Alucard VS The Dovahkiin

[ABoogieYesSir]

Alucard has no reasonable wincon here considering Dovahkiin atomizes

Like I said he doesn't resist everything he has and Alucard can seal him, Turn him into stone, and absorption.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Absorption is absorption of blood which gets lolnoped by 20X ap

Sealing requires Al to kill or at least Incap the Dovahkiin, like it does every time he ******* fights Dracula

Petrification counts under Transmutation

 

[TacticalNuke002]

"Everyone here talking about first moves are blissfully unaware of how TES Metaphysics work.

The Prisoner is free from the chains of causality and determinism that bind the Dream of the Godhead, and thus have true free will to be as they are, walk any path they choose and do as they will.

They can be of any race, any gender, and do anything, and it will be all simultaneously and equally true regardless of contradictions, as the Prisoner is an entity that exists outside all possibility-points (Possible future branching paths).

So the Dovahkiin will have every item they can use, every spell they can use, and will be able to act with maximum efficiency and use the best spells, shouts, techniques and attacks for the situation at hand."

-Matthew Schroeder

 

[Waria_Kambang]

Where does Dovahkin scale above 20X baseline?

Ok so that means it's basically random AF on what he starts with, so how does that prove he uses the staff of magnus in character?

Because as the Prisoner, the Dovahkiin is a quantum-being who simultaneously walks through all paths, with each of them being equally valid. This is already mentioned in his profile.

"As a Prisoner, the Dovahkiin is a quantum-being who is simultaneously of every race, every gender, and who walks all paths."

 

[Genericstickman]

Isn't Alucard's soul hax in the infinites

 

[Ogbunabali]

I agree this is a stomp. Alucard's soul hax, even if you wank it to the absolute max, it's still 3D. You need higher D soul manip if you want to even think about doing anything to the Dovahkiin.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

I agree this is a stomp. Alucard's even if you wank it to the absolute max, it's still 3D. You need higher D soul manip if you want to even think about doing anything to the Dovahkiin.

I agree with this.

 

[Genericstickman]

So… Dracula vs Dovahkin when? ovo

 

[TacticalNuke002]

I don't think Drac does much better.

 

[Keeweed]

So… Dracula vs Dovahkin when? ovo

We've done that multiple times now.

 

[Theglassman12]

That doesn't answer my question on what the Dovahkiin does in character. He can use theoretically everything that he gets in the game, but where does that lead to "he uses the abilities that Alucard doesn't resist" when he doesn't have any abilities that will let him know on Alucard's power?

 

[Ogbunabali]

Tactical posted the explanation above.

 

[Theglassman12]

That post doesn't explain how Dovahkiin would know to use the abilities and weapons that alucard doesn't resist.

 

[Ogbunabali]

He doesn't have to know. It has nothing to do with knowing. As a quantum being he starts with every single move he can make simultaneously.

 

[Theglassman12]

I'd like to see some scans or proof of him doing that.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Pretty sure Matthew's blog covers all of that. This is the most direct quote though

PIC 1: Through the breach, the gigantic form of Akulakhan looks down at all of us, unreadable hope in its eyes. Its third eye is open, with the barely discernable head of the Nerevarine serving as its pilot, the gender and race either indistinct or, if you prefer to render it this way: simply just "quantum-vibrating" too fast to tell.

-Landfall: Day 1

 

[Theglassman12]

How does that translate to him using everything at once?

 

[Ogbunabali]

Have you read the blog?

The Prisoner is a Metaphysical constant in the Dream of the Godhead, that exists as a quantum being that walks all paths simultaneously. Which makes him shoot a fireball and use Mehrunes Dagon to destroy and rewrite Alucard's nymic, and while naked beat Alduin with his fists all at the same time.

In layman's terms it's a meta analogy for the player character. Every save scam, every single playthrough anyone has ever done, etc are all true.

 

[Theglassman12]

If they're all true then how does he know what to use right away if basically anything he does is a coin toss depending on what the player does?

 

[Ogbunabali]

It's not, because they all happen simultaneously.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

Because every possible action that he can take will all happen simultaneously, since he walks through all paths.

 

[Theglassman12]

Ok, and what are his resistance levels on cause nothing is even mentioned on how potent Dovahkiin's resistance are

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

his soul was 1-A in resistance i think

 

[Theglassman12]

Pretty sure Ultima mentioned in the Joker vs Dovahkiin thread that the 1-A soul thing doesn't mean much in a versus thread.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Wouldn't his metaphysics automatically mean that every match with Dovah is an incon?

It takes every possible path it could... at once. Meaning, there are those that go at alucard screaming and naked and those that use all daedric artifacts a once. One may loose while the other wins, but both paths are true at once regardless.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

The ones where Dovah dies aren't the true ones

 

[FloweryAlex]

But the ones where he just runs away or is otherwise incqpped are.

His metaphysics don't work with Sba in mind, so a 24 hour incao or it just leaving for a week are both equally true.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

So, I don't think you guys are understanding Prisoner metaphysics properly.

Any path where the Dovahkiin is sealed way/killed/BFR'd would be invalidated by the path where the Dovahkiin comes out victorious, provided there's any chance of success at all. Past Prisoners have been able to use this to beat 99% chances of failure, such as those that Sotha Sil calculated for the Vestige to beat Nocturnal in ESO.

 

[FloweryAlex]

Why would the metaphysics consider SBA tough? If Dovah kills alucard after being out to sleep for 24 hours for whatever reason, why would the metaphysics undo that? Dovah still won, just not by our standards.

Why would it counter Dovah going away for a week to prepare just because we consider that a loss by BFR?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

leaning hard on the dova here

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Again, This is a stomp.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

would it change if it was dova vs dracula?

 

[ShivaShakti]

This is kinda a stomp oof

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Why would the metaphysics consider SBA tough? If Dovah kills alucard after being out to sleep for 24 hours for whatever reason, why would the metaphysics undo that? Dovah still won, just not by our standards.
Why would it counter Dovah going away for a week to prepare just because we consider that a loss by BFR?

Firstly, we have to assume that Alucard simply lets the Dovahkiin leave. Sure, in-game, creatures in Skyrim will stop following you after a certain point, but by SBA, they're already 4km away from each other and Alucard is coming with intent to kill. Why would Alucard let the Dragonborn simply walk away for a week?

Still, this is a stomp, as others have noted.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That didn't answer Flowery's question. It applies to all of the dovahkiins matches.

But dovah's ridicolous stealth can be a pretty good reason for it.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Pretty sure Dovah can just Mind Hax GG

 

[Waria_Kambang]

While it's possible for there to be the path where the Dovahkiin would run, that version would be completely overwritten by the path where he fight and win. During Morrowind, there must be one path where the Nerevarine run and just hide in his house, letting Dagoth Ur wins, but history still follow the path where he wins. During ESO, there must be at least one path where the Vestige just let Molag Bal or Nocturnal wins, but history still follow the path where the Vestige wins.

Also, while it is possible that there might be one path where the Dovahkiin would run, this is not always the case, as seenbin Landfall, where every version of the Nerevarine fought against Numidium and not a single one of them runs away.

 

[Asriel77]

That doesn't really answer my question. Has he used it in character? Cause aside from the dragon shouts, the Dovahkiin doesn't have anything to start off with iirc.

prison metaphysics makes it so he uses it regardless in character or not

 

[Asriel77]

basically anything dovakhin has which is covered through eso and matts blogg that he will pretty much use what he needs to use in order to defeat his opponent.

 

[Asriel77]

prison metaphysics were in fact agreed upon higher staff to be 1A hax because the prisonor surpasses the laws of time and casuality within the elder scrolls. with daedric artifacts he is at least low complexed multiversal. with etaeda artifacts he list into high hyperversal with magnus shit.

and his hax resistance should be outerversal, depends on the hax tho