Assasins vs the Maid (Zeno and Silva vs Ram) 7-1-0

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

already explained this multiple times but they will be surprised by the fact that they got slashed instantly, they wouldnt know what happened until they get hit a couple of times which is gonna happen nigh instantly. They also dont have instinctive reaction on the level of Ram or anybody around her to actually be able to dodge it.

It doesn't take a master of instinctive reaction to realize your getting hit in a certain area and decide to move out of it

she could dodge Garfiel while he was 180 times faster than her with skill

With her analytical prediction no doubt

whats the range of their En?

Anywhere from a few cm to 300 meters

its really not

That Gon feat is valid but to let you know on how that works in ReZero
1. Emilia without any training of any combat can dodge multiple arrows which she cant properly percieve
2. No attack works on Elsa twice, even if its used as danmaku due to her making a perfect counter to that move
Actually i am too tired and there are just too many feats. Just read the ReZero skill blog to get an idea of how good Ram is.

i wish i could say this was the case but the skill feats arent relative

I know their not relative but they don't need to be relative when it's 2 on 1 like this

Also being able to dodge a static attack after seeing it before does not mean you can dodge homing attack's faster then Zeno's movement speed

The way the match is set up it just isn't possible with equalized speed

she has multiple types of precog and she can use them to dodge attacks coming at her hundreds of times faster than her. Unless they can counter that level of precog/AP they arent going to faze her. She can also copy any of their techniques that she feels would be worth it, this also includes physical enhancements so we should keep that in our minds too.

One of them is not applicable due to two opponents and the others can be countered by ranged attacks and one person taking the brunt of the fight

 

[Passersby]

thats not even mildly comparable to Ram. She fought against Ley Batenkaitos who has eaten over 10,000 people and should have a comparable combat experience to that + has eaten multiple transcendent geniuses. that feat is Garfiel level who Ram can thrash at human level strength with just skill alone

let me just say that "she fought him" here means she overwhelmed him with strenght he couldn't handle

That excelling blitz, specialising in all possible orientations, was shut down by Ram through outstripping violence.
She guillotined those monumental techniques of hundreds, of thousands, using might worth millions. This was what the battle had now come to be.

and she only managed to follow his movements trough clairvoyance, the poor bastard had no way to deal with that

point is she is nowhere near as skilled as he is


also this

that feat is Garfiel level who Ram can thrash at human level strength with just skill alone

no, you're way overesitmating ram's abilities here, even if you disagree with this thread , she was in no way shape or form trashing him, she was trying to run away

and yeah, that feat is still bs and should be removed

 

[Passersby]

With her analytical prediction no doubt

....my friend, he is talking in CQC, i beleive you should realize how "skill" ain't even a factor here, that's straight up impossible

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

....my friend, he is talking in CQC, i beleive you should realize how "skill" ain't even a factor here, that's straight up impossible

Idn man most LN have characters do straight up impossible shit and justify it through their """"""""Skill""""""""

 

[Passersby]

Idn man most LN have characters do straight up impossible shit and justify it through their """"""""Skill""""""""

which we ignore as bs skill because that's a physically impossible to do

as soon as she moves a cm, he can move 1,8 meters, i implore anyone to make sens of how she can do it with "skill"

what's next? a normal human baby with no limbs and no powers can now beat a 1M year old martial artist who is 1 billions times faster than than the speed of light with "skill" ?

yeah i ain't buying that


edit: made a post about it because i have no life here, that explains how the "anything goes in fiction" isn't an argument to take seriously

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

let me just say that "she fought him" here means she overwhelmed him with strenght he couldn't handle


and she only managed to follow his movements trough clairvoyance, the poor bastard had no way to deal with that

point is she is nowhere near as skilled as he is

she was relative enough to engage him in battle till almost all of her stamina ran out, which we already know puts her massively over people like Julius + Ricardo who both got decimated almost immediately. they also have better skill feats than either of her opponents here

also this


no, you're way overesitmating ram's abilities here, even if you disagree with this thread , she was in no way shape or form trashing him, she was trying to run away

and yeah, that feat is still bs and should be removed

i am talking about how Ram can defeat Garfiel with half her strength while being half as weak as him


i am gonna answer the rest later as i am busy rn

 

[Zabazab]

she could dodge Garfiel while he was 180 times faster than her with skill

Mate stop wanking this feat at every opportunity She can predict opponents that fast yes, but Garfiel was both hindered by wounds/his senses being attacked, and his aim is already so poor that to decent fighters in Re:Zero it'd be "harder to try to get hit by him".

i am talking about how Ram can defeat Garfiel with half her strength while being half as weak as him

It's 2nd Shackle Ram who can beat him with half her strength. 2nd Shackle Ram is far far stronger than Garfiel at this point.

let me just say that "she fought him" here means she overwhelmed him with strenght he couldn't handle

With her 5th Shackle she did that yes. The fight lasted 10+ chapters, with 2nd Shackle Ram vs base Ley that was mostly even, 3rd Shackle Ram dominating Ley, then Warlock Ley dominating 3rd Shackle Ram, and finally 5th Shackle Ram no-diffing Warlock Ley.

 

[Passersby]

she was relative enough to engage him in battle till almost all of her stamina ran out, which we already know puts her massively over people like Julius + Ricardo who both got decimated almost immediately. they also have better skill feats than either of her opponents here

...she did not?

she was getting thrashed and beaten to a pulp before performing Synesthesia

then she did perform it

sthen he told him he has three chances to strike decimated the floor with him with superior stats then killed him

if there is something i missed can you provide the scenes

 

[Passersby]

With her 5th Shackle she did that yes. The fight lasted 10+ chapters, with 2nd Shackle Ram vs base Ley that was mostly even, 3rd Shackle Ram dominating Ley, then Warlock Ley dominating 3rd Shackle Ram, and finally 5th Shackle Ram no-diffing Warlock Ley.

aight then, just read the 2 last chaps it seems

 

[Zabazab]

and she only managed to follow his movements trough clairvoyance, the poor bastard had no way to deal with that

point is she is nowhere near as skilled as he is

Clairvoyance was needed to see through his teleportation, but Ram was FTL in that scene so prediction wasn't even necessary.

You're correct that she isn't as skilled, but her wind-coating technique did allow her to reduce the advantage in skill Ley had significantly while she was in 2nd Shackle. Here's the scan just in case:

Declaring with apparent disgust, Ram twisted her frame as her elbow rebuff drilled into the air.

Slashed upon touch, broke bones upon striking, a fearsome technique which pierced even into the insides, this was being performed lacking all frugality, as she fired a chain of strikes utilizing all of her limbs.

These were not moves governed by simply physical ability or technique. Had it been brought forth by pure finesse, then Batenkaitos, who reconstructed all kinds of techniques of the past and the present, of east and west, relying on the Memories of eaten opponents, could have surely dealt with it.

However, Ram’s battle techniques marked a concise difference from that.

Ram: “――――”

Stepping in, the elbow and knee strikes which Ram fired changed their velocity midway through. That was because Ram clad herself in wind magic which she specialized in, and wove truth and myth together in the midst of the battle.

Accelerating or decelerating speed with wind, she derailed Batenkaitos’s cognizance as he counterattacked. In the end, Ram utilized wind and scattered her presence in all directions, and whilst slipping into the opponent’s blind spot with nimble carriage of her body, struck countless fatal blows.

 

[Passersby]

You're correct that she isn't as skilled, but her wind-coating technique did allow her to reduce the advantage in skill Ley had significantly while she was in 2nd Shackle. Here's the scan just in case:

she is more of a tactian than him i guess, he is more skilled in combat but she has better battle intelligence and a tchnique to make up for the skill
nice

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Alright first of all, let me apologize. I guess i remembered some stuff wrong and also i was busy with work
Anyways, Zabazab basically explained it all but to add on what i meant by the speed feat is that she should be able to act much faster than her opponents due to the massive skill difference present here
Going purely off of whats been shown here (aka their skill feats)they are around Emilia level and I am sorry to say this but Ram casually put her down without any buff or magic needed at all. Even if you include the haxes, AP difference and all of those shenanigans i still find it extremely hard to imagine it would be troubling for her

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Alright first of all, let me apologize. I guess i remembered some stuff wrong and also i was busy with work
Anyways, Zabazab basically explained it all but to add on what i meant by the speed feat is that she should be able to act much faster than her opponents due to the massive skill difference present here
Going purely off of whats been shown here (aka their skill feats)they are around Emilia level and I am sorry to say this but Ram casually put her down without any buff or magic needed at all. Even if you include the haxes, AP difference and all of those shenanigans i still find it extremely hard to imagine it would be troubling for her

Aint Emelia level instinctively dodging arrows?

If that's the case then their dead even

Also your kinda just handwaving away all their techniques

 

[Fezzih_007]

Aint Emelia level instinctively dodging arrows?

Emilia skill feats involves:
Analytical Prediction (Dodged a rain of arrows by reading the shooters intent[12]), Instinctive Action (More skilled than Al, who can dodge attacks with instinct)

And she can create weapons, which she use to fight people, like swords, spears and axes.
She can use proficiently.
This is a oversimplification trought.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Emilia skill feats involves:
Analytical Prediction (Dodged a rain of arrows by reading the shooters intent[12]), Instinctive Action (More skilled than Al, who can dodge attacks with instinct)

And she can create weapons, which she use to fight people, like swords, spears and axes.
She can use proficiently.

If that's the case then I'd argue that Zeno and Silva are above Emelia in that regard

 

[Fezzih_007]

If that's the case then I'd argue that Zeno and Silva are above Emelia in that regard

This is a oversimplification trought, but is bassicaly that.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

This is a oversimplification trought, but is bassicaly that.

Ram is superior to Emelia though correct?

Is there anyone else who we can compare her to?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ram is superior to Emelia though correct?

Is there anyone else who we can compare her to?

Well, we have Garfiel, Elsa and Julius.

But keep in mind, she just compare to some of the feat, not all of them.
The instictive actions she compare for example.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Well, we have Garfiel, Elsa and Julius.

But keep in mind, she just compare to some of the feat, not all of them.
The instictive actions she compare for example.

Specifically how would she be comparable to Elsa, she seems to be the only one on that list that seems to have a chance against Zeno and Silva

Also if we decide she's roughly equal with skill maybe we could bring it down to 1v1 with either Silva or Zeno

 

[Zabazab]

Specifically how would she be comparable to Elsa, she seems to be the only one on that list that seems to have a chance against Zeno and Silva

Also if we decide she's roughly equal with skill maybe we could bring it down to 1v1 with either Silva or Zeno

The one she's closest to in skill is probably Old Wilhelm, she is leagues above the likes of Garf, Julius, and Elsa.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump, i probally should change the start distance
Put like, 20 meters, or is good for now?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Also about Ram's wind Jail

It's invisible and has no presence correct?

If that's the case I have reason to believe that they would still be able to sense it

Hisoka as well as other troupe members have demonstrated the ability to sense people even when they're in Zetsu which completely cuts off presence

So while they still wouldn't be able to see her wind jail I have reason to believe they'd still be able to sense it and dodge, same with her wind cuts

The one she's closest to in skill is probably Old Wilhelm, she is leagues above the likes of Garf, Julius, and Elsa.

Based on this I'd probably say that Ram has the advantage in senses based on the Unseen hand stuff

I still think this wouldn't be near enough to overcome the odds though

 

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