Anilaza (DBS Episode 121)

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I'm not sure then. We might have to wait until the episode airs to make an analysis.

 

[Megamangohan]

So vegeta is Low 2-C ONLY when fighting Jiren!?

 

[Huesito88]

Well we have to see the context for the next episode

 

[AKM sama]

Yeah, it's just conjecture at this point tbh. I'll now refrain from saying anything about the next episode powerscaling until I watch it with my own eyes lol.

 

[Huesito88]

And then it's revealed that vegeta in ssjb is stronger then Jiren ovo

 

[Antvasima]

I agree that Anilaza is likely comparable to Kefla in terms of raw power, and that Dragon Ball does not make a distinction between 3-A and Low 2-C like we do. It causes problems when attempting to rate it properly.

 

[PaChi2]

Goku didnt even go Kaioken.

Anilaza isnt Low 2-C.

 

[Dark649]

I also agree, Anilaza did not forced Goku to use the Kaioken.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

@Antvasima

While I do believe that Super does not make a true distinction from 3-A to Low 2-C I still don't believe that Anilaza would fall on Low 2-C since that would mean he is far superior to SSBKKx20 plus the spirit bomb if he is comparable to Kefla.

He might get a "possibly Low 2-C" depending on what happens next episode but I see him at best at "At least 3-A"

 

[Dark649]

The 3-A tier is very wide, it could be 3-A but close to the high end with not the at least.

 

[PaChi2]

The 3-A tier is very wide, it could be 3-A but close to the high end with not the at least.

there is no high end in 3-A, boi.

 

[Joseph619]

I agree that Anilaza is likely comparable to Kefla in terms of raw power, and that Dragon Ball does not make a distinction between 3-A and Low 2-C like we do. It causes problems when attempting to rate it properly.

I agree with that, the whole Low 2-C dragon ball characters come scaling from Zamasu. For everyone else, there's no distinction between 3-A and Low 2-C. You're just a lot stronger than your opponent, that's it.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Want to point out the Spirit Bomb worried Belmod, he was worried it could actually hurt Jiren (It didn't by the way)

But Belmod has fought and lost to Jiren so this implies that Jiren defeated Belmod while supressed and it implies the Spirit Bomb itself is Low 2-C.

Belmod thought it could hurt Jiren (Supressed) which means it can hurt Belmod since Jiren is stronger then him, even Champa seemed worried by the power the Spirit Bomb had.

Despite seeing Kaioken Blue the GoDs called the Spirit Bomb impressive and thought that no mortal could have such a powerful attack.

Kefla's power as a SSJ1 was stated to be equal to the Spirit Bomb and Goku as Blue was able to tade blows with her and with Kaioken blow her away.

 

[AquaWaifu]

what ever happened to High 3-A?


Do people here just forget theres High 3-A, they can be more than 3-A but not be low 2-C

 

[TheRustyOne]

Well if we ignore the Spirit Bomb worrying Belmod SSB Goku and other could be High 3-A.

Even after Jiren shook the World of Void Goku wasn't worried about fighting him.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

High 3-A could potentially work.

It depends on what the Staff thinks.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Why should be High 3-A again? Stomping 3-A characters doesn't mean you're infinitely above them.

 

[Joseph619]

High 3-A isn't necessarily a middle ground for 3-A and Low 2-C, it has it's own specific requirements.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I think they are saying High 3-A for characters who are close but not on the Low 2-C level like Jiren,UIO,GoD's etc.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Aniraza is definitely far into 3-A, matching a combined attack from SSJB Goku, SSJB Vegeta, Mystic Gohan, Golden Frieza and 17 and only being overpowered when 17 destroyed his head gem.

I'd REALLY suggest we wait for the next episode before we decide anything with Jiren and Vegeta.

 

[PaChi2]

Bending space through sheer power counts as small piece of 4D power? I dunno.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Super Saiyan God Julian That still makes no sense, when it comes to these levels when we are dealing with infinity, either you're on the same level or not, there is no middle ground, a High 3-A character is infinitely above a 3-A, and a Low 2-C, infinitely above a High 3-A.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Anilaza is definitely really high into 3-A. Possibly on fusion levels of 3-A.

 

[The_Everlasting]

"Low 2-C, infinitely above a High 3-A"

Not necessarily. At least not in the case of limited 4-D High 3-As.

 

[PaChi2]

"Low 2-C, infinitely above a High 3-A"

Not necessarily. At least not in the case of limited 4-D High 3-As.

That's what Anilaza could qualify as? Limited 4D?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Aniraza only has 3-A feats from what I've seen.

Absurdly high 3-A feats yes, but not High 3-A.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Ever You know what i meant, still a full 4-D character is still far above a limited 4-D character. Dragon ball characters are 3-D anyway, so what i said is correct.

Also we should wait for next week to see vegeta vs jiren, if it isn't explained that he got a power up to face jiren or anything, then it's just massive pis that he could harm him, or jiren is heavily restraining himself.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I agree with waiting. How about this?

We give Aniraza "Unknown. At Least 3-A" based on reasoning above and we change his statistics to whatever is appropriate until we know more? Would that work?

 

[Dark649]

Jiren is heavily restraining himself.

This.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Aniraza is like the YHVW of 3-A's.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Guys

Aniraza is 3-A.

There's no need for complications.

@Dark

Stop acting like that's confirmed. We have no idea for now.

Hell, on the contrary, in the preview, we see Jiren sweating, actually getting hurt and actively blocking Final Flash.

 

[Dark649]

We give Aniraza "Unknown. At Least 3-A" based on reasoning above and we change his statistics to whatever is appropriate until we know more? Would that work?

Nope, its current rating is fine as it is, no at least.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Let's see...

Aniraza >> SSJB x 5 >>>> individual SSJBs > SSJR Black >>> Early Future Trunks Saga SSJBs > U6 Saga Hit (Goku Black was stated by WoG to be > Hit) > U6 Saga SSJBs >>>> RoF SSJBs >>>> SSJG, which is 3-A.

Give or take and very roughly sorted.

 

[PaChi2]

SSBKKx20 > SSBx5 ovo

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Aniraza right now is possibly the fourth strongest character in the tournament (behind Kefla,UIO possibly KKx20 Goku and Jiren) via feats.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I agree with Everlasting.

I say we wait till January to discuss this.

 

[The_Everlasting]

We also have fully solid confirmation on 3-A 17.

 

[PaChi2]

We also have fully solid confirmation on 3-A 17.

You mean 3-A 18

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

@PaChi2

Well people were still doubting 17 was Blue/3-A level 17 so probably both.

 

[Peter1129]

So I'm guessing 17 is also really high on the 3-A scale with his barriers. Considering how he managed to crack Anilaza's energy generator after foucusing his barrier onto his fist similar to how Bartolomeo from One Piece did.