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Athena vs Dio

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I think I understand the logic of 3D / 4D Godly:

  • 3D Godly = Return from a simple EE
  • 4D Godly = Back from a Timeline Bust
However I understand the logic of 4D

  • The 4D Godly> 3D Only if you do not have TPI or are acausal, because if you erase the Timeline, you can not come back even if you have 3D Godly because you never exist, your past does not exist so your Godly Regen does not exist ect ... it's a kind of paradox
  • Whereas if you are Acausal / TPI and you have Mid Godly, Timeline Erasure is nothing because you can exist independently of your past.
In summary, 3D / 4D Godly Regen does not exist, it is only:

  • Mid Godly Regen + 3D Being < Timeline Buster because your past is Erased
  • Mid Godly Regen + 4D Being (Acausal/TPI) > Timeline Buster because TPI / Acausal
 
@J-Man Yeah, no. Basic Mid-Godly (which what BIG has) alone allows you to comeback from normal erasure (which what Dio has, just that he has better range). The fact BIG is only 3-D in power while TWOH is 4-D should be a dead give away why Dio would be able to Erase BIG. Unless shown otherwise, BIG Mid-Godly is inferior to any 4-D Mid-Godly out there.
 
I don't think this 4-D 3-D regen crap is relevant as Athena is a solid 4-D being/Abstract so anything involving her is 4-D.
 
Yes except there is outright no such thing as 4D or 3D midgodly.

There would be 4D or 5D or above highgodly but midgodly is defined as just coming back from nothing.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I don't this 4-D 3-D regen crap is relevant as Athena is a solid 4-D being/Abstract so anything involving her is 4-D.
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Well, he is the one who brought up that BIG Mid-Godly=Athena Mid-Godly. I'm just being a devil advocate and explained why you can't use that as an example.
 
Jojo is being seriously overrated and exaggerated here.

First of all, Dio is not a god nor has direct blessing from a god. So he's down with sensorial and mental shutdown.

If it didn't work passively, she can go and just do it passively so LMAO.

Time stop doesn't work because time stop resistance in Saint Seiya is absurd. Time stop that works on bronze saints won't work on silver saints, and that which works on silver won't work on gold, and likewise for top-tier golds, god cloths, and then finally God level people.

Good luck erasing Athena when she has Eternal Atoms Mid-Godly edition + Abstract Existence. Also unlike JoJo the soul in Saint Seiya is just as durable as the body, so soul damage won't instantly save him.

Athena can also attack him in the past should she want
 
Also Probability + Fate Manipulation due to wielding the embodiment of victory as her weapon, which allows her to defeat superior foes like Hades.
 
That is usually your answer for literally everything matt.

Oh what is jesus christ?

How many have ifinite speed? None? Time stop fine.

If a pissweak dio can pull off a multiversal erase and other midgodly users are no threat because he can just smite then and there he should be fine.

For someone who complains about ysers not reading profiles ya obviously dont to that yourself. >Paradoxing dio when he is acasual.
 
>Probability and fate manipulation.

Hax experience. Has that himself actually when utilizaing the saint corpse.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
If a pissweak dio can pull off a multiversal erase and other midgodly users are no threat because he can just smite then and there he should be fine.
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Do not confuse Resistance to EE and Bypass Mid Godly, Athena can tank Erasure which Bypass Mid Godly
 
Yeah and the dio who was capable of doing that is almost infinitely weaker than eog dio.

And tank? Not come back (thinking almost akin to gretchen) or not used at all?
 
Excluding the fact it comes directly off 2-A power or the fact he can erase bar none all beings within the JoJo multiverse with one exception. Being literal god.
 
There exists litterally no 4D midgodly or 3D midgodly. What ya described outright not a thing. Make a thread or some shit then if ya want but first ive heard of some arbitrary definition of midgodly.
 
For a full 3D (without 4D powers) to regenerate from a 4D erasure an that if his spacetime, he would need High-Godly

Thought, regenerating from 4D erasure > regenerating from 3D one.
 
So just back paddling now?

His erasure 4D and would work on midgodly. If it would work on midgodly then the only thing in his way is moot.

Also how long did regenerating take? An hour? That would be incapacitation excluding the fact dio also had mind control. A thing Athena had no resistance listed.
 
Once again J-Man, you exaggerate the hell out of JoJo. If only literally anyone in this wiki bought into what you have to say about it.

Dio isn't Jesus try again and in the context of Saint Seiya JC isn't really a god.

Infinite Speed is still defined by the Distance / Time equation. Time Stop is Time Stop regardless, and the one Athena resists from is much better than Jojo.

No he isn't fine, the other guys are just weak. Everyone in Jojo is a glasscannon, even this Dio doesn't have Tier 2 durability.

You obviously didn't read Athena's since you think she can't do anything against Dio. All his "hax" is stuff even Gold Saints have dealt with, and hers is on a much higher scale, and there's literally no way he can put her down.

"Hax experience" isn't a thing. He has no defense against either, and if you want to talk about experience Athena is much more experienced and smarter than Dio.

She wins.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
So just back paddling now?
His erasure 4D and would work on midgodly. If it would work on midgodly then the only thing in his way is moot.

Also how long did regenerating take? An hour? That would be incapacitation excluding the fact dio also had mind control. A thing Athena had no resistance listed.
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You are the one repeating.

His erasure is shit and would not work on Saint Seiya Mid-Godly, nor Saint Seiya gods with Existence Erasure resistance.

Athena can just throw Dio into the Hyperdimension, an entire universe where everyone who enters it is erased in body and soul instantly. She can live there just fine.

Athena can easily mind control Dio and in fact has Resistance to Mind Manipulation.
 
Virtually everyone agrees that the profiles are exaggerated. 2-C durability for a guy who survived Big Bangs due to Regenerationn, and no context of how far from the epicenter? Lma.
 
Matt ya do that for many many things. Not just me.

Dio llitterally fused with the saint corpse. Which defkects misfortune away from dio (even shit from himself when he did not have the body). And equalization Matthew of which jesus would be the highest god of the jojo universe minus actual god.

Matt infinite speed grants almost a night immunity of time stop. This has been a thing for awhile. Any time stop working on an infinite would instantky be above what athena endured.

And? His ability and hax mitigates his durability


Pot calling kettle black matyhew. Saints have dealt with 2-A reality warping? 2-A mindcontrol? Time stop outright and quite litterally infinitely above any time stop within saint seiya?. Or multiversal bfr? Didnt think so. Or maybe saint seiya had multiversal power all this time?

Ticket to Ride will protect him from hax though? May even deflect hax on athena.


Opinions especially when ya clearly arent even aware he holds the saint corpse and even absorbed the body.

Dio defkects initial had and time stops leading into any of the multitude of things athena has a lack of resistance for.
 
Equalization but only for your side, I see? Jesus isn't a God in Saint Seiya, and the Christian God doesn't exist, Christianity is just a misinterpretation of the Greco-Roman Pantheon in-universe. Jesus qualifies more for a Buddha than anything.

No it doesn't. Time stop is time stop. Without time someone who depends on the distance / time equation can move. It is illogical to suggest otherwise.

His hax which pales before Athena's?

Mind control is Mind control. 2-A isn't a thing for it. His time stop is inferior to Saint Seiya Time Stop no matter how much you insist otherwise. Dio isn't a Reality Warper. Multiversal BFR is common in Saint Seiya even for Gold Saints.

Gods from Saint Seiya can deflect all attacks passively so try again.

You are assuming Dio opens with hax when he doesn't, and just assuming all his hax will work on Athena when literally nothing he has can work on her. Meanwhile she is superior in every way.
 
Homu Sweet Homu said:
When did DIO erased someone with Mid-Godly tho?
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I'ts implied that he succesfully erased Notorius B.I.G., thought he probably did that along with the Universe the latter was in, so that doesn't really count.
 
Why can't you two debate with each other without being confrontational?

It doesn't matter what Matt does to other verses, that doesn't invalidate his claim. What he does to other verses is irrelvant here. Plain and simple. Stop bringing this shit up. It is annoying.
 
DMB 1 said:
I'ts implied that he succesfully erased Notorius B.I.G., thought he probably did that along with the Universe the latter was in, so that doesn't really count.
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So RIP, can't erase Athena. Also even if he could erase her body and soul, if any aspect of their existence remains she would return in minutes. It's like Eternal Atoms. Add that to Conceptual Type 8 Immortality and Dio literally cannot put her down.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Why can't you two debate with each other without being confrontational?
It doesn't matter what Matt does to other verses, that does in invalidate his claim. What he does to other verses is irrelvant here. Plain and simple. Stop bringing this shit up. It is annoying.
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Completely agree
Anyway;

 
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