Avatar revisions - Iroh, Ozai, and Azula

[Maverick_Zero_X]

AP Upgrades​

Iroh blowing a hole in the outer wall of Ba Sing Se was calced at 8-B+, which would upgrade his Sozin's Comet key. This would likely scale to Comet-amped Ozai, as Iroh was uncertain he could defeat him.

Azula Profile Revision​

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^An update to Azula's profile, most notably an expansion of her P&A section, adding references, and a Post-Series key.

Also I changed her Striking Strength to Unknown across the board, as all her Tier 8 feats were done with Pyrokinesis and her profile doesn't list any reasoning for her physical strength to scale to her fire.

 

[Dalesean027]

Looks good

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Agreed

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The updates look fine, I agree.

 

[Reiner04]

Looks good

 

[Kachon123]

I agree

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Didn't Zuko easily break a chain with just his foot in Book 1? Couldn't that be used as striking strength jurisdiction or am I missing something?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well, they do use body movements and strikes to generate their bending capabilities, but it's still an after effect and benders are typically just as vulnerable as non benders when restrained and/or deprived of elements to bend, so I still agree with that regardless.

Anyway, it looks good to me.

 

[Excellence616]

Agreed

 

[Propellus]

Seems good

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Also I changed her Striking Strength to Unknown across the board, as all her Tier 8 feats were done with Pyrokinesis and her profile doesn't list any reasoning for her physical strength to scale to her fire.

People in Avatar literally tank bendings all the time (Hell, the pro bending game is literally based on knocking people with bending), so they'd be Tier 8 in Durability

There are many, many examples of benders and non-benders tanking bending attacks all the time, such as Agni Kai, that Earthbending tournament, the game Aang played with Sokka on the southern air temple, Zuko being directly blasted by Aang's airbending into a wall and many more examples

Zuko also survived an explosion while he was off guard and didn't had time to react

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

People in Avatar literally tank bendings all the time (Hell, the pro bending game is literally based on knocking people with bending), so they'd be Tier 8 in Durability

There are many, many examples of benders and non-benders tanking bending attacks all the time, such as Agni Kai, that Earthbending tournament, the game Aang played with Sokka on the southern air temple, Zuko being directly blasted by Aang's airbending into a wall and many more examples

Zuko also survived an explosion while he was off guard and didn't had time to react

Durability tends to be heavily case by case; I am aware Kai survived a point blank Combusion bending from P'Li and Aang has survived brutal beatings from Ozai before going Avatar state and turning tables. So I think durability could be variable and which it depends on Chi being focused usually.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

People in Avatar literally tank bendings all the time (Hell, the pro bending game is literally based on knocking people with bending), so they'd be Tier 8 in Durability

There are many, many examples of benders and non-benders tanking bending attacks all the time, such as Agni Kai, that Earthbending tournament, the game Aang played with Sokka on the southern air temple, Zuko being directly blasted by Aang's airbending into a wall and many more examples

Zuko also survived an explosion while he was off guard and didn't had time to react

Yeah I'm not changing any of the durability ratings, High 8-C/8-B dura is fine

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Durability tends to be heavily case by case; I am aware Kai survived a point blank Combusion bending from P'Li and Aang has survived brutal beatings from Ozai before going Avatar state and turning tables. So I think durability could be variable and which it depends on Chi being focused usually.

Kai scaling to P'Li is probably an outlier given how powerful combustion being is

But that doesn't change the fact that even non-benders can survive attacks from benders, and the non-benders can't ultilize Chi (nor it was ever said chi was the reason they tanked it. This isn't DB where it's directly based on this energy system they use)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yeah I'm not changing any of the durability ratings, High 8-C/8-B dura is fine

I'm just saying that they should have High 8-C/8-B durability straight up, not only with shields

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Kai scaling to P'Li is probably an outlier given how powerful combustion being is

But that doesn't change the fact that even non-benders can survive attacks from benders, and the non-benders can't ultilize Chi (nor it was ever said chi was the reason they tanked it. This isn't DB where it's directly based on this energy system they use)

Well yes, though otherwise "Durability drops when distracted" is still the common trope. Though as Mav said no plans to downgrade durability, just striking strength.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Well yes, though otherwise "Durability drops when distracted" is still the common trope. Though as Mav said no plans to downgrade durability, just striking strength.

Fine then

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I'm just saying that they should have High 8-C/8-B durability straight up, not only with shields

I agree. I plan to upgrade Aang's durability sometime later since 9-B/9-A is downplay.

 

[SilentLyfe]

Looks good

 

[Propellus]

I agree. I plan to upgrade Aang's durability sometime later since 9-B/9-A is downplay.

Also, you might as well upgrade Book 1 aang's airbending to straight up 8-C, since it doesn't make sense for his airbending to be weaker than his waterbending when they aren't really that different

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Also, you might as well upgrade Book 1 aang's airbending to straight up 8-C, since it doesn't make sense for his airbending to be weaker than his waterbending when they aren't really that different

Agreed. Zhao and Zuko are both 8-C yet Aang kept up with both even with just airbending