An issue with Zatanna's speed

[DMUA]

So yeah.

As mentioned here, there's a problem with Zatanna's speed.

Her speed is listed as "Unknown", meanwhile she has several instances of fighting with MFTL+ Characters and not getting omegablitzed.

So either they are outliers and the link to the respect thread listing them on her profile should be taken off, or we should revise her speed.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

I think rating her speed as MFTL+ is most appropriate for the scaling.

 

[Antvasima]

Given that she is supposed to be physically comparable with Catwoman, I think that this is a case of Plot-Induced Stupidity outliers.

I think that we might have to remove the respect thread, or simply mention why she is unknown in her profile page.

 

[Eldi_Osmenaj]

Maybe magic enhances her senses and she become bigger than earth and mars while battling zor that should be mfl with size alone.Shouldn't she have size manipulation for that?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I suppose that she should scale from fighting Zor, although it would have to be a separate statistics key, as she is not normally presented to be so powerful.

 

[Eldi_Osmenaj]

seems fine for me

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Well it can't be PIS id it happens all the time

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that you have a point. What do you suggest?

 

[DMUA]

Bumperino

 

[GalaxianAegis]

If she is more consistently fighting characters that fast, then we might need to look at it more closely.

 

[Antvasima]

Does anybody have more scans than just fighting Lobo?

 

[Eldi_Osmenaj]

Ecxept fighting lobo and zor what restraining aquaman casually,matched a green lantern blast,deafeting despero and mary marvel,which are in her page already,and keeping up with hawkman

 

[Cropfist]

she is supposed to be physically comparable with Catwoma

As her consistent feats are enormously above this, this is likely a case of authorial ignorance.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I suppose that it may be appropriate to list her with MFTL+ combat speed then, but it depends on what Matthew thinks.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I am uncertain myself.

 

[Antvasima]

"Unknown. At least Massively Hypersonic (Supposedly physically comparable to Catwoman), possibly Massively FTL+ (She has kept up with Lobo, Green Lanterns, Despero, Mary Marvel, and Aquaman) combat speed" perhaps?

 

[Thundereld]

I guess it seems fine.And her post-flashpoint version?That version kept up with aquaman,hawkman and the green lantern.Is this version also said to be compareble to catwoman or was it only said for her post crisis version?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, being roughly physically comparable to Catwoman is mostly guesswork on my part. I think that Zatanna is technically supposed to be physically inferior.

 

[Eldi_Osmenaj]

I have been thinking a bit and i agree wirh your guesswork MHS+ with possibly MFL+ combat speed,but in her key with the battle against zor,she's defenetly MFL+ and she should have size manipulation for becoming bigger than earth(large size type 5)

 

[GalaxianAegis]

You do make a good point there, that should definitely be taken into consideration.

The Zor stuff is definitely MFTL+ if he was really that big.

 

[Antvasima]

What do you think we should do Matthew?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

She was amped during the battle against Zor, and that feat isn't MFTL+ either.

But MHS, possibly Massively FTL+ Reaction Speed (Not movement speed) seems fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. What should we use as a justification?