Arrowverse CRT: 1-A upgrade for Arrowverse

[ByArrow]

Hello, this thread focuses on The Void of Arrowverse cosmology.

This is a very typical void of nothingness.

The Void is the infinite nothingness in which God and Goddess create their creation.

It is said to be nothingness both by God and by Lucifer. And the Goddess confirms Lucifer. So the two omniscient beings in the verse and one of the most ancient beings in the verse say that the Void is nothingness.

God: There was nothing, just darkness and then she appeared.

Lucifer 2x16 "God Johnson"

And The Void precedes creation (So it precedes space-time and dimensions. So there is no space-time or dimension in The Void.), it is a place where even the Forces Of Nature, which covers places devoid of space-time and before space-time, cannot reach, and even The Bleed, which reaches the highest layers of reality, cannot reach. In other words, the Void is an infinite nothingness that has no Space-Time or dimensions, that cannot be reached by beings in creation, that is transcends reality.

• It was accepted in this thread that The Bleed extends to the highest layers of reality

Quoting Beyond-Dimensional Existence page -

As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar. However, if they are applied to realms that can be inferred to surpass the very composition of the lower reality (e.g. Realms that are, themselves, non-composite, such as conceptual domains, or often, voids of nothingness), then 1-A is the most appropriate rating for them.

Furthermore, keep in mind that Type 2 Beyond-Dimensional Existence (In particular the latter variant) is not simply a combination of a non-dimensional state of existence and greater raw power than all dimensional structures in a cosmology – Though that is a necessary condition to qualify for it, it is not a sufficient one. Instead, the non-dimensional state of existence must be the direct cause of the character/realm's superiority over dimensions. A simple example being voids of nothingness that lack space, time and physicality entirely, but are nonetheless "vaster" than physical reality in some way, with common imagery being the universe as a small object encompassed in such a backdrop.

The void is a perfect fit for 1-A.

So how does this affect the verse?​

Only a few characters scale to void.

Quoting Tiering System page -

Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures.

According to the Tier page, residing in the same state of existence as the 1-A realms is enough for 1-A

God and Goddess reside in the same state of existence as the Void, as they are beings that preceded creation and exist in the Void. This makes them 1-A.

God and Goddess also receive BDE 2.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Hopping in here just to nip this at the bud: Voids of nothingness aren't inherently 1-A just for being voids. Nothing here seems like it particularly suggests the Void is superior to non-void things (Or even that it has BDE), so, yeah.

 

[ByArrow]

Hopping in here just to nip this at the bud: Voids of nothingness aren't inherently 1-A just for being voids. Nothing here seems like it particularly suggests the Void is superior to non-void things (Or even that it has BDE), so, yeah.

Doesn't the fact that The Bleed and Forces Of Nature cannot reach The Void suggest that The Void is superior to non-Void, i.e. creation?

Doesn't the fact that The Void is where the supreme beings of the verse are, that it is not covered by Forces Of Nature, which can reach places where space-time does not exist, and that it is not covered by The Bleed, which can reach the spaces between universes and the highest levels of reality, show that The Void is at least possibly superior to creation?

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Will this affect lucifer with flamming sword aswell? as he is able to hurt them

 

[ByArrow]

Will this affect lucifer with flamming sword aswell? as he is able to hurt them

If accepted, yes.

 

[Baabasaplar95]

I like ByArrow's answer. I agree with the OP.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

I agree

 

[Hixkaryana]

Seems good, I agree!

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Bump

 

[Lordhesperus]

I understand the arguments being made, I find it difficult to fully accept this classification without more compelling evidence.

The concept of the Void being 1-A is interesting, but Could we consider additional context or examples that might help clarify why the Void specifically qualify for a 1-A rating?

 

[Ar1216789]

I think this will be rejected. Ultima has spoken his opinion and it usually stays that way.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Disagree, same ultima put his opinion

 

[Lordhesperus]

Okay, so this topic will be closed?

 

[Richard5128pm]

Unfortunately, I don't think this will go through, as ultima rejected it.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Unfortunately, I don't think this will go through, as ultima rejected it.

It would be like that because most of time, from Tier 1-A and up, ultima would direct it because he wrote the rules

 

[Richard5128pm]

True

 

[Hixkaryana]

Unfortunately, I don't think this will go through, as ultima rejected it.

Ultima didn’t react to ByArrow’s response so who knows..ByArrow gave some pretty good arguments imo.

 

[Ar1216789]

Ultima didn’t react to ByArrow’s response so who knows..ByArrow gave some pretty good arguments imo.

ByArrow's argument for it was that it's inaccessible to the Forces of Nature and The Bleed, which without further context, wouldn't demonstrate any form of superiority.

Like Ultima said, it's just a void without any superiority over non-void stuff, neither does it have BDE.

 

[Hixkaryana]

ByArrow's argument for it was that it's inaccessible to the Forces of Nature and The Bleed, which without further context, wouldn't demonstrate any form of superiority.

Like Ultima said, it's just a void without any superiority over non-void stuff, neither does it have BDE.

Without further context indeed, I suppose the context will be added at some point.