Archie Sonic High 2-A?

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Yeah. I'd like to see scans for that.

 

[Kaltias]

I'm not really seeing anything on Illumina's page (or the description above) making her a pseudo-platonic form.

Less sure about the Chaos Force.

 

[Dark_Matter557]

Scans of what? Of Chaos Force and Illumina having platonic natures?

 

[Dark_Matter557]

I will no send, I'm too lazy. But the Illumina of games and Archie is literally the same, and Chaos Force is the fundamental energy of the Universe which is free of one a physical and astral nature

 

[Dark_Matter557]

I'm not really seeing anything on Illumina's page (or the description above) making her a pseudo-platonic form.

Less sure about the Chaos Force.

Incorporate dreams is platonic whether you like it or not

 

[Dark_Matter557]

I'm not really seeing anything on Illumina's page (or the description above) making her a pseudo-platonic form.

Less sure about the Chaos Force.

So you agree with Chaos Force being Platonic because it is the fundamental energy of verse and because it is free of a physical and astral body

 

[Kaltias]

It depends.

Aristotelian concepts can fulfill these requirements too. If someone could give scans it would help.

The CF could very easily be (false) platonic due to higher plane shenanigans, but I need more informations to make a call

 

[Dark_Matter557]

Chaos Energy (Chaos Force physical manifestation) encompasses various types of energy, such as chemistry, electrical, magical, thermal, hydraulic, geothermal, gravitational, etc.

 

[Dark_Matter557]

It depends.

Aristotelian concepts can fulfill these requirements too. If someone could give scans it would help.

The CF could very easily be (false) platonic due to higher plane shenanigans, but I need more informations to make a call

Databook states that Chaos Force is all the universe's all-encompassing energy: https://m.imgur.com/LQsYkxs

Here is a confirmation, except from Ian Flynn, that Chaos Force is the Universal energy: http://imgur.com/vbdFf6f

In addition to Chaos Energy have the same essence of nature and be the most powerful and the purest form of energy that exists: http://imgur.com/a/FVamS This is due to the fact that characters like Mamute Mogul and Ixis Naugus have demonstrated using Ixis Magicks to control types of energy such as thermal, hydraulic, wind, chemical, geothermal, etc. since Ixis Magicks / Chaos Energy users can manipulate all 4 elements and even other natural phenomena like shadows, ice, oxygen, clouds and crystals - Ixis Magicks users can also transform themselves into the elements themselves. In addition, a variation of Ixis Magicks, Magitek, can manipulate the electronic impulses of any machine (electric power) and Chaos Energy can manipulate gravity (elastic potential energy), matter, vital energy and souls. That said, it is notorious that Chaos Energy encompasses various types of energy (Chaos Energy = physical manifestation of Chaos Force)

It has been shown that the Chaos Force is at least 2 degrees of existence above the astral plane, for anyone ascending to a higher plane no longer carries the previous "shell". Chaos Force transcends this limitation, a soul, beings that become one with the Chaos Force do not need such a thing anymore. Next Evolution (Plan beyond the physical) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Post-Life <<<<<<<<<<< Chaos Force: https : //m.imgur.com/a/BGxdn That is, the Chaos Force has neither physical nor astral body, it transcends these limitations

In the same scan pack from above, Chaos Force was also said to be out of space-time and to be everything and everyone, since Aurora, who was already one with Chaos Force, could take the form of any being depending on as each one imagined, of how he understood it: https://m.imgur.com/a/BGxd

Aurora said that Knuckles in advancing to Chaos Force would consequently take its place in the cosmos, of course: https://m.imgur.com/a/aDCgW

It is said that Mogul when becoming one with the Chaos Force has become a pandimensional being, that is, the Chaos Force is also composed by the entire dimensional structure of the verse: https://m.imgur.com/Xhs06mD?r

As Chaos Force encompasses everything, this would include the extra dimensional worlds of Maginary World, which is made of all the dreams of all people of all dimensions / realities. In addition, Maginary World is located in a location outside the standard Multiverse, since Master Precioustone, which is the jewel that supports the existence of extra dimensional worlds, acts as a gateway to Maginary World as well as to the normal Multiverse Sonic: https://m.imgur.com/RSv4lWA https://m.imgur.com/FLk0SNs

Chaos Force is the one that connects everyone, it is not possible to have a direct connection with everyone because there are different plans of existence: http://imgur.com/zSF04tg

Chaos Energy is also considered as simple energy and matter conversions, something scientific that can not be very well documented by a precise science: https://m.imgur.com/a/2wYJV

To have a link with Chaos Energy / Chaos Force you must understand it, you must study the sciences as a philosophy and ethical and moral principles in order to learn the definitive discipline. This energy is also the source of all existence, since Chaos Force is the fundamental energy / basic principle of every verse as shown earlier: https://m.imgur.com/a/bOuAk

Here it is said that Chaos Energy itself can not be created or destroyed: https://m.imgur.com/a/3EpIZ

Chaos Energy was said by Eggman to be something that acts on the quantum level, since Sonic, who spent his entire life absorbing chaotic energy, is a constant inconsistency, since Sonic is willing to always win, regardless of the preparation: https: //m.imgur.com/a/AERz0

 

[Dark_Matter557]

Some things may not have anything to do with the Platonic nature of Chaos Force, but It's because it's a complete dossier a made by me

 

[Dark_Matter557]

The Chaos Force would not only have a platonic nature but aristotelian as well. Such as plato-aristotelian

At Marvel and DC there are many like that too

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Anyway, who agrees with the downgrade?

 

[fandom_22Easy]

I'm pretty sure there have been arguments in favor of 5D Chaos force recently that nobody knowledgable has responded to. So until then, I don't agree with the downgrades.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

I'm neutral for now.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I disagree with the downgrades.

 

[Dark_Matter557]

I disagree with the downgrades simply because Cal did not prove and demonstrate anything, simply claimed that he saw nothing but Low 2-C or 2-A. Did not prove shit none

 

[Kaltias]

You guys are the one who need to prove that the CF is High 2-A tho.

Simply existing beyond space-time isn't enough evidence.

 

[fandom_22Easy]

^As the gigantic essay Dark Matter557 wrote is completely ignored. As well as the blog he made.

 

[HST_Master]

@Dark

You may wanna check the link regarding the Chaos Force transcending the need for Souls and the afterlife

 

[Kaltias]

Which blog?

And nothing in thay essay says that the Chaos Force is 5-D. Only that it encompasses the entire verse, but that could be simply a higher degree of 2-A.

And existing outside space-time =/= infinitely transcending it

 

[Dark649]

Here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/d/p/3120688743317563411

This one Kaltias.

 

[Dark_Matter557]

He started the thread, so he has to prove it. But I also do not agree that it is 5D, only that according to the context of this wikia, transcending a space time of infinite universes here is classified as 5D. But whatever, I just want a platonic classification for Chaos Force, I did a thread talking about it: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/d/p/3120688743317568786

 

[Kaltias]

transcending a space time of infinite universes here is classified as 5D.

And that's the scan that i'd like to see. I only saw that it exists outside of them.

I'm not sure about the concept thing, but i'll leave that one to people more familiar with Archie than me

 

[Dark_Matter557]

And that's the scan that i'd like to see. I only saw that it exists outside of them.

I'm not sure about the concept thing, but i'll leave that one to people more familiar with Archie than me

So read my thread and say what you think. Based on the definition and the evidences that I presented, not in your knowledge of Archie Sonic: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/d/p/3120688743317568786

 

[Dark_Matter557]

And if you're out of space-time, unlinked from it, you're technically ..... beyond

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And if you're out of space-time, unlinked from it, you're technically ..... beyond

acausality does not give AP

 

[Dark_Matter557]

acausality does not give AP

What? I did not say that, said Out can also mean Beyond. But anyway, I do not want to know this, Chaos Force is still 4D

Comment on my thread: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/d/p/3120688743317568786

 

[Kaltias]

So read my thread and say what you think. Based on the definition and the evidences that I presented, not in your knowledge of Archie Sonic: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/d/p/3120688743317568786

I'm not sure because I can't read scans that aren't in English.

There is stuff that could be interpreted as an abstract plane, but I can't give my approval if I can't read them

 

[Dark_Matter557]

I'm not sure because I can't read scans that aren't in English.

There is stuff that could be interpreted as an abstract plane, but I can't give my approval if I can't read them

Ixis Magicks: http://***************.to/Comic/Sonic-The-Hedgehog/Issue-163?id=20133

In addition to the physical and astral plane: https://m.imgur.com/a/EQLM2

Mogul pan-dimensional being via Chaos Force: http://i.imgur.com/Xhs06mD.png

To achieve the ultimate discipline (Chaos Energy/Chaos Force), must understand ethical and moral principles and the Philosophy: http://imgur.com/2ybwzMd

Source of existence: http://imgur.com/u9oslhl

All the Universe's comprehensive energy: https://m.imgur.com/LQsYkxs

Universal Energy: http://i.imgur.com/rxZASEL.png

Chaos Energy itself can not be created or destroyed: https://m.imgur.com/Xloe0L

Knuckles could see Aurora the way he imagined / understood and could not understand the "real form" of Aurora, just a physical representation - This is also because Chaos Force is essentially everything: https://m.imgur.com/sKive7s

And also, with Chaos Energy you can use various types of energy (gravitational, wind, thermal, vital, hydraulic, geothermal, magic, chemical, electric, etc.). This is due to the fact that Chaos Energy has control over gravity, 4 elements , shadows, light, crystals, machines etc. and Chaos Energy is the physical manifestation of Chaos Force (I think this does not need to scan because it's very obvious)

 

[Dark_Matter557]

There are more, but I put the most important ones

 

[Kaltias]

I don't think that it counts as conceptual manipulation. Usually you need a specific statement "this is a concept" to get it

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Bump

 

[Dark_Matter557]

I don't think that it counts as conceptual manipulation. Usually you need a specific statement "this is a concept" to get it

Everything are concepts, the difference is that there are concepts concrete and abstract. Chaos Force is abstract. And Ian Flynn said that SGW destroyed the concept of Chaos Force

 

[Dark_Matter557]

I don't think that it counts as conceptual manipulation. Usually you need a specific statement "this is a concept" to get it

And The Force de Star Wars has never been said as a concept, but need?

 

[fandom_22Easy]

Right so are Dark Matter557's arguments in favor of 5D chaos force or not? Because if they are, I'd like to see a solid rebuttal of the main points.

 

[Kaltias]

Everything are concepts, the difference is that there are concepts concrete and abstract. Chaos Force is abstract. And Ian Flynn said that SGW destroyed the concept of Chaos Force

Destroying the concept of the Chaos Force =/= the CF is a concept.

If you destroyed the concept of "human" everyone would die, but humans aren't living concepts.

@Easy

Even Dark agrees with 4-D Chaos Force tho

 

[fandom_22Easy]

Right see I edited my comment because I wasn't sure. So if 4D Chaos Force has been agreed upon then rip high 2-A :[

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Alright, so far:

Agree: Cal, Azzy, Dark557, DMB (?), Ricsi, Me,...

Disagree: Maverick, 22Easy,...

Also shouldn't there be a likely High 2-A if the downgrades are applied? Like "At least 2-A, likely High 2-A"

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I agree as well

 

[Kaltias]

Also shouldn't there be a likely High 2-A if the downgrades are applied? Like "At least 2-A, likely High 2-A"

No because it doesn't have enough evidence to be High 2-A.

It would be different if it was a case like Digimon where there is a feat involving actual 5-D stuff, it's only uncertain if it scales