first move would be to traform into Devil Union Mode or use a Zetten attack.

Oh ok then

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Does Reid have to make contact with Asta to cut him?

Yes, he need to cut him.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Why

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So I guess Ill go ahead and vote Asta via Zetten.

While Reid can kill Asta in a single cut, Asta cuts him first.

Zetten amps his attack speed and power by 20x. And he has a massive range of up to spanning thousands of kilometers and hundreds of meters high with Zetten. Does anything Reid have that is able to avoid getting hit by this? If not then i guess Asta wins.

Alternatively, Asta can go Partial Devil Union mode and blitz since that form is also a massive amp in speed and power.

 

[VortechsTG]

Saying that Reid has to hit him is not exactly accurate since Reinhard and Reid essentially create mana lasers that destroy space when they "cut" stuff.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So I guess Ill go ahead and vote Asta via Zetten.

While Reid can kill Asta in a single cut, Asta cuts him first.

Zetten amps his attack speed and power by 20x. And he has a massive range of up to spanning thousands of kilometers and hundreds of meters high with Zetten. Does anything Reid have that is able to avoid getting hit by this? If not then i guess Asta wins.

Alternatively, Asta can go Partial Devil Union mode and blitz since that form is also a massive amp in speed and power.

Then doesnt zetten make this a stomp?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Then doesnt zetten make this a stomp?

I'd say it does but shouldn't his Info analysis and analytical prediction help him read the swing ahead of time and aim dodge or he has no feats of doing that?

 

[Zabazab]

Reid's first move is definitely to swing his sword excitedly since Asta is so strong.

He does have skill based precog that works such that if someone is less skilled then he can see all future attacks as white lines in the air, and he will be able to see their weaknesses and path to victory that will lead to his sword killing his enemy, but if his opponent is more skilled than him the lines of attack become blurry/broken.

Reid can also easily see Asta from the 4km away and cut him from that distance, while Asta would need to transform into Devil Union order to gain a range of kilometres.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Saying that Reid has to hit him is not exactly accurate since Reinhard and Reid essentially create mana lasers that destroy space when they "cut" stuff.

Ok, how does that change the fact he need to hit him?

 

[Zabazab]

He does not need to touch him with his sword.