An upgrade for the Showa Kamen Rider Human Form

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

A simple revision to say but still pretty important, also credit and thanks to @Emerald who made the calc blog

Okay so, for we what we know, Showa Riders in their human forms are rated in baseline 9-B scaled from the Shocker combatments
But now with this feat where Hayato/Rider no.2 tanks an explosion below:

Kamen Rider (1971): Hayato tanks an explosion

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This would bump them to 8.8 megajoules (if i'm right converting it to megajoules), who's scaled to this? Well beside Hayato, it would be:

• Hongo Takeshi (downscaled from Hayato i think? As Hayato is stronger physically than Hongo)
• Shiro Kazami
• Joji Yuuki
• Keisuke Jin
• And of course the Shocker combatments as well

Not only that, this upgrade would apply as well to the rest of Showa Riders up to ZX

Thought? Agree on this? Write it below

 

[IxaSaga2]

Hongo, Hayato, and Shocker Combatmen are scaled to this. If I'm not mistaken, Gel Shocker Combatmen are 3x stronger than Shocker Combatman so they would be 0.00733584018 tons which would bump Episode 80+ Hongo and Hayato up to 9-A.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Following.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Hongo, Hayato, and Shocker Combatmen are scaled to this. If I'm not mistaken, Gel Shocker Combatmen are 3x stronger than Shocker Combatman so they would be 0.00733584018 tons which would bump Episode 80+ Hongo and Hayato up to 9-A.

So "at least 9-B, up to 9-A" for Hongo, Hayato, and the combatments?
That mean starting from Shiro/V3, his AP would be straight up 9-A?

 

[Emerald]

I agree with this, including the gel shocker multiplier that puts them to 9-A

 

[IxaSaga2]

Hongo and Hayato might just scale to 9-A post episode 80 because they have had upgrades but we need Zeek's help to be sure.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

On my way to call Zeed here

 

[ZeedKZ]

Take a note that, Shocker Combatmens are massively inferior to Takeshi and Hayato, with them only having a chance when outnumbered, so I'm not sure if the 3x multiplier will work here. They're not like Gel Shocker Combatmens, which even a single individual can be actually harm them.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Btw, I agree with the 9-B upgrade (although they'll end up being scaled to the kaijins anyway)

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@ZeedKZ I see, so "at least 9-B, 9-A in later series" for Hongo and Hayato is the way we go then
How about Shiro, Yuuki, and Jin? Should they be 9-A?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@ZeedKZ I see, so "at least 9-B, 9-A in later series" for Hongo and Hayato is the way we go then
How about Shiro, Yuuki, and Jin? Should they be 9-A?

Nvm i re-readed Zeed comment, Shiro and the others would be "At least 9-B" instead

 

[Lonkitt]

At least 9-B seems good

 

[Sir_Ovens]

This is fine.

 

[IxaSaga2]

I agree with At least 9-B

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I think this is pretty straightforward and majority of the supporters has agreed with this revision, guess we can applying the change now

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I have done applying the change, Shiro and Yuuki are remain untouched as they isntantly scaled to Hongo and Ichimonji from their pages, Jin maybe i can add more justification like (should be comparable to his predecessors like Hongo and Ichimonji), how's that? If not i can leave the change on Jin/X page to the others

 

[ZeedKZ]

Tachibana once mentioned that Keisuke had superior skills to Takeshi and Hayato, although I don't remember the context being bike skills or as a Kamen Rider. I ain't gonna talk about Shiro for now because he is subjected to a even bigger upgrade.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Tachibana once mentioned that Keisuke had superior skills to Takeshi and Hayato, although I don't remember the context being bike skills or as a Kamen Rider. I ain't gonna talk about Shiro for now because he is subjected to a even bigger upgrade.

Maybe rewatching the series again? Also another upgrade for V3? Spoil me

 

[ZeedKZ]

It is already on his profile lol, him tanking a bomb that caused a ship explosion, which is why the "higher" rating is on his profile due to no one figuring out the ship's model.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Huh nvm then lel
Okay then, i'll leave Keisuke/X page edit to you, and with that said i think this revision is over now, this can be closed

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I apologize for the late reply, I agree like the others but that's unneeded simce this has been accepted so I'll close this.