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So, while I said I was going to work in other verse novel (Death Mage), thing that I'm actually doing, I happened to think about various things and ended doing some math, so here is the result of that. The crt only treat with calcs and numbers, there are no changes to the scaling chain (which can be saw here), and no ability is touched, I can try touching those sort of things in other crt when I'm less busy with Death Mage or have finally published the revisions for it.
So I recalculated the feat again but this time using subsonic speed since I suddenly remembered that even in the first combat of vol 1 the students already showed to be able to move FTE and literally 11 pages after appear the Behemoth who is show and stated to be above all (current) humanity have. It was accepted the low-end of 34.3m/s instead of the high-end of 171.5m/s (the currently accepted speed for vol 1 characters), which as result upgrade the feat to 7.94 Megajoules (Wall level) and 162,812.47kg (Class K). The scaling chain is exactly the same so by applying the new values to the scaling it would look like this:
Btw side note but the Behemoth calc have be quite useful to me when trying to calc other feats so I have some sort of care for it.
All the students vol 1 keys scale ap wise to the 7.94 Megajoules value and to half the LS, 81,406.23kg (Class 100), so the affected profiles are:
- Pre-Evolution Hajime with Transmutation
- Volume 1 Kouki, with Limit Break his AP and LS would be 23.82 Megajoules (9-A) and 244,218.69kg (Class K)
- Volume 1 Shizuku
- Volume 1 Kaori
- Volume 1 Ryutarou
- Volume 1 Suzu
- Volume 1 Eri
- Volume 1 Kousuke
- Aiko without magic
- After-Stories Aiko without magic
The characters that natives of the world of Tortus scale to a third of the full value so 2.64 Megajoules (Wall level) 54,270.82kg (Class 100), the affected profiles are:
- Meld
- Gahard
The tier 8 characters in their Post-Orcus keys scale to the full LS of the Behemoth charge, 162,812.47kg (Class K), so the affected profiles are:
- Post-Orcus Kouki, with Limit Break his LS would be 488,437.41kg (Class K) and Overload would be 814,062.35kg (Class K)
- Post-Orcus Shizuku
- Post-Orcus Kaori
- Post-Orcus Ryutarou
- Post-Orcus Suzu
- Post-Orcus Eri
- Post-Orcus Kousuke
- Aiko with magic
- Cattleya, Ahatod LS would be 488,437.41kg (Class K)
The tier 8 characters in their Post-Schnee keys scale to 2x their previous value, 325,624.94kg (Class K), so the affected profiles are:
- Post-Schnee Kouki, with Limit Break his LS would be 976,874.82kg (Class K) and Overload would be 1,628,124.7kg (Class M)
- Post-Schnee Shizuku, with Limiter Removal her LS would be 976,874.82kg (Class K)
- Post-Schnee Ryutarou
- Post-Schnee Suzu
- After Stories Kousuke, with Abyss Lord Depth V his LS would be 1,628,124.7kg (Class M), however is needed to note that do to the nature of Abyss Lord his stats will continously grow until eventually reach an LS able to face the top and even god tiers of the verse.
Btw side note but the Behemoth calc have be quite useful to me when trying to calc other feats so I have some sort of care for it.
In the original calc I only calculated the weight of Holy Sword-chan, now I calculated the Force and KE of it. This calc was honestly a roller-coaster because initially when I did the calc I got 5-C+ and Class P do to accidentally use the wrong numbers in certain part, later I noticed the mistake by myself and corrected it to get a value that just supported the tier 6 characters, later do to people comments the speed was changed and the feat ended as upgrade for Kouki After Stories 7-A end, however because that Kouki scale to Apostles and basically all the 7-A in turn scale to Apostles that mean that almost every 7-A character get upgraded.
The calculation give 473.98 Megatons (Mountain level) and 1.34e14kg (Class T), so using said values in the current scaling chain things end like this:
The calculation give 473.98 Megatons (Mountain level) and 1.34e14kg (Class T), so using said values in the current scaling chain things end like this:
Prepare because they are a lot:
- Post-Evolution Hajime, with Limit Break his AP would be 1.42 Gigatons (High 7-A) while with Overload his AP is 2.36 Gigatons (High 7-A+), Schlagen and Pile Bunker AP is 2.84 Gigatons (High 7-A+) and with the amp from Limit Break and Overload they become 8.53 Gigatons (6-C) and 14.21 Gigatons (6-C) respectively. His LS with amps would be 4.09e14kg (Class T) and 6.7e14kg (Class T)
- Pre-Schnee Yue
- Pre-Schnee Shea
- Pre-Schnee Tio
- Zero Era Apostles of God high end, with Limit Break their AP would be 1.42 Gigatons (High 7-A). Her LS with amp would be 4.09e14kg (Class T)
- Current Era Apostles of God, with Limit Break their AP would be 1.42 Gigatons (High 7-A). Her LS with amp would be 4.09e14kg
- Apostle Kaori, with Limit Break her AP would be 1.42 Gigatons (High 7-A). Her LS with amp would be 4.09e14kg (Class T)
- Fried
- After-Stories Aiko with magic
- End of Zero Miledi high end
- End of Zero Oscar high end
- End of Zero Naiz high end
- End of Zero Meiru high end
- End of Zero Laus high end, with his lowest amp his AP would be 2.36 Gigatons (High 7-A+) and with his highest amp is 4.73 (6-C). His LS with amps would be 6.7e14kg and 1.34e15kg (Class P).
- End of Zero Vandre high end
- End of Zero Lyutillis high end, with her lowest amp her AP would be 385.5 Megatons (7-A), while with Unlimited Overload is 1.42 Gigatons (High 7-A) and with Supreme Ascendence is 2.36 Gigatons (High 7-A+). Her LS with amps would be 2.68e14kg, 4.09e14kg (Class T) and 6.7e14kg (Class T) respectively
- Demi Apostleificated Kouki, with Limit Break his AP would be 1.42 Gigatons (High 7-A) while with Overload his AP is 2.36 Gigatons (High 7-A+), his LS with amps would be 4.09e14kg (Class T) and 6.7e14kg (Class T). Do to the nature of the fight against Mother, After-Stories Kouki low end interpretation scale to this Kouki who in turn had the strength of a Apostle
- Mother low end interpretation
This is shorter:
- Apostle Eri who is 331.78 Megatons (7-A), with Limit Break her AP is 995.358 (7-A+). Her LS without amp would 9.38e13kg (Class T) and with amp
- End of Main Story Shizuku who is 236.99 Megatons (7-A), with CheatMate is 473.98 Megatons (7-A), and with Instant Trascendence/Limiter Removal on top her AP would be 1.42 Gigatons (High 7-A) while with Supreme Ascendence is 2.36 Gigatons (High 7-A+). Her LS without amp would 6.7e13kg (Class T) and with amps 1.34e14kg (Class T), 4.09e14kg (Class T) and 6.7e14kg (Class T)
- End of Main Story Suzu who is 236.99 Megatons (7-A), with CheatMate 473.98 Megatons (7-A) while her barriers defense and Inaba AP is 2.36 Gigatons (High 7-A+). Her LS without amp would 6.7e13kg (Class T) and with amp 1.34e14kg (Class T), and barriers and Inaba would be 6.7e14kg (Class T)
- End of Main Story Ryutarou who is 236.99 Megatons (7-A), with CheatMate 473.98 Megatons (7-A) while Ogre and Wereogre are 2.36 Gigatons (High 7-A+). His LS without amp would 6.7e13kg (Class T) and with amps 1.34e14kg (Class T) and 6.7e14kg (Class T)
This characters scale 3x of the full value so they end as 1.42 Gigatons (High 7-A) and 4.09e14kg (Class T), the affected profiles are:
- Post-Schnee Hajime, with Limit Break his AP would be 4.26 Gigatons (High 7-A+) while with Overload his AP is 7.10 Gigatons (6-C), Schlagen and Pile Bunker AP is 8.53 Gigatons (6-C) and with the amp from Limit Break and Overload they become 25.59 Gigatons (6-C) and 42.65 Gigatons (6-C) respectively. His LS with amps would be 1.22e15kg (Class P) and 2.04e15kg (Class P)
- Post-Schnee Yue, with Limiter Removal her AP would be 4.26 Gigatons (High 7-A+). Her LS with amp would be 1.22e15kg (Class P)
- Post-Schnee Shea, with Limiter Removal her AP would be 4.26 Gigatons (High 7-A+). Her LS with amp would be 1.22e15kg (Class P)
- Post-Schnee Tio, with Limiter Removal her AP would be 4.26 Gigatons (High 7-A+). Her LS with amp would be 1.22e15kg (Class P)
- Post-Schnee Kaori, with Limiter Removal or Limit Break her AP would be 4.26 Gigatons (High 7-A+) while with both active she is 8.53 Gigatons (6-C). Her LS with amps would be 1.22e15kg (Class P) and 2.54e15kg (Class P)
- Alvaheit would actually be 4.26 Gigatons (High 7-A+) and 1.22e15kg (Class P) since he defeated an amped Shea.
- Copy Fusion Kouki, with Limit Break his AP would be 4.26 Gigatons (High 7-A+) while with Overload his AP is 7.10 Gigatons (6-C). His LS with amps would be 1.22e15kg (Class P) and 2.04e15kg (Class P)
So I finally calculated the feat of Inaba were he vaporizated part of Tortus sea in the After Stories, the result was 3.34 Teratons. Inaba already downscale from 3.44 Teratons so this is a supporting feat, and although the feat was performed by After Stories Inaba he himself comment how he didn't had a good fight since the fight at the Sanctuary (End of Main Story) and how this is the first time since then that his blood boil the same again, so the feat should also apply to his Main Story key which in turn futher support the characters Low 6-B rating.
So previously in another thread it was already commented how there exist feats of characters in vol 1 (main story and Zero respectively) vaping/melting people:
The motive of why the feats haven't be used until now is mostly do to two motives, the first is that we just forgot because the crt were I brought this that was already quite big and treated various things; and the second was because there was certain uncertainty about if that would scale only to magic or could scale to their physicals, however we know as a matter of fact that magic scale to physicals because those with strong magic unconsciously turn the excess of mana in physical stats and that Body Strengthening normally seem to turn 1 point of mana in 1 point to other stats (reason to why Shea is considered a monster of Body Strengthening, because her Body Strengthening is different and can tun 1 point of mana in several points of physical stats, reaching currently the point of the conversion be 1:11), there are some characters that can go against the notion of 1:1 coversion like Yue but those are more like exceptions (because as a matter of fact even though Yue is said countless times to be physically useless and is generally weak physically, she have also show various times feats where she casually amped her physicals to the point that even Hajime have doubted that she is actually weak physically, at the end it just that Yue is so weird in her physical feats that we honestly don't know how to treat her and that's why she is rated as Unknow) so I believe is better if we ignore those cases and fully scale the 9-B characters to the 9-A rating, although I can also understand that some people still have doubts with fully scaling all the characters to it so instead I try to propose go with a possibly or likely 9-A. Also, another thing that could support the 9-A notion is the fact that the high-end (the end using the speed at which we currently rate the vol 1 characters) of the new Behemoth calc is 9-A.
- Students in their first fight in vol 1 turned Ratmen, what basically buffed humanoid rats, to ashes by accidentally using too much power.
- In vol 1 of Zero is stated how an intermediate spell like Crimson Spear can melt bones, something futher supported by the fact that in the same scene knights melted staircase made of rock.
The motive of why the feats haven't be used until now is mostly do to two motives, the first is that we just forgot because the crt were I brought this that was already quite big and treated various things; and the second was because there was certain uncertainty about if that would scale only to magic or could scale to their physicals, however we know as a matter of fact that magic scale to physicals because those with strong magic unconsciously turn the excess of mana in physical stats and that Body Strengthening normally seem to turn 1 point of mana in 1 point to other stats (reason to why Shea is considered a monster of Body Strengthening, because her Body Strengthening is different and can tun 1 point of mana in several points of physical stats, reaching currently the point of the conversion be 1:11), there are some characters that can go against the notion of 1:1 coversion like Yue but those are more like exceptions (because as a matter of fact even though Yue is said countless times to be physically useless and is generally weak physically, she have also show various times feats where she casually amped her physicals to the point that even Hajime have doubted that she is actually weak physically, at the end it just that Yue is so weird in her physical feats that we honestly don't know how to treat her and that's why she is rated as Unknow) so I believe is better if we ignore those cases and fully scale the 9-B characters to the 9-A rating, although I can also understand that some people still have doubts with fully scaling all the characters to it so instead I try to propose go with a possibly or likely 9-A. Also, another thing that could support the 9-A notion is the fact that the high-end (the end using the speed at which we currently rate the vol 1 characters) of the new Behemoth calc is 9-A.
All the tier 9 characters:
- Pre-Evolution Hajime with Transmutation
- Volume 1 Kouki, with Limit Break his AP would be 0.22 Tons (9-A+)
- Volume 1 Shizuku
- Volume 1 Kaori
- Volume 1 Ryutarou
- Volume 1 Suzu
- Volume 1 Eri
- Volume 1 Kousuke
- Aiko without magic
- After-Stories Aiko without magic
- Meld
- Gahard
In one of the arcs of the after stories there appeared an evil god called Helmut who caused a storm that flooded a world using negative energy, and at the end of said arc after Hajime casually killed Helmut he began to gather to him all the clouds, dust and negative energy in the world to purificate it. Now according to the common feats page flooding the planet is 5.62 Exatons (High 6-A) and it would involucrate manipulate a mass of 4.629e21kg (Class Z), so based on how Hajime party is above Helmut I propose to use the feat to support the current AP of their tier 5 key (33.71 Exatons) and to upgrade their LS which currently scale to the same as their previous key (1.71e18kg to 1.71e19kg with amps) since there wasn't anything else to use instead.
All the tier 5 characters that are basically Hajime party and Lutria:
- After-Stories Hajime, with CheatMate is 9.25e+21 (Class Z), with Limit Break on top his LS would be 2.77e+22 (Class Z) while with Overload is 4.42e+22 (Class E)
- After-Stories Yue, with CheatMate is 9.25e+21 (Class Z), with Limiter Removal on top her LS would be 2.77e+22 (Class Z)
- After-Stories Shea, with all her amps she scale to 4.42e+22 (Class E) to do be able to restrict Overload Hajime
- After-Stories Tio, with CheatMate is 9.25e+21 (Class Z), with Limiter Removal on top her LS would be 2.77e+22 (Class Z) while with Dragon God Advent she would become 9.25e22 (Class Z)
- After-Stories Kaori, with CheatMate is 9.25e+21 (Class Z), with Limit Break or Limiter Removal on top her LS would be 2.77e+22 (Class Z) while with both active she become 5.55e22 (Class Z)
- After-Stories Shizuku, with CheatMate is 9.25e+21 (Class Z), with Limiter Removal on top her LS would be 2.77e+22 (Class Z) while with Supreme Ascendance is 4.42e+22 (Class E)
- Lutria
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