Anilaza (DBS Episode 121)

[Aeyu]

The thing is, though, combination attacks have always been shown to be MASSIVELY more powerful than what a single being can do by exponentially increasing its base power level. This is a constant throughout DB. (like MZ and Vegeta pushing back Merged Zamasu's attack), and the being kept raising its attack power, prompting the others to do the same as well.

I also think the Vegeta vs Jiren thing will make this a lot more complicated.

 

[Ryukama]

What evidence is there that 5 SSBs having a combination attack with all their power would be much stronger than all the power of someone with 20 SSBs, besides an example of Goku and Vegeta being real effective with a combination attack once?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It's not that complicated, if there is no reasoning justifying why vegeta can fight jiren, then it's it's an outlier/pis.

And as Ryukama said there is no proof that the SSBs Anilaza fought ware so much stronger that the 5 of them surpass 20 of the previous SSB, that's speculation.

Also vegeta and goku doing anything to MZ was also massive pis.

 

[AKM sama]

The only point worth focusing here imo is that Anilaza can get an "At least" because of sitting high asf on the 3-A scale and it could be applied to some other characters too. I am fine with whatever is decided on this. Not a very big deal.

We'll have to wait for the context of next episode before going any further on this topic.

 

[Aeyu]

If it happens over and over and over though why wouldn't it be taken into consideration?

Not to mention the Vegeta thing could be consistent based on the Black arc, but I do think they will explain it.

And well, every single combination attack in DB, to be sure. The FS Kamehameha, for one, not to mention the Galick Gun or any of the moves Goku + Vegeta have used in unison. That's not really my main argument, though. They were clearly shown to be struggling. That's the key and end point of all of this. He is definitely > 5 ~SSJB +- characters, give or take, to an unknown degree, and his abilities are in line with statements Kefla made, if you really wanna go down that road, since he blitzed God Goku as well.

 

[Ryukama]

When has a combination attack between 5 people been shown over and over again to be much stronger than someone who is 4 times those people put together?

I'm stopping here, but personally I still see zero evidence right now that Anilaza is stronger than SSB Kaioken x 20 or Kefla.

 

[Aeyu]

Well, I'll at least concede and say I'm not trying to say that said character is higher than 3-A, more that we just really don't know, hence the At least. I think the evidence is much stronger than say, Vegito being Low 2-C, at least.

 

[Ryukama]

The only way to know for sure on these things is wait until the episodes for more concrete evidence.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Ryukama. Perhaps we should close this?

 

[Aeyu]

Yes, I agree with Ryu as well, since this won't really go much further with what DBS has shown us so far, and plus so many different variables are in effect to different degrees, which people aren't necessarily all agreeing with. Toei has done it again unfortunately ;-;

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will close this thread then.