Arceus vs Chara (Remastered)

[Anonimoe7875]

Chara embody most of the stats not only LV

 

[DaFritzi]

I'm giving this to Arceus. Not sure if Arceus could kill Chara, probably not, but as Cal said incapacitating Chara should definitely be possible.

Arceus has better control over space, time and reality itself (Given he created the concepts for those, and fodderized the abstract entities embodying them)

Conceptual manipulation of knowledge, willpower and emotion will become very handy as all three of them can be used to incapacitate an opponent. (Given he created those concepts from scratch, creating and calibrating all of their properties, a high level of control over them is guaranteed. Same goes for the other concepts he created as well.)

Arceus soul manipulation might even be strong enough to overcome Charas resistance and destroy his soul. (Just an assumption on my end as I don't know how strong Charas soul manip resistance is.)

Also given Arceus' immense defensive hax and great variety of both techniques and offensive hax I see no way for Chara to defeat Arceus.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Chara have resistance to direct soul attack so Arceus could soul hax them

but it likely only applies to Chara after they get player soul because Chara soul was already destroyed before the start of the game

 

[Kaltias]

>mid-godly regen

>soul attacks

 

[Anonimoe7875]

>mid-godly regen
>soul attacks

...I can't belive i forgot one of the reasons i voted for inconclusive

 

[Kaltias]

Also i'd like to point out that even if we don't consider Chara omnipresent, dimensional BFR is still useless because they kinda hop between different timelines just to stalk Frisk

 

[Juggerton]

Also i'd like to point out that even if we don't consider Chara omnipresent, dimensional BFR is still useless because they kinda hop between different timelines just to stalk Frisk

Did they do that?


Iirc,Frisk's hax is just a hax,he can't create timelines

 

[Juggerton]

Arceus wins via Dimensional BFR.


I will change it when Chara really 5D did do such stuff as stated as Kaltias


(if I am convinced enough)

 

[Kaltias]

Still every Frisk you play with is a Frisk from a different timeline, seeing how the True Reset kinda busts all of them. Meaning that Chara can follow them.

Moreover, being trapped in a different universe would just cause Chara to bust it.

And I never claimed that Chara is 5D?

 

[Juggerton]

Still every Frisk you play with is a Frisk from a different timeline, seeing how the True Reset kinda busts all of them. Meaning that Chara can follow them.
Moreover, being trapped in a different universe would just cause Chara to bust it.

And I never claimed that Chara is 5D?

Sry,I think I just misunderstood Dimensional scale


What is 5D again?

 

[Kaltias]

5D is more than infinitely stronger than someone who can destroy infinite timelines

 

[Juggerton]

Still every Frisk you play with is a Frisk from a different timeline, seeing how the True Reset kinda busts all of them. Meaning that Chara can follow them.

What?True reset busted them all?


I thought it's just that timeline...

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Chara is omnipresent dimensional BFR will not work and 5-D is High 2-A which is Annoying Dog tier because he see everything in the verse (4-D beings) as fiction

 

[Juggerton]

5D is more than infinitely stronger than someone who can destroy infinite timelines

Thank you

So 6D>5D is what makes them 6D and so on?

 

[Kaltias]

Sorry for the derailing @Fate

Anyway, dimensions works like that:

Finite power of a X-dimensional being*infinity= infite X-dimensional power. This multiplied by infinity is finite (X+1) dimensional power. And you can continue forever

 

[FateAlbane]

Got kinda lost here for a sec, sooo...

Arceus: 3 (The real cal howard, DaFritzi, LeSword)

Chara: 0

Inconclusive: 3 (Anonimoe7875, Monarch Laciel, Kaltias)

 

[FateAlbane]

I didn't count Juggerton's vote yet because he seems uncertain. Once you decide, I'll count it. And no problem, Kaltias.

 

[Kaltias]

Actually I haven't voted yet.

But i'll side with Arceus on this one. While it's true that going around manipulating concepts isn't how Arceus opens the battle, it will use it sooner or later, and it wins at this point. In the meantime, Arceus has more than enough defensive hax to deal with Chara.

 

[Juggerton]

I didn't count Juggerton's vote yet because he seems uncertain. Once you decide, I'll count it. And no problem, Kaltias.

For some reason...I seem to be uncertain about every Ut God tier xD

 

[FateAlbane]

@Kaltias 'k, in that case...

Arceus: 4 (The real cal howard, DaFritzi, LeSword, Kaltias)

Chara: 0

Inconclusive: 2 (Anonimoe7875, Monarch Laciel)

 

[NeoZex6399]

Arceus for above reasons.

Arceus has better hax than Chara and can to resist his abilities, although Arceus can not kill Chara because of his Regenerationn can surely incapacitate him.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

At this point the thread will be "Arceus by reason above"

 

[Juggerton]

At this point the thread will be "Arceus by reason above" </div>

Lol

 

[Juggerton]

Arceus for reasons above


Don't count me in

 

[FateAlbane]

Jugger, Jugger...

Arceus: 5 (The real cal howard, DaFritzi, LeSword, Kaltias, NeoZex6399, Juggerto)

Chara: 0

Inconclusive: 2 (Anonimoe7875, Monarch Laciel)

 

[Kaltias]

The question is though, is Arceus acausal because nobody bothered updating it or because it fits the new definition?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I bothered...

Still acausal for a reason

 

[FateAlbane]

I'd think he remained Acausal because he was there in his verse before everything else, including Concepts (assuming Causality would naturally be included in the mix, here).

 

[FateAlbane]

Bump.

 

[FateAlbane]

Bump.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Arceus via conceptual willpower hax

 

[FateAlbane]

Ok, then one more and Arceus might get this one.

Arceus: 6 (The real cal howard, DaFritzi, LeSword, Kaltias, NeoZex6399, Monarch Laciel)

Chara: 0

Inconclusive: 1 (Anonimoe7875)

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Arceus for reasons above.

 

[FateAlbane]

And she...! ... Eh... He... T-They...? Anyways, I mean, they're down for the count.

Grace period.

Arceus: 7 (The real cal howard, DaFritzi, LeSword, Kaltias, NeoZex6399, Monarch Laciel, Dragonmasterxyz)

Chara: 0

Inconclusive: 1 (Anonimoe7875)

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

>bfr




Anyway, Arceus has better offensive abilities, but I haven't really seen the fact that Arceus can do...well, literally nothing to Chara be properly addressed.

Hell, Chara might have an edge in a straight up war of attrition if we take into account the fact Arceus can supposedly be killed and is significantly lacking in the regen department, here.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Explain more about Arceus being able to do "literally nothing to Chara"? What stops the willpower hax?

Please. I want to vote Chara. Psycho knife kid > Fancy Llama

 

[FateAlbane]

"And just as everything seems to end soundly for the god of Pokemons, Azathoth awakens from its slumber. No one is safe anymore. Creation, arguments, reasoning and votes may as well dissipate like a fleeting dream, as if they were never there.

All hope is lost - because Hope never was.

There was only Azathoth."

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

And just as everything seems to end soundly for the god of Pokemons, Azathoth awakens from its slumber. No one is safe anymore. Creation and votes may dissipate like a fleeting dream, as if they were never there.
All hope is lost - because Hope never was.

There was only Azathoth.

How beautiful

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Azzy can respond to this but not to the Zelda threads ovovo

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The fact that, assuming at worst Chara is say, a bit below member of the Creation Trio level in terms of power, they have explicit Mid-Godly regen, acausality, and ties to a concept not directly governed by Arceus. This is before we take into account the fact that Chara canonically is fuelled by the same SOUL that tanked hits from Asriel (post-genocide pacifist ending) and that there is no semi-physical entity to BFR or anything, as at this point Chara is essentially just a presence.

There is no way for Arceus to inflict damage that puts Chara down for good, and BFR is dubious at best, in this scenario.