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Avatar Aang downgrades (Possible)

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After talking about Avatar with some people and thinking about it for a bit, I wanted to try and address some issues regarding the feats from other Avatars. The calcs from previous Avatars, like the Volcano, are done well and are fine, that's not where the problem comes from. What is a problem though is how they are being scaled here. I'll start with Korra first and then get to my 2nd thing.

1.) From Aang's page - "City level via power-scaling (From other adult Avatars and his successor, Korra, was able to redirect the energy of the Spirit Energy Cannon, which vaporized a large portion of a mountai)"

Basically, what the bolded words are saying here is that Aang is City level because of Korra, his successor, redirects a spirit beam from Kuvira's spirit cannon via AS. Now the feat itself is no problem. However, what is a problem here is the assumption that Aang should actually scale from Korra's AS. Exactly why should he? Incase anyone doesn't remember from S2, Korra became disconnected from Aang and the previous past Avatars because Unalaq destroyed Raava. Putting it blatently, Korra can't access their strengths, skills and knowledge through her own AS anymore. She is only connected with Raava and her AS from this point on is just a big power boost to her bending. Because she and Aang are no longer connected, there is no reason to suddenly assume Aang's Avatar State is just as strong or even on par with Korra's AS when facing Kuvira EoS. Remember, this is the very last feat Korra pulls off in AS when at her strongest in the series and because no Avatar before her is connected to her to provide her with their power, Korra is simply relying on her own independant strength (that and because of her lost connection she has a deeper connection to Raava than any Avatar sans Wan) instead of the past Avatars, making it unreasonable to believe they can suddenly scale toward this.

Speaking of the Avatar State, that brings me to my second issue with his City rating..

2.) About the Avatar State...why are we assuming that each and every single Avatar is as equally strong as the one who does a feat on their own? For example, the Fire Avatar that did the Volcano feat and assuming that every Avatar using AS is equally as strong. This would kind of be headcanon. The Avatar State is explicity mentioned to be a mechanism for the current Avatar to possess the combined strength of every single one of their past lives when using it. What does that mean? It means when an Avatar does a feat in the AS, they use the combined strength of every Avatar to do that specific feat. So for the Volcano feat for instance (and we know the Fire Avatar was using the AS as that was a part of Roku's explanation to Aang), every Avatar that scales wouldnt (or rather shouldn't) be City level Individually. They would be partically that level individually when combining in one Avatars body to perform that one feat.

Now this probably wouldn't downgrade Aang from City if anything, just make him lower in the tier most likely.
 
Well, given that the avatars are all the same person with the same power source, I think that it makes sense to scale them from each other, but it is best if you use the Knowledgeable Members List and supporters/neutral sections of the Avatar: The Last Airbender verse page to find people to ask to comment here.
 
If anything, Korra post season 2 would have the least potential of any Avatar due to losing the connection and powers of the previous Avatars.
 
The real cal howard said:
If anything, Korra post season 2 would have the least potential of any Avatar due to losing the connection and powers of the previous Avatars.
^^^^^^^^^
 
IIRC, Korra having the "least potential" is really more her lacking the spiritual side of bending since she's the exact opposite of Aang. And really, I don't see what makes Post-Season 2 Korra any weaker than the previous Avatar line. Her doing stuff like giant spiritual projection, spirit cleansing, having a better connection to Raava, spirit bending (I THINK thats what it's called) and so on are things no avatar before her has ever been able to acomplish, not even Aang.

What I just said could be up to personal interpretation, and im fine with that, but my overall point regarding Korra is her AS city feat is a feat done by only her power and not the combined power of all avatars through the Avatar State. Because of that, we shouldnt automatically assume that its a feat the previous line can scale to via her being still weaker when EoS Korra can quite likely be superior to them.
 
"I don't see what makes Post-Season 2 Korra any weaker than the previous Avatar line."

Having Raava die and losing her links to all the previous Avatars?
 
Likely how? What indicates that she is the best Avatar to ever exist? Because I would argue Aang has her beat with doing his job as a twelve year old boi.
 
"Having Raava die"

She didn't die. Jinora found her inside UnaVaatu, Korra pulled her back out and refused with her to make a new Avatar cycle. In fact, Raava can be argued to be even stronger post-ressurection since, when Unalaq destroyed her, she was tiny like when she was weakened in the past. But when Korra defeated him she was normal sized which shows she's at normal power.
 
Even if Korea isn't weaker, having her be completely superior after that kind of split seems nonsensical
 
If this was lets say, S3 Korra, i'd agree with you Yobo

But the Korra in question is her EoS, doing spirit bending to perform a city feat, which literally no Avatar before her is at sans the Firenation volcano one without scaling (who needed all Avatar powers to do it). Im not arguing Korra pre-S4 is stronger than the previous Avatar line but what I am questioning is what evidence proves EoS Korra is still currently weaker then them?
 
I agree with the other staff members.

The Avatars should logically scale from each other in terms of raw power, even if Korra's memories of past lives were destroyed.

Given that Vaatu was locked up, I think that Raava should also be of comparable strength for each of them.

We should probably close this thread.
 
With all due respect Ant, that type of scaling makes no sense.

It's not just a matter of memories being inaccesable. Korra after S2 can no longer draw on their power for any feat she does with her AS because their connection is, well, disconnected. The Avatar State for her then to the end of the series is just a power boost to her bending. Any feat that she does with her Independant Avatar State should not scale to the previous Avatar line if its one she does with just her own separate capabilities and no evidence that they are comparable to the feat, or even being superior to EoS Korra.
 
Memories are not power. She is still the same person, with the same power source. She essentially just has permanent amnesia.
 
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