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It definitely is, and I hope someone translates that soon. I wouldn't be shocked if Sidier is already working on it tbh.
Otherwise, I agree with everything so far.
Otherwise, I agree with everything so far.
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Especially with how we're apparently currently accepting the whole deal, I think it'd be best to evaluate these implications and their validity, as if this is declined this could compromise the validity of the hax being tier 2 to begin with.If we want to really lowball, we can segway that into the next topic: Damnatio Memoriae. By definition, Damnatio Memoriae is Latin for "condemnation of memory", indicating that a person is to be excluded from official accounts, as if they didn’t exist. Here, Moebius is doing it literally. I don’t know what to classify this as, but we do get a hint here: the japanese version of Damnatio Memorie has a simple name: “Erasing Existence”. From what we can see in the SP Skill animation, Moebius attempts to cut off (cut off the line that likely represents timeline, as each are separated from each other) every possible past versions of the victim that leads up to the person that is currently fighting him, destroying all versions of the subject’s past that led them to that point and erasing them from existence. In the video, there are events that don’t actually happen in the main story, such as Gunvolt and Asimov teaming up on Zonda, when in the main story, Asimov should be dead at that time- in addition, Asimov is wearing his glasses while using his Azure Striker Septima, when he normally has to take those off to use his Septima. Of course, this is all an educated guess, so… maybe this would be more of a “possibly/likely Timeline Manipulation and Existence Erasure”- but honestly I feel like it’s pretty clear cut.
There's also the fact that the target either is damaged or Prevades this attack, but isn't instantly killed. So does that mean Type 1 Acausality or just normal resistance if we accord to the above?
Notice that I said “possible pasts (timelines of their past) represented lines”, we could possibly scale Damnatio Memorie to Astral Order’s hax tier- as there is only so many (time)lines drawn on the screen (19 of them), we could lowball Astral Order’s hax to be 19 universes (2-C) to be concrete, and attach a “possibly/likely” Multiversal+ Astral Order.
So for conclusions for Astral Order, it’d be Precognition and Fate Manipulation (4D - Low Multiversal, possibly/likely Multiversal+), but I'll let the mods be the judge of this. Of course, abilities that help resist Astral Order such as Golden Trillion and Djinn (and The Muse due to being the same type of Stand)
It's hax, not AP. End of story.Okay, after discussing about it around the ASG circle, there's something worth discussing.
Okay, we accept that the fate stuff and Damnatio Memorae are 2-A hax.
The issue? The latter is AP as far I can tell, we're accepting a character erasing multiple timelines as hax, which'd be Environmental Destruction at worst (I'd lean more into AP as the dude is literally tossing the universes around to the target as far visuals go), so I'd like to hear thoughts on the matter.
From the OP:
Especially with how we're apparently currently accepting the whole deal, I think it'd be best to evaluate these implications and their validity, as if this is declined this could compromise the validity of the hax being tier 2 to begin with.
Now if anyone besides Morb-GV and probably Kirin would scale to this is up to debate either way.
I mean, technically Astral Order has shown that it can do some other various things, such as induce death or hack into the Utu Media Tower to spread Dragon Radiation.But Astral Order chooses a pre-made future, it’s not that they make a universe to follow that fate, Astral Order finds a timeline to choose rather than create one
they choose a hiking trail, not make one
Notified of what, that you're trying to wank physicals to 2-A based on what is clearly hax?Bump.
Perhaps staff should be notified?
Well, I don't have an input on Multiversal+ GV aside from "oh no my super spy GV", but that's been long gone since GV3's promotions tbh, I guess if you're willing to go that far... no one can really stop you from asking staffBump.
Perhaps staff should be notified?
Notified of what, that you're trying to wank physicals to 2-A based on what is clearly hax?
Eh, thing is that by defintion this is literally an AP feat and it'd be arbitrarily inappropiate to classify it as something else when it isn't just for convenience, if anything just make the scaling for anyone but GV an outlier as there's little justification for everyone else, although I recall Kirin was amped, and Zed also scaling by extension wouldn't be too crazy as I don't recall a proper reason for anyone else to scale to him either way.
No, it's not. You're just misinterpreting the feat to a dire level. Moebius isn't destroying universes.Eh, thing is that by defintion this is literally an AP feat and it'd be arbitrarily inappropiate to classify it as something else when it isn't just for convenience, if anything just make the scaling for anyone but GV an outlier as there's little justification for everyone else, although I recall Kirin was amped, and Zed also scaling by extension wouldn't be too crazy as I don't recall a proper reason for anyone else to scale to him either way.
Uh... that's literally what the OP is arguing for at the moment, and in fact a part of the (currently accepted) argument for Astral Order to be 2-A, as said before, all I'm doing is exploring the implications of the current stuff being accepted and if they'd be appropiate.No, it's not. You're just misinterpreting the feat to a dire level. Moebius isn't destroying universes.
I don't need to explain that erasing timelines are among the most blatant tier 2 feats on the site, especially with how he's tossing them around to the target, so at worst it'd be 2-C outside outliers or the whole argument for tier 2 hax being compromised out of losing one of its main backbones.If we want to really lowball, we can segway that into the next topic: Damnatio Memoriae. By definition, Damnatio Memoriae is Latin for "condemnation of memory", indicating that a person is to be excluded from official accounts, as if they didn’t exist. Here, Moebius is doing it literally. I don’t know what to classify this as, but we do get a hint here: the japanese version of Damnatio Memorie has a simple name: “Erasing Existence”. From what we can see in the SP Skill animation, Moebius attempts to cut off (cut off the line that likely represents timeline, as each are separated from each other) every possible past versions of the victim that leads up to the person that is currently fighting him, destroying all versions of the subject’s past that led them to that point and erasing them from existence. In the video, there are events that don’t actually happen in the main story, such as Gunvolt and Asimov teaming up on Zonda, when in the main story, Asimov should be dead at that time- in addition, Asimov is wearing his glasses while using his Azure Striker Septima, when he normally has to take those off to use his Septima. Of course, this is all an educated guess, so… maybe this would be more of a “possibly/likely Timeline Manipulation and Existence Erasure”- but honestly I feel like it’s pretty clear cut.
There's also the fact that the target either is damaged or Prevades this attack, but isn't instantly killed. So does that mean Type 1 Acausality or just normal resistance if we accord to the above?
Notice that I said “possible pasts (timelines of their past) represented lines”, we could possibly scale Damnatio Memorie to Astral Order’s hax tier- as there is only so many (time)lines drawn on the screen (19 of them), we could lowball Astral Order’s hax to be 19 universes (2-C) to be concrete, and attach a “possibly/likely” Multiversal+ Astral Order.
So for conclusions for Astral Order, it’d be Precognition and Fate Manipulation (4D - Low Multiversal, possibly/likely Multiversal+), but I'll let the mods be the judge of this. Of course, abilities that help resist Astral Order such as Golden Trillion and Djinn (and The Muse due to being the same type of Stand)
What's the current topic here?
He means, scaling to it physically, I'm quite sure everyone agrees with Gunvolt having the 2-A Hax with the new patched up True Ending, where he flat out controls Astral Order.Moebius having 2-A hax via Astral Order/Damnatio Memoriae, and everyone arguing about who, if anyone, scales to it.
It's not a normal motorcycle. This shit can easily ram through crystals with tier 7 durability several times over. Not to mention Nori has the budget to get a small spacecraft, do you really think she's gonna have an ordinary motorcycle? That'd be like Batman using a regular car.Not even counting that Nori, a normal person on a normal motorcycle
That's because of the speed of the elevator, not to mention him fighting Merak, Stratos, Viper, Jota, Elise, Copen, Nova, Carrera and Asimov in that time.That still doesn't solve the logical inconsistencies of storming a base taking minutes (in GV's case storming the orbital elevator took an entire night)
Rule of cool and she also probably dosn't have just a normal motorcycle. Also, she got off of it as soon as she actually got into the facility.Kirin using a motorcycle instead of being on foot to storm the Sumeragi research facility
I don't see how this is an anti-feat for speed at allCopen stating the G-forces of his bullit dashes kill normal people
You only discussed Nori. Also, even without the whole "being a demon" thing, Nori's considerably above normal humans in the verse. Copen believed she could single-handedly take down an entire Sumeragi facility with nothing but a big gun, and she was able to cut through Asmiov's Voltaic Chains with a normal knife, as well as getting Copen out of the way of said chains after they started going after him. Nori is blatantly superhuman, regardless of weather or not she's a demon.and everything else I discussed.
Blatant game mechanics. Literal hitscan is unfair for a video game boss' projectiles.Overall, in the first place I just think it's wrong to pixel scale Copen's laser shots, since in the Copen boss fight, they're much, much slower, making it inconsistent anyways.
not his calc lolwhich your calc implies
Copen's laser shots are slowed down so that they player can dodge it, tbh i was about to make a speed calc with GV running alongside the laser tbh, and that shot is confirmed to be photons, I have a literal GV Lightspeed compendium for consistencyOverall, in the first place I just think it's wrong to pixel scale Copen's laser shots, since in the Copen boss fight, they're much, much slower, making it inconsistent anyways. Plus, we have different calcs by now to use as AP, so we don't even need the Ghauri calc for AP anymore.
deadass? where?Copen believed she could single-handedly take down an entire Sumeragi facility with nothing but a big gun
In the Drama CD.deadass? where?
bruh which oneIn the Drama CD.
I wanna get Moebius, Zed, and Kirin (and GV technically) done before we do that, so I'll let you guys deal with thatSo just played the DLC with Nova in it. This clearly cant be a Serpentine illusion as they would have made mention of it. And Kirin and Nova got sent to another world. But Nova here is clearly the same Nova who fought GV in the past. And now has the Azure Striker Septima in him, cause....reasons? He couldn't control it but now he can now with it implanted in him on top of his other Septima? Granted Kirin says he is struggling to use both Septimas at the same time, but still. It gives me so many questions, like, how did Nova end up in this world? How did he survive? I mean on one hand, it does give us the answer that Nova does scale to GV, but the logistics and unanswered questions don't help. Hell, they flat out just leave him there to return to their world. And again I have strong doubts about it being an illusion cause they make no mention of it, and Serpentine was already beaten at this point. And then there is the revised ending, showing Gunvolt and Moebius combining their power to reverse a doomed future.
Actually, that fully lends more credence to the iX 2 Kirin dlc fight being canon as well. She implied during that dlc that Moebius could send you to other worlds, long before GV 3 came out. Actually if I recall right the boss rush for GV 3 says its another world as well. So if Kirin can be sent to fight Copen, I guess her and GV being sent to fight a surviving Nova isn't out of the question. Difference being Copen actually wins his fight against her while Nova doesn't.Astral Order is already 2-A hax, timeline-hopping bullshit is well within its range. So presumably Moebius launched us over to a world where Nova survived somehow, either accidentally or on purpose.