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Asta vs Sasuke
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Oh, sorry
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Sasuke FRA and no the sword won't negate the cursemark enhancements. The curse mark also physically enhancing the users not just with chakra and actually modifies their body.
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The fact that the transformation is largely chakra however makes it so that any hits with the sword would actually compromise the transformation sasuke gets, since its largely chakra enhancement which has been equalized to magic.
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Thats not at all how it would be. Unlike Naruro, Sasukes curse mark is fusee into his body. So he wont be turning him back to his base form.Epsilon R said:
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Huh??? Kurama influences is entirely different than Curse Mark transformation
Firstly we can't equalize Sasuke and Asta because Sasuke is using natural energy not regular chakra so we can't equal that to regular Magic.
Secondly Sasuke is physically strong
Firstly we can't equalize Sasuke and Asta because Sasuke is using natural energy not regular chakra so we can't equal that to regular Magic.
Secondly Sasuke is physically strong
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What Astral and Yung said. Sasuke usn't reverting to base unless Asta has feats of reverting someone who was physically altered by magic. The natural energy aspect is also a problem.
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Except he is not physically altered, he just has a cloak, a lot like a chakra cloak(based on the image on his profile.)
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The issue is that the cursed seal is creating a poor immitation of nature chakra, which would be negated and absorbed by asta's anti magic. Just because it comes with a physical transformation that doesn't mean that it isn't chakra based. What separates luffy from sasuke in this case is that the devil fruit is unexplained and does not translate at all to magic. It's more of a mutation than it is magic. The curse mark however is explained and still utilizes chakra so it should be treated as such.
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Its a tranformation fueled by magic, cutting magic wont affect the tranformation in anyway,
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Yes it would, Sasuke draws upon the chakra from the cursed seal. If he can't access it, he can;t maintain his transformation.
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The cursed seal has already transformed his body, he is not continuously drawing power from it. Regardless natural energy is not even comparable to chakra. Thus can not be used as an equivalent to magic.
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Nature energy however does mix with chakra, which is how sage users use it, even if they're terrible ones like the cursed mark users. And what indication is there that Sasuke isn't continiusly drawing upon the cursed seal to maintain his transformation?
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Rather you have to prove it is continous not me, I cant prove a negative.
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Yes, yes you can prove a negative
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No, no you cant. And asking me to do so is a fallacy, you have to prove that it is continuous.Duedate8898 said:
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I wasn't talking about Spirit Ladros. Ladros has jewels in his forehead which increases his magic power as well as making modifications in his body and personalityRocker1189 said:
Like Cursed seal, he receives increased chakra (mana) levels and physical modifications
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Yeah but it does not physically change his body into another form. Like the curse mark.
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It does matter. The point is about chnaging the body in ohysical ways, not simply giving a buff via magic.
CS1 does change his body, that is that those markings are. Also I was assuming it was CS2.
CS1 does change his body, that is that those markings are. Also I was assuming it was CS2.
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@Rocker
In actuality, you're going for the fallacy. In naruto, there is no such thing as an endless transformation. Sage mode by its very nature is a transformation that runs on continusly drawing upon nature energy to maintain. That's the entire reason naruto has to rely on shadow clones to keep his going, Kabuto gets through it by his combination with the snake, and Jiraiya through the toads. In that case, its only natural to assume that in order to maintain his transformation, Sasuke's require a continuous sorce of sage chakra, which is something that he can be cut off from.
In actuality, you're going for the fallacy. In naruto, there is no such thing as an endless transformation. Sage mode by its very nature is a transformation that runs on continusly drawing upon nature energy to maintain. That's the entire reason naruto has to rely on shadow clones to keep his going, Kabuto gets through it by his combination with the snake, and Jiraiya through the toads. In that case, its only natural to assume that in order to maintain his transformation, Sasuke's require a continuous sorce of sage chakra, which is something that he can be cut off from.
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Except he isn't, no one said that, Sasuke isn't using Sage Mode, Sage Mode doesn't require constant natural energy to maintain at all, Sage Mode isn't physically altering his body beyond contacts and eye shadow, Sasuke has literal wings as part of his anatomy from CS2, Naruto uses clones to replenish his natural energy because he doesn't have time to sit down and gather more (note that once he enters it, it stays even though he isn't absorbing anymore natural energy) and Kabuto bypasses the time limit with Jugo's Kekkei Genkai which passively absorbs natural energy.
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Anonymous answered for me, you got the entire mechanics of sage mode wrong.Duedate8898 said:
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That's only how sage mode works when mastered and not tainted like that of those who use the cursed seal. None of the curse sealed mark users are proper sages and the senjutsu they use is one that has been malformed, that's why they transform like Jugo does. That's also why the transformation themselves hurts their bodies and drains their chakra. This is still sage mode, which means it uses chakra as the fuel for its tranformation.
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But ...... its not Sage Mode? Jiraiya didn't master it, his worked the same way as normal. None of them are Sages at all, they transform like Jugo because its based on Jugo's Sage Transformation. You can't even argue its Sage Chakra like Naruto moulds cuz if it was, Jugo wouldn't go berserk explicitly due to his body not balancing the Natural Energy with his chakra, ie not balancing it which results in Sage Chakra.
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They're using senjutsu.
Very clearly stated that Senjutsu is within the curse mark.
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But thats not what your scan says. It says there is senjutsu in them and that the senjutsu is like pieces of his consciousness, not that the users use the senjutsu.
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True, however the power the users draw upon comes in part from Orochimaru. Which means they would have to use his Senjutsu
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I count 6 for Sasuke and still 3 for Asta.
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