Another simple Yhwach CRT

[Purgy]

I lied, this won't be simple at all, rather I expect it to be pretty controversial.

Essentially, I'm proposing that Yhwach gets one of the following;

• Possibly Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2)
• Something else that might be suggested in the comments

The reasoning itself is rather simple really, Ichibe cut Yhwach's name in half, turning it into "Yhw", Yhwach himself then restored his name and power.

Note that Yhwach specifically states that he can restore his name and power

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Just to make sure I checked the raws;

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Starting from the top left panel with Ichibe
今(いま)迄(まで)と同(がな)じ名(な)を半(はん)分(ぶん)に斬(き)る刃(は)か?

だがもう一知(し)っていよう一半(はん)分(んぶ)に斬(き)った名(な)も力(ちから)も私(わたし)は自(じ)身(しん)の力(らから)で元(もと)に戻(もと)す事(こと)ができると!

Is it the same blade that cuts names in half as before?

But you should know by now... that I can restore both the name and power you cut in half with my own power!

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If people are trying to verify this with an online translator but having trouble, remove the Furigana so it will look like this;

今迄と同じ名を半分に斬る刃か?

だがもう知っていよう半分に斬った名も力も私は自身の力で元に戻す事ができると!

It'll be a bit different and illegible at points but generally the same.

For Yhwach to restore his name, he'd need Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 to do so, afterall, Ichibe himself gets CM Type 2 for being able to manipulate names.

If accepted, it would look something like the following on his profile;

Possibly Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Yhwach was able to restore his own name after Ichibe had cut it with Ichimonji)

PS. I forgot to mention this, but whenever Ichibe messes with someones name he refers to them as their new name, for example, when he cut Yhwach in half he referred to him as "Yhw", but after Yhwach restores his name and power Ichibe begins to refer to him as "Yhwach" again instead of "Yhw", just a small thing to note, doesn't change much overall.

Now to preemptively counter a potential counter to this;

"Yhwach needed The Almighty to nullify Ichibe's ink and didn't just give his own name back without it"

This is true, however, the important thing to note about this instance is that Ichibe's ink takes away the entire name and all the power and abilities of anything it touches, so Yhwach would have lost his ability to restore his name when he was covered with Ichibe's ink.

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Is this where my streak of accepted Bleach CRT's end?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

**** a possibly, he needs a full rating.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

**** a possibly, he needs a full rating.

Agreed. This is pretty straightforward tbh.

Is this where my streak of accepted Bleach CRT's end?

Nope lol. You're on fire my guy

 

[KazuiK]

I agree.

On one of the panels Ichibei paints Yhwach's speech bubble when he goes to summon his sword, wouldn't that give resistance to text manipulation?

 

[Purgy]

I agree.

On one of the panels Ichibei paints Yhwach's speech bubble when he goes to summon his sword, wouldn't that give resistance to text manipulation?

Yhwach himself doesn't really resist that though, otherwise the speech bubble wouldn't be painted over right?

Not really sure how resisting text manipulation works though to be fair.

 

[LordGinSama]

Agreed.

 

[KingTempest]

**** a possibly, he needs a full rating.

What he said

Btw good job lately Purgy

 

[KazuiK]

Yhwach himself doesn't really resist that though, otherwise the speech bubble wouldn't be painted over right?

Not really sure how resisting text manipulation works though to be fair.

I say this because he manages to release his sword, although this happened after he awakened the Almighty. Maybe it's just a feat for the almighty

 

[Catzlaflame]

really well formatted, good proof even got the raws. Overall an amazing CRT, Agree with the full rating.

 

[Purgy]

If the general consensus is to remove the possibly, I won't object, but it's there for those that aren't entirely convinced I suppose.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

DisAgree

 

[Bernkastelll]

I disagree with ''possibly'', it is a full rating, Ichibei is rated as CM2 due cutting names, Yhwach can restore the name and power that Ichibei took


I agree with a full rating

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

This is even more consistent than pointed out as Ichibē makes a special note that despite his efforts to nerf Yhwach to half so that he "wants Yhwach to save face so that he doesn't beat the head of the Quincy at their strongest" (granted that exact statement is definitely the exaggerated swagger of a jovial monk) he can't.
Ichibē can't use his name manipulation on Yhwach in the instance he takes away his ability to speak, and when he cuts his arm in half too. So consistent all around, and I agree with a full rating.

 

[Archinord991]

Just curious if this is accepted, how can this capability be applied to versus thread?

Anyway Agreed this thread.

 

[Zoro21043]

i disagree with possibly being there

 

[Bernkastelll]

Just curious if this is accepted, how can this capability be applied to versus thread?

it wont be offensive, but it is good against enemies that can remove the name of the characters, trust on me, there has a lot of characters with these kind of powers

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

Just curious if this is accepted, how can this capability be applied to versus thread?

The obvious one would be resistance to type 2 conceptual manipulation in his Non Almighty key.

 

[Bernkastelll]

The obvious one would be resistance to type 2 conceptual manipulation in his Non Almighty key.

Its not resistance, he didnt resisted, if he resisted, he wouldnt need to gave it back to himself

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

I agree

 

[Reio35]

Its not resistance, he didnt resisted, if he resisted, he wouldnt need to gave it back to himself

With almighty that could be the case. He resisted himself being turned into a ant and being erased

 

[Bernkastelll]

With almighty that could be the case. He resisted himself being turned into a ant and being erased

Except that we aren't talking about Yhwach with The Almighty, as he already have it, we are talking about base Yhwach that was fighting against Ichibei without The Almighty, u can check the scan of Yhwach stating that can restore his name and power in the chapter 108

 

[Bernkastelll]

Bump

 

[Naeblis495]

Clear cut statement and feat on panel .

"Possibly" isn't needed here .

 

[Damage3245]

I agree he has the ability to restore his name to himself but I think the wording on the profile needs to be very specific so people don't start thinking that Yhwach can manipulate all names or something like that.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I agree he has the ability to restore his name to himself but I think the wording on the profile needs to be very specific so people don't start thinking that Yhwach can manipulate all names or something like that.

This wording was the one proposed, is it good?

'' Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Yhwach was able to restore his own name after Ichibe had cut it with Ichimonji)''

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Looks alright, I agree with full Conceptual Manipulation Type 2.

 

[Purgy]

Is three staff agreements enough or should I wait for more?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Damage raises a good point with his latest post. I think we should put Limited Concept Manipulation (Type 2) since he has only shown a single application of it and only for restoring his concept/name.

 

[Purgy]

Damage raises a good point with his latest post. I think we should put Limited Concept Manipulation (Type 2) since he has only shown a single application of it and only for restoring his concept/name.

Doesn't the justification I wrote already acknowledge that though?

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Yhwach was able to restore his own name after Ichibe had cut it with Ichimonji)

Though, I guess if it's really necessary, a limited can be added to further emphasize that it only applies to himself.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

It does but I felt it was best to be safe just in case. I think we’d all rather not have to deal with people believing Yhwach can mess with people’s concepts.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Though, I guess if it's really necessary, a limited can be added to further emphasize that it only applies to himself.

it isnt really limited, because Ichibei one is not limited

 

[Purgy]

it isnt really limited, because Ichibei one is not limited

True, but Ichibe can manipulate the names of anything, whereas Yhwach has only shown to manipulate his own concepts.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

True, but Ichibe can manipulate the names of anything, whereas Yhwach has only shown to manipulate his own concepts.

That is still concept manipulation, so the limited is not necessary

 

[Bernkastelll]

Now that I think, shouldn't it also be noted somehow that it was because Ichibei just took half of his name and power? we can't be sure that Yhwach can restore it if it was totally of his name and power, that's a thing to The Almighty

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Now that I think, shouldn't it also be noted somehow that it was because Ichibei just took half of his name and power? we can't be sure that Yhwach can restore it if it was totally of his name and power, that's a thing to The Almighty

?? Can you refrace a little?

 

[Bernkastelll]

?? Can you refrace a little?

wdym

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

wdym

"we can't be sure that Yhwach can restore it if it was totally of his name and power, that's a thing to The Almighty"

 

[Bernkastelll]

"we can't be sure that Yhwach can restore it if it was totally of his name and power, that's a thing to The Almighty"

Oh, I was saying that Yhwach couldn't restore his name and power if Ichibei choose to take 100% of it, as Ichibei said that only took half, but he could take all of it if he wanted to, we have no proof that Yhwach can be safe from having his name and power being 100% taken, only with The Almighty, which gives him resistance to it

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Oh, I was saying that Yhwach couldn't restore his name and power if Ichibei choose to take 100% of it, as Ichibei said that only took half, but he could take all of it if he wanted to, we have no proof that Yhwach can be safe from having his name and power being 100% taken, only with The Almighty, which gives him resistance to it

Both would be concept manipulation

 

[Bernkastelll]

Both would be concept manipulation

I know, but it would be Limited in this specific case