Alucard(Hellsing) Immortality and Vulnerability

[JackWhite-01]

He still has regeneration without the souls. He uses souls to "revive", which is accepted only when he has his heart destroyed.

Did you not see the part where Abraham Van Helsing smashed the stake even further to his heart? Why didn't he not use a soul to regenerate here?

This can be clearly seen in the fight against Walter. He no longer had any extra souls and could still regenerate.

Where did it suggest that Alucard only 'dies' when his heart gets destroyed and he doesn't 'die' by other lethal damages except to the heart?

And what happened in the Van Helsing fight doesn't matter, as you said, Alucard has enhancements. Also, during the entire flashback with Van Hellsing, Alucard was still alive, even after being staked. What happened in that fight was mainly a mental/moral defeat that left Alucard totally submissive to the Hellsing family.

Alucard was still alive because Abraham Van Helsing chose not to kill him. Dracula could have taken the chance and used a soul to regenerate to retaliate back at Abraham van Helsing and company. Alucard getting enhancements was after he was spared and Van Helsing took him in and experimented on him. If you say what that other admin said "The organization engineered him to use souls to regenerate." that contradicts what Anderson said because said it in a manner that it is an innate natural vampiric ability.
And do you honestly think that fight was as you described a 'mental/moral' defeat? Do you think someone who feeds infants to his servants, ***** women, slaughters people, and plays mind games with them and have the capability to learn any value immediately after being beaten by a group of 5 men? No, just no.

 

[JackWhite-01]

We also don't know how strong Abraham was in the Hellsing verse. We know Integra, Yumie, Heinkel, Anderson and Walter are stronger than normal people can ever become, despite still being human. So what other abilities did Abraham and his friends have?

Let's just go by the novel scale. It is important to mention that when the timeline shifts from the Bram Stoker Era to the Hellsing era, the strength of the characters also shift and rank much higher.

 

[JackWhite-01]

Which scan do you mean? I have the manga.

Can you paste scans of the deluxe manga if you can?

 

[JackWhite-01]

What do you need?

Does the deluxe translation have the exact same wordings as the original dark horse translation?

 

[Crabwhale]

As stated by Integra, no he cannot be killed like any other vampire. But according to the soul count theory, he regenerates lethal damages with souls. He is immune to it and is capable of regenerating against it but then it would serve as a contradiction to the soul count theory because he is now immune to it and other traditional vampiric weaknesses he was experimented on to be and that would mean that there is no means of dealing lethal attacks to Alucard but using holy weapons and that would imply that Alucard needs to be killed X number of times with a holy weapon destroying his heart where X is equivalent to the number of souls, but that sounds stupid as **** and preposterous. The soul count theory was contradicted when Dracula couldn't regenerate after being staked and spared by Abraham Van Helsing to which you responded below and I'll get to that.

Okay, very neat. We tentatively might agree on something: Alucard may be more difficult to kill than an average vampire, even when specific weaknesses are targeted.

Now, my question is: how does this, in ANY WAY, refute the fact that the Major says Alucard is like a fortress manned by an army? How does it in any way refute what Alucard says in the official translation, which is essentially word for word "You will have to kill me thousands and thousands more times to succeed"? And before you mention Helsing again, what we see in this version of the tale is simply a quick shot of all the characters from Dracula, and a vague inference to Alucard "dying" under the sunlight. Which, clearly, he did not actually die, given that he's very much there, alive, doing work for the Order of the Royal Protestant Knights.

Nothing like this was implied in the novel or in the Hellsing franchise. Dracula lost after the combined efforts of Seward, Harker, Morris, Holmwood, and Abraham Van Helsing with Quincey Morris dying, Jonathan Harker escorting Mina, and John Seward beside Abraham; Dracula lost and asks Van Helsing if he lost to which he responds with affirmation followed by being reprimanded by him and Abraham Van Helsing stakes his heart and took him in.

This dialogue and scene you're mentioning does not happen in the manga whatsoever. There's just a a shot of each of the main characters, and Dracula getting staked. Also, I would like to point out here, for convenience's sake, that Dracula looks NOTHING like his novel counterpart is described. Furthermore, Hirano himself said in the VERY INTERVIEW that you posted in regard to the OVAs that the events of the novel may have happened, but Hellsing isn't a sequel. That to me signifies a clear intent that Hirano was just doing whatever the **** he wanted basing off a framework of another work he liked.

There were no scenes where Dracula pledged loyalty voluntarily and the chances of it happening are 0 considering how much of a piece of shit fiend Dracula was like how he fed a baby to his 3 brides, raped Lucy, psychologically tortured Jonathan Harker, and forced his vampirism to on his wife. Do you think such a figure would have the dignity to pledge such servitude?

It's not about him being a good person or not. It's about his world view and the place of humanity within it.

Before his first defeat, Dracula considered himself a monster that could not be defeated. After he was defeated, he considered himself a dog, unworthy of even the title of monster. And that's why he prostrated himself upon the Hellsing family. Because Alucard, to an extent, admires those men with the will and force of character to kill monsters, and believes said men are the only ones even worthy of killing monsters.

Otherwise, why would he even serve Integra? She can't physically compel him in any capacity to heed her orders. She's flat out struggling to even stay alive when Anderson's toying with her in Ireland, and we all saw how effective Anderson was against Alucard in the end. The only reason he's bound to her is because of her sheer force of will, carrying the legacy of her ancestors.

Alright I guess I have to do what I hate and that's parroting.

Yep, And I'm about done here, can we just put this up to a vote and get on with our days?

 

[DaReaperMan]

To be fair Tho Integra is not just A girlboss, she is THE Girlboss

 

[Phsccarvalho]

As stated by Integra, no he cannot be killed like any other vampire. But according to the soul count theory, he regenerates lethal damages with souls. He is immune to it and is capable of regenerating against it but then it would serve as a contradiction to the soul count theory because he is now immune to it and other traditional vampiric weaknesses he was experimented on to be and that would mean that there is no means of dealing lethal attacks to Alucard but using holy weapons and that would imply that Alucard needs to be killed X number of times with a holy weapon destroying his heart where X is equivalent to the number of souls, but that sounds stupid as **** and preposterous. The soul count theory was contradicted when Dracula couldn't regenerate after being staked and spared by Abraham Van Helsing to which you responded below and I'll get to that.

There is no contradiction. Alexander just ripped his head off, something that integral told him he wouldn't die just from that. And as we saw in Alucard's fight against Alexander Monster of God, he can survive with his head ripped off.

And he is not completely immune to vampire weaknesses, holy weapons still affect him, as was the case with the God Monster, who a measly stab to his head knocked out Alucard.

Also, why are you still using an Alucard from 100 years ago? You yourself say that he has been improved over several years, so his regeneration can very well be increased in terms of these improvements. You use the old Alucard as anti-fetus, since it's an Alucard without the enhancements.

Nothing like this was implied in the novel or in the Hellsing franchise. Dracula lost after the combined efforts of Seward, Harker, Morris, Holmwood, and Abraham Van Helsing with Quincey Morris dying, Jonathan Harker escorting Mina, and John Seward beside Abraham; Dracula lost and asks Van Helsing if he lost to which he responds with affirmation followed by being reprimanded by him and Abraham Van Helsing stakes his heart and took him in. There were no scenes where Dracula pledged loyalty voluntarily and the chances of it happening are 0 considering how much of a piece of shit fiend Dracula was like how he fed a baby to his 3 brides, raped Lucy, psychologically tortured Jonathan Harker, and forced his vampirism to on his wife. Do you think such a figure would have the dignity to pledge such servitude?

another difference between the book and Hellsing, the one in the book would never be so submissive.

But Hellsing's did. Alucard isn't being influenced by any kind of mind control or things like that, he could very well start killing everyone, including her, he's there voluntarily and it's up to you to prove otherwise.

No, Integra has confirmed that Alucard is 100 years of Hellsing's perfection and cannot be killed like any other normal vampire and Hirano also confirmed that his powers were modified by the organization. And how the hell are you bestowed intelligence? wtf? shouldn't intelligence be of his own?

Other common vampires die easily if severed. Alexander, an expert in this thought he could kill Alucard just by cutting off his head.

And how does that debunk the souls thing? Alucard cannot be killed like a normal vampire because of his thousands of souls. Alexander talks about souls/lives, the Major and even Alucard, when he tells Walter to keep killing him thousands of times.

Did you not see the part where Abraham Van Helsing smashed the stake even further to his heart? Why didn't he not use a soul to regenerate here?

Alucard didn't even die in that scene, so yes, he may have used a soul to not die.

Where did it suggest that Alucard only 'dies' when his heart gets destroyed and he doesn't 'die' by other lethal damages except to the heart?

I don't know, maybe Walter needing to stab Alucard in the heart even though Alucard has no souls left?

Dracula could have taken the chance and used a soul to regenerate to retaliate back at Abraham van Helsing and company.

Yes, he can do that. Nothing stops Alucard from wanting to kill Integra or everyone else.

And do you honestly think that fight was as you described a 'mental/moral' defeat? Do you think someone who feeds infants to his servants, ***** women, slaughters people, and plays mind games with them and have the capability to learn any value immediately after being beaten by a group of 5 men? No, just no.

Look how incredible, Hellsing's Alucard is not the same Dracula imagined and made by Bram Stoker.

Hellsing's Alucard submitted to the family willingly. Nothing, literally nothing stops him from getting rid of the hellsing and killing everyone.

ALSO, this is a huge testament right here that there is a probability that most people didn't actually read my points and argument and just disagreed on the spot without considering hearing from my side.

most of your arguments come from mistranslations and another part is talking about Alucard from 100 years ago, which as you said, is an Alucard without enhancements. So everything that happened to him doesn't matter.

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We have Alexander saying that because of the lives Alucard absorbed, that's why he doesn't die.

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We have the Major speaking this dialogue below. Talking about how this was Walter's chance to kill Alucard, and how he missed it. And wondering, how many lives does Alucard have now.

Official translation and not a fan mistranslation
"It's already too late for anything. You are no longer able to defeat him, you missed your last chance

I gave you a unique opportunity. You had the chance to physically finish off Alucard. Something that hasn't happened since 1898.

* part talking about the characters who participated in this massacre in England *

A unique chance that was created thanks to all this. The only instant in which it would be possible to kill Alucard.

How many lives do you think he has now? One million, two million. You are no longer a match for him."

3-
We have Walter having to pierce Alucard's heart (with no more souls left) with an iron cable to kill him, implying that this is how Alucard is supposed to be killed. Otherwise, Walter might just count Alucard's head or something else.

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And finally, we literally have Alucard telling Walter to keep killing him thousands of times after Alucard has absorbed the blood.

Again, official translation and not a fan mistranslation.

 

[DaReaperMan]

And how does that debunk the souls thing? Alucard cannot be killed like a normal vampire because of his thousands of souls. Alexander talks about souls, the Major and even Alucard, when he goes to bed with Walter.

You sure you haven't watched Hellsing Abridged recently?

 

[Random-Helper323]

I could have posted scans, I just didn't think it was necessary.

I named three requirements for this thread's interpretation to have a solid foundation, although really it's just two requirements. We needed a reason why this other translation superseded the official one. We now know it doesn't at all. The entirety of the argument against the statements was this alternate translation, which it turns out was a fan translation. So that means the statements from the Major and Alucard still hold true, meaning the statements about the soul count are still our best evidence about what the souls and blood mean. In short, the soul count statements still stand.

The evidence pointing to him dying from a holy weapon in the heart seems to be entirely based on the novel. The issue is multi-layered. Firstly, in Hellsing's continuity he didn't die when he faced Abraham, so the prescribed method of death didn't happen even if it was a sequel. The difficulty here is that you're looking at this character who can regenerate from far worse than heart piercing, and attempting to prove he would die if a holy weapon pierced his heart, even though no such event ever happened and no statement was ever made saying it would. In fact, the Major's statements tell us the exact opposite, because if it would have worked any time, it would not have taken all the stuff he did just for killing Alucard to even be possible.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

You sure you haven't watched Hellsing Abridged recently?

That's what Google Translate does for us.

 

[DaReaperMan]

That's what Google Translate does for us.

LMFAO

 

[JackWhite-01]

Does the deluxe translation have the exact same wordings as the original dark horse translation?

^^^^?

 

[JackWhite-01]

Okay, very neat. We tentatively might agree on something: Alucard may be more difficult to kill than an average vampire, even when specific weaknesses are targeted.

Now, my question is: how does this, in ANY WAY, refute the fact that the Major says Alucard is like a fortress manned by an army? How does it in any way refute what Alucard says in the official translation, which is essentially word for word "You will have to kill me thousands and thousands more times to succeed"? And before you mention Helsing again, what we see in this version of the tale is simply a quick shot of all the characters from Dracula, and a vague inference to Alucard "dying" under the sunlight. Which, clearly, he did not actually die, given that he's very much there, alive, doing work for the Order of the Royal Protestant Knights.

Doesn't matter if it was a quick shot, it wasn't vague either. We saw and heard a dialogue between and we saw Van Helsing ramming a stake in his heart so please answer without referring to Anderson or the Major's statements. If he was a fortress, why did he not regenerate after getting staked by Abraham Van Helsing and regenerated endlessly virtually against him and tire him out like that? He didn't die because Abraham Van Helsing chose not to kill him unlike him and the others who finished him off in the novel. Even if he was on the verge of dying and didn't die, he could have just used a soul to regenerate those wounds and retaliate immediately against Van Helsing. So if you did answer this previously, I didn't really see it as a direct answer but please answer directly this one right now so we can ascend higher. (Also, Character statements can be disregarded if it's contradicting with what's shown)

This dialogue and scene you're mentioning does not happen in the manga whatsoever. There's just a a shot of each of the main characters, and Dracula getting staked. Also, I would like to point out here, for convenience's sake, that Dracula looks NOTHING like his novel counterpart is described. Furthermore, Hirano himself said in the VERY INTERVIEW that you posted in regard to the OVAs that the events of the novel may have happened, but Hellsing isn't a sequel. That to me signifies a clear intent that Hirano was just doing whatever the **** he wanted basing off a framework of another work he liked.

Mate that dialogue did happen. It happened earlier in the manga, not around the ending. Also, Dracula is described as looking like an old man Transylvanian noble was a shapeshifting ability of his where he can alter his appearance to look like a certain age group. Hirano said it in a manner that the manga is not an OFFICIAL DIRECT SEQUEL from the novel perspective. He did confirm that the events of the novel did take place in the manga. And yes he created something out of his whim as a non-official sequel manga to the novel. How did you not comprehend that when he said that?

It's not about him being a good person or not. It's about his world view and the place of humanity within it.

that was only years after he was taken into the Hellsing organization. In the Bram Stoker era, Dracula had no such views even to the end when he died in the novel. These thoughts and perceptions of Dracula occurred after he was taken into the organization.

Before his first defeat, Dracula considered himself a monster that could not be defeated. After he was defeated, he considered himself a dog, unworthy of even the title of monster. And that's why he prostrated himself upon the Hellsing family. Because Alucard, to an extent, admires those men with the will and force of character to kill monsters, and believes said men are the only ones even worthy of killing monsters.

Yeah and then he served the Hellsing organization. the reason why I disagreed with you earlier is that either you worded it in the wrong way that right after he lost, he prostrated to Van Helsing or misinterpretation on my part. I don't know if this is true or not but most probably a headcanon so we won't look into it as much is that he is bound to the Hellsing organization due to the sigils on his gloves that have limiters on his powers thanks to the occult.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just saying, Alucard never made a thunderstorm like OG book Drac did

Speaking of OG book drac

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[JackWhite-01]

Yep, And I'm about done here, can we just put this up to a vote and get on with our days?

One last question for you, we know that Alucard wants to be slain by a human right? And he considered Anderson a perfect candidate for it. So are you telling me that if Alucard wants to die by his hands, he has to unleash all of his souls on one guy and destroy the surrounding environment as a by-product of that doing? With this also relates to the fact that Alucard also needs to ask Integra's permission to die indirectly if he wants to go level 0 and be vulnerable so that a human like Anderson can actually slay him. I'm actually intrigued to know what your and others' answers for this.

 

[JackWhite-01]

Just saying, Alucard never made a thunderstorm like OG book Drac did

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Alucard did display weather manipulation like bringing a fog when he arrived in London. Also, some abilities from the novel that he didn't demonstrate in Hellsing wouldn't refute it and it would just mean that the ability is latent and this is true since Hirano has indeed confirmed that what has happened(except the ending) in the novel has also happened in the manga as well. So Alucard does have the latent ability to manipulate the weather to the extent he can manipulate storms, mists, and fogs.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Alucard did display weather manipulation like bringing a fog when he arrived in London. Also, some abilities from the novel that he didn't demonstrate in Hellsing wouldn't refute it and it would just mean that the ability is latent and this is true since Hirano has indeed confirmed that what has happened(except the ending) in the novel has also happened in the manga as well. So Alucard does have the latent ability to manipulate the weather to the extent he can manipulate storms, mists, and fogs.

Nowhere near to the extent of making a storm cloud lol

 

[JackWhite-01]

There is no contradiction. Alexander just ripped his head off, something that integral told him he wouldn't die just from that. And as we saw in Alucard's fight against Alexander Monster of God, he can survive with his head ripped off.

No, decapitation is something that is lethal to vampires. So Alucard's suffering after being decapitated is lethal and would require a soul to regenerate. Vampires go dormant after being decapitated.

And he is not completely immune to vampire weaknesses, holy weapons still affect him, as was the case with the God Monster, who a measly stab to his head knocked out Alucard.

Yeah, I mentioned it earlier that he is immune to traditional vampire weaknesses and the only ones effective against him were holy weapons.

Also, why are you still using an Alucard from 100 years ago? You yourself say that he has been improved over several years, so his regeneration can very well be increased in terms of these improvements. You use the old Alucard as anti-fetus, since it's an Alucard without the enhancements.

to substantiate that the soul-based regeneration is actually false and that he could not regenerate his damages and wounds even when he has thousands of souls to use and get back up when he fought Abraham Van Helsing( I want to know your answer for why Dracula against Van Helsing did not regenerate despite having a multitude of souls). The enhancements were made after he was defeated and taken into the Hellsing organization. Again, if you say the organization engineered him into using souls to regenerate, then it would refute what Anderson said it because he said it as if it was an innate vampire ability as mentioned earlier.

another difference between the book and Hellsing, the one in the book would never be so submissive.

submissive in the sense?

But Hellsing's did. Alucard isn't being influenced by any kind of mind control or things like that, he could very well start killing everyone, including her, he's there voluntarily and it's up to you to prove otherwise.

you do realize the sigils on his gloves will kick in and put heavy limiters on his powers if he goes AWOL right?

Other common vampires die easily if severed. Alexander, an expert in this thought he could kill Alucard just by cutting off his head.

And how does that debunk the souls thing? Alucard cannot be killed like a normal vampire because of his thousands of souls. Alexander talks about souls/lives, the Major and even Alucard, when he tells Walter to keep killing him thousands of times.

I'll tell you why. Some believe that Alucard's regeneration and the reasoning behind Integra's explanation that he cannot be killed like any other vampire thanks to the Hellsing organization and the several instances in which he should have died were all prevented by him using a soul to regenerate against the severe amount of damage. So when he doesn't have a soul during level 0 to regenerate, he should have died after getting decapitated by the monster of God Anderson and he would not have regenerated and left him dormant.

Alucard didn't even die in that scene, so yes, he may have used a soul to not die.

If he did use a soul, wouldn't he also instantly regenerate completely and transform to the point as if all the damage was undone and now immediately has the capability to fight back Van Helsing?

I don't know, maybe Walter needing to stab Alucard in the heart even though Alucard has no souls left?

An error in Walter's knowledge that ramming a pipe into his heart wouldn't kill him. The organization made him immune to being staked by non-holy weapons.

Yes, he can do that. Nothing stops Alucard from wanting to kill Integra or everyone else.

But he didn't do that, why didn't he? Why did he not take the thousands of chances to regenerate completely and fend off Van Helsing and win the fight?
Also, I mentioned sigils would kick in like a failsafe to restrain his powers. And if he does go AWOL, they can set restrictions to the highest level and then kill him by destroying his heart with a holy weapon. Like, have you ever noticed that Alucard's heart got pretty grazed by Anderson's bayonet in the first battle? and notice how he seems lifeless but when his heart gets destroyed by conventional weaponry like when he gets gunned down, he regenerates like on a near-instant?

Look how incredible, Hellsing's Alucard is not the same Dracula imagined and made by Bram Stoker.

Hellsing's Alucard submitted to the family willingly. Nothing, literally nothing stops him from getting rid of the hellsing and killing everyone.

As mentioned above, the sigils will prevent that. Alucard did indeed submit to the family in the sense that he will serve them but it's not like voluntarily did it out of a change of heart. So, the point stands that Bram Stoker's Dracula and Hirano's Alucard are the same people with the same traits that have changed over the years after being taken into the organization.

most of your arguments come from mistranslations and another part is talking about Alucard from 100 years ago, which as you said, is an Alucard without enhancements. So everything that happened to him doesn't matter.

I now use the OVA as source but does the original Darkhorse have the same translation as the deluxe Darkhorse translation in the exact same wording?
Also, didn't y'all believe that Alucard/Dracula has the innate natural ability to regenerate from souls? That's why I brought up Dracula from the Bram Stoker era.

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Again.

1 -
We have Alexander saying that because of the lives Alucard absorbed, that's why he doesn't die.

2 -
We have the Major speaking this dialogue below. Talking about how this was Walter's chance to kill Alucard, and how he missed it. And wondering, how many lives does Alucard have now.

You know character statements can be contradicted with what's shown and can be disregarded?

Official translation and not a fan mistranslation
"It's already too late for anything. You are no longer able to defeat him, you missed your last chance

I gave you a unique opportunity. You had the chance to physically finish off Alucard. Something that hasn't happened since 1898.

* part talking about the characters who participated in this massacre in England *

A unique chance that was created thanks to all this. The only instant in which it would be possible to kill Alucard.

How many lives do you think he has now? One million, two million. You are no longer a match for him."

3-
We have Walter having to pierce Alucard's heart (with no more souls left) with an iron cable to kill him, implying that this is how Alucard is supposed to be killed. Otherwise, Walter might just count Alucard's head or something else.

But didn't Integra say that Alucard was immune to it thanks to the Hellsing organization? And ramming a pipe into his heart is like staking his heart with a sharp wood. It would have worked if Walter used a bayonet.

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And finally, we literally have Alucard telling Walter to keep killing him thousands of times after Alucard has absorbed the blood.

You know you can interpret it in such a way that he tells Walter to keep 'killing' him because it ain't gonna work and show a link that it's because he has souls but with few instances like where Dracula had souls to use to regenerate but he didn't would refute that.

 

[JackWhite-01]

Nowhere near to the extent of making a storm cloud lol

Again, it was a latent ability of Alucard in Hellsing. We got confirmation that Alucard has done that in the Bram Stoker era since Hirano confirmed what happened in the novel happened before Hellsing's timeline. So Alucard did indeed perform this feat. Also, why do you talk as if Alucard doesn't have the capability of doing that when he created a fog that was measured to 7-C(I think)

 

[JackWhite-01]

I could have posted scans, I just didn't think it was necessary.

I named three requirements for this thread's interpretation to have a solid foundation, although really it's just two requirements. We needed a reason why this other translation superseded the official one. We now know it doesn't at all. The entirety of the argument against the statements was this alternate translation, which it turns out was a fan translation. So that means the statements from the Major and Alucard still hold true, meaning the statements about the soul count are still our best evidence about what the souls and blood mean. In short, the soul count statements still stand.

Again. Character statements can be disregarded if it's contradicted.

The evidence pointing to him dying from a holy weapon in the heart seems to be entirely based on the novel. The issue is multi-layered. Firstly, in Hellsing's continuity he didn't die when he faced Abraham, so the prescribed method of death didn't happen even if it was a sequel. The difficulty here is that you're looking at this character who can regenerate from far worse than heart piercing, and attempting to prove he would die if a holy weapon pierced his heart, even though no such event ever happened and no statement was ever made saying it would. In fact, the Major's statements tell us the exact opposite, because if it would have worked any time, it would not have taken all the stuff he did just for killing Alucard to even be possible.

No, In the novel, Dracula is vulnerable to garlic, a cross, holy water, and holy wafer and would die if he was staked to the heart with something sharp(doesn't have to be holy) followed by a decapitation or his throat slit. After Dracula was taken into the Hellsing organization, Dracula was experimented on to be immune to all of this(except the holy ones, cuz how can you use/occult/science/alchemy to make someone immune to holy weaponry and it would make sense to leave at least one vulnerability in an ultimate weapon in case if it goes AWOL).
Have you noticed as mentioned earlier when Anderson's bayonet seemingly hit Alucard and he seems to be dead in the first fight between them(he had souls here at the time) but compare this with the times when Alucard's heart was damaged by non-holy weaponry or conventional weapons like being gunned down, you can see the gaping holes near the cavity of the heart and he regenerated far far more quickly and nigh-instantly after being on the receiving end of it.

 

[JackWhite-01]

Again I am asking. Does the original Darkhorse translation have the exact same wording as the deluxe Darkhorse translation?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Why is this still ongoing, and for that matter why are you attempting to dismiss the statements from Alucard and the Major even when your alternate translations are nothing? The statements from Alucard and the Major still stand firm. They are not to be thrown out. Prove a holy weapon in the heart will be fatal even when he has all his souls. Otherwise, all we have is the feats of regeneration and the statements. If that proof can't be provided, then you are attempting to counter the statements and feats with personal interpretations.

Abraham beating him is unknown because we don't know the method, we don't know how strong Abraham and Co. were, and we don't know if Alucard's regenerative abilities were present back then or if it's only after his upgrades and pooling his occultism with that the Hellsing family.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Again. Character statements can be disregarded if it's contradicted.

Find a contradiction in the manga. I would be fine with Alucard having that regeneration by default. So by all means, give me the proof.

No, In the novel, Dracula is vulnerable to garlic, a cross, holy water, and holy wafer and would die if he was staked to the heart with something sharp(doesn't have to be holy)

Novel isn't canon to manga. Manga supersedes it for Alucard.

followed by a decapitation or his throat slit. After Dracula was taken into the Hellsing organization, Dracula was experimented on to be immune to all of this(except the holy ones, cuz how can you use/occult/science/alchemy to make someone immune to holy weaponry and it would make sense to leave at least one vulnerability in an ultimate weapon in case if it goes AWOL).

This is a complete ass-pull. You literally just made that up.

Have you noticed as mentioned earlier when Anderson's bayonet seemingly hit Alucard and he seems to be dead in the first fight between them(he had souls here at the time) but compare this with the times when Alucard's heart was damaged by non-holy weaponry or conventional weapons like being gunned down, you can see the gaping holes near the cavity of the heart and he regenerated far far more quickly and nigh-instantly after being on the receiving end of it.

Wasn't an instant kill, and prove it would be if it was more holy.

Again, this is all headcanon and attempting to use the novel over the manga. Prove a holy weapon in the heart is fatal or this thread doesn't even have a toe to stand on, much less a leg.

 

[JackWhite-01]

Why is this still ongoing, and for that matter why are you attempting to dismiss the statements from Alucard and the Major even when your alternate translations are nothing? The statements from Alucard and the Major still stand firm. They are not to be thrown out. Prove a holy weapon in the heart will be fatal even when he has all his souls. Otherwise, all we have is the feats of regeneration and the statements. If that proof can't be provided, then you are attempting to counter the statements and feats with personal interpretations.

The first time when Anderson and Alucard fought. Explain why when Alucard was seemingly dead and took him far longer to regenerate when his heart was damaged by the blessed bayonet in comparison to when he regenerated nigh-instantly after his heart was damaged by conventional weapons like after being gunned down and grenades tossed at him.

Abraham beating him is unknown because we don't know the method, we don't know how strong Abraham and Co. were, and we don't know if Alucard's regenerative abilities were present back then or if it's only after his upgrades and pooling his occultism with that the Hellsing family.

Mate the author Hellsing has confirmed the events of the novel took place in the same franchise and the novel gave us an insight into how Abraham and the 4 guys fought Dracula. Why are you disregarding that? Dracula did have the ability to regenerate but not in the same potency as he is capable of in the Hellsing era(organization probably modified as stated by Hirano). But if you did say that the organization engineered him to use souls to regenerate major damages; that contradicts Anderson's and the major's statements of him using souls to regenerate as an innate vampire ability.

and also for ***** sake can someone tell if the OG darkhorse has the exact same translation as the deluxe one?

 

[JackWhite-01]

Find a contradiction in the manga. I would be fine with Alucard having that regeneration by default. So by all means, give me the proof.

If Alucard had the innate ability to use souls to regenerate severe lethal damages like when he got staked in the heart, why did he not use any one of his uncountable number of souls to regenerate the damages dealt by Abraham Van Helsing endlessly and tire him and win the fight? (Dracula would sure pull out anything to win the fight against Van Helsing or anyone if he is cornered) If you don't have a direct VALID response to this, then it's proven a contradiction

Novel isn't canon to manga. Manga supersedes it for Alucard.

So you are now disregarding the author's word where he said the events of the novel did in fact take place in the Hellsing franchise now? Well that's nice. Bias is off the charts now.

This is a complete ass-pull. You literally just made that up.

So what Integra said that he cannot be killed by the means of killing a normal vampire to which he was perfected by the organization's experimentation was also an 'ass-pull'? And how the hell can you make someone immune to holy weaponry(Unless you are high leveled demon)? And that suggestion I gave off isn't something you should take seriously and be incorporated into the franchise.

Wasn't an instant kill, and prove it would be if it was more holy.

Probably because his heart wasn't completely destroyed by the holy weapon. Notice that when a holy weapon damages his heart like in two instances where Anderson's bayonet in the first fight damages his heart(he had souls at the time) and in the second fight which was the final one where the holy nail amplified his bayonet was pushed in his heart cavity by half he seemingly looks to be on the verge of death? But when you see him getting his heart damaged by conventional weaponry, he regenerates almost instantly after receiving it.

Again, this is all headcanon and attempting to use the novel over the manga. Prove a holy weapon in the heart is fatal or this thread doesn't even have a toe to stand on, much less a leg.

So me using the novel as a source which the author confirms as it serves as a prequel to the manga is now a headcanon. Yeah, pretty much everyone is biased at this rate.

 

[Random-Helper323]

The first time when Anderson and Alucard fought. Explain why when Alucard was seemingly dead and took him far longer to regenerate when his heart was damaged by the blessed bayonet in comparison to when he regenerated nigh-instantly after his heart was damaged by conventional weapons like after being gunned down and grenades tossed at him.

I suggested multiple possible explanations ranging from him being out of shape, from him screwing around on purpose, to him being slowed down. Even if the holy weapons did slow him down, which is already just one interpretation of several, prove it has the capacity to be fatal to him even with souls. Burden of proof is on you to prove this guy who regenerates from liquidation will die from a holy weapon in the heart. Stop trying to shift the burden of proof and provide the proof.

Mate the author Hellsing has confirmed the events of the novel took place in the same franchise and the novel gave us an insight into how Abraham and the 4 guys fought Dracula. Why are you disregarding that?

The events in the novel conflict with the events in the manga. Why are you disregarding that?

Dracula did have the ability to regenerate but not in the same potency as he is capable of in the Hellsing era(organization probably modified as stated by Hirano). But if you did say that the organization engineered him to use souls to regenerate major damages; that contradicts Anderson's and the major's statements of him using souls to regenerate as an innate vampire ability.

They never said it was an innate vampire ability. So no, it doesn't contradict him using souls to regenerate, and it certainly doesn't prove he'll die from a holy weapon in the heart. Burden of proof is on you.

and also for ***** sake can someone tell if the OG darkhorse has the exact same translation as the deluxe one?

Even if it somehow didn't, it still wouldn't prove the holy weapon interpretation.

 

[JackWhite-01]

why don't you answer this question with a direct answer only.
One last question for you, we know that Alucard wants to be slain by a human right? And he considered Anderson a perfect candidate for it. So are you telling me that if Alucard wants to die by his hands, he has to unleash all of his souls on one guy and destroy the surrounding environment as a by-product of that doing? With this also relates to the fact that Alucard also needs to ask Integra's permission to die indirectly if he wants to go level 0 and be vulnerable so that a human like Anderson can actually slay him. I'm actually intrigued to know what your and others' answers for this.

 

[JackWhite-01]

I suggested multiple possible explanations ranging from him being out of shape, from him screwing around on purpose, to him being slowed down. Even if the holy weapons did slow him down, which is already just one interpretation of several, prove it has the capacity to be fatal to him even with souls. Burden of proof is on you to prove this guy who regenerates from liquidation will die from a holy weapon in the heart. Stop trying to shift the burden of proof and provide the proof.

What the hell do you mean by him being out of shape? Also, whenever the holy weapon damaged his heart, it had a fatal impact on him to which non-holy weapons did not show the same effect and you still ask for proof on how holy weapons to the heart are his weakness and brush it off by saying that I'm under the burden of proof says a lot honestly and one of that being is bias and probably even ignorance. Not once I have not acknowledged a single statement of yours or anyone as a matter of fact.

The events in the novel conflict with the events in the manga. Why are you disregarding that?

Just the ending where the only deviation is Dracula's fate which is also necessary to kickstart the manga. Why are you disregarding that?

They never said it was an innate vampire ability. So no, it doesn't contradict him using souls to regenerate, and it certainly doesn't prove he'll die from a holy weapon in the heart. Burden of proof is on you.

So you are saying that the Hellsing organization engineered him to use souls to regenerate fatal damages? This does refute Anderson's and The Major's statements as they said it in a manner that it was an innate vampire ability.

Even if it somehow didn't, it still wouldn't prove the holy weapon interpretation.

Just answer yes or no, is that hard? Is it hard to give a direct response? Because I found out about something that needs to be addressed but that requires a response saying 'yes' or 'no'.

 

[Random-Helper323]

If Alucard had the innate ability to use souls to regenerate severe lethal damages like when he got staked in the heart, why did he not use any one of his uncountable number of souls to regenerate the damages dealt by Abraham Van Helsing endlessly and tire him and win the fight? (Dracula would sure pull out anything to win the fight against Van Helsing or anyone if he is cornered) If you don't have a direct VALID response to this, then it's proven a contradiction

Prove Abraham didn't have other abilities, and prove Alucard didn't acquire those abilities through experimentation.

So you are now disregarding the author's word where he said the events of the novel did in fact take place in the Hellsing franchise now? Well that's nice. Bias is off the charts now.

Dracula died in the novel. He's alive in Hellsing. Where they conflict, the manga takes precedent.

So what Integra said that he cannot be killed by the means of killing a normal vampire to which he was perfected by the organization's experimentation was also an 'ass-pull'?

Irrelevant to the soul stuff, still doesn't prove holy weapons are an instant kill.

And how the hell can you make someone immune to holy weaponry(Unless you are high leveled demon)?

Headcanon. Prove the holy weapons in the heart are an instant kill.

Probably because his heart wasn't completely destroyed by the holy weapon. Notice that when a holy weapon damages his heart like in two instances where Anderson's bayonet in the first fight damages his heart(he had souls at the time) and in the second fight which was the final one where the holy nail amplified his bayonet was pushed in his heart cavity by half he seemingly looks to be on the verge of death? But when you see him getting his heart damaged by conventional weaponry, he regenerates almost instantly after receiving it.

Prove it would kill him despite his soul stock. Everything else is circumstantial at best.

So me using the novel as a source which the author confirms as it serves as a prequel to the manga is now a headcanon. Yeah, pretty much everyone is biased at this rate.

Yeah, Dracula was killed in Hellsing, and stayed dead forever. That's why he never appeared again, as he is after all dead.

why don't you answer this question with a direct answer only.
One last question for you, we know that Alucard wants to be slain by a human right? And he considered Anderson a perfect candidate for it. So are you telling me that if Alucard wants to die by his hands, he has to unleash all of his souls on one guy and destroy the surrounding environment as a by-product of that doing? With this also relates to the fact that Alucard also needs to ask Integra's permission to die indirectly if he wants to go level 0 and be vulnerable so that a human like Anderson can actually slay him. I'm actually intrigued to know what your and others' answers for this.

I'm the only one even trying to accommodate you. And your attitude is wearing through even my patience. Nothing you're saying proves holy weapons in the heart is an instant kill even through the soul stock, and your aggressive attitude is only making me less inclined to help you with anything. You know, like how I was polite about telling you that your super accurate translation was crap, while everyone else just mocked you? I even gave you a road map of exactly what proof you needed, and you told me to go **** myself for it. Even I'm wearing thin on this.

Anyway, let's put it to a vote and get this over with.

 

[JackWhite-01]

Prove Abraham didn't have other abilities, and prove Alucard didn't acquire those abilities through experimentation.

What a way to deflect the question. read the novel. Abraham Van Helsing didn't demonstrate any abilities but intellect and wits(he possesses several doctorates) and what 'abilities' are you referring to?

Dracula died in the novel. He's alive in Hellsing. Where they conflict, the manga takes precedent.

As I mentioned before in my previous comment. That one deviation was necessary to kickstart the Hellsing manga. Doesn't prove that the novel is not canon but the rest of the content is canon and Hirano did confirm those events happened. He doesn't have to specify for you that the ending deviated Dracula's fate for the purpose of the creation of the manga because any sincere fan can comprehend that.

Irrelevant to the soul stuff, still doesn't prove holy weapons are an instant kill.

Even though I mentioned why Holy weapons are his only effective vulnerability in my previous comment to which you said in that comment to also prove and I responded and you still saying that it doesn't prove that holy weapons are an instant kill without providing any refutations to my hypothesis.

Headcanon. Prove the holy weapons in the heart are an instant kill.

Alucard was seemingly dead and took him far longer to regenerate when his heart was damaged by the blessed bayonet in comparison to when he regenerated nigh-instantly after his heart was damaged by conventional weapons like after being gunned down and grenades tossed at him. I gave the explanation to which you addressed it as "ranging from him being out of shape, from him screwing around on purpose, to him being slowed down." What do you mean by being out of shape? I'm genuinely confused about that. Then you said it was him screwing around which doesn't make sense because he was seemingly lifeless after his heart got hit by a holy weapon and he didn't display the same bravado to intimidate and scare as he does to his enemies when he is gunned down. And you say that it makes him slow down advocates my side as holy weapons were the only things that slow him down but conventional weaponry did not display the effect on Alucard.
And notice how when Alucard fights Anderson who was the only one who fought Alucard with holy weapons, Alucard fights seriously(not just with Anderson but he fights seriously when he enters level 1 against Luke Valentine, Dandy Man, and Walter but he seems to be pushed at his highest against Anderson) unlike when he fights fodders. He seems to be fighting at a higher efficiency with Anderson(Who is the only one having holy weapons) in comparison to others.
Also, according to the soul count theory, souls give Alucard a far-heightened regeneration. So if he uses souls as fuels to regenerate damages that his normal regenerative abilities, how is that negated by dandy man's cards? Shouldn't using a soul to regen bypass that healing factor negation? You did in fact give Alucard low-godly regen with souls so shouldn't the soul-used regen bypass the regeneration negation? (Address that also while you are at it)

Prove it would kill him despite his soul stock. Everything else is circumstantial at best.

The very fact that Alucard seems dead after his heart got hit by a bayonet, Alucard started fighting more seriously against Anderson and notice as they fight later on that Alucard keeps using guns to fight and maintains his distance to shoot(final battle) unlike their first fight where he shoots in close range. (With the exception of the time they had a fistfight and when Vlad and Anderson fought with blades only at close encounters with one another)

Yeah, Dracula was killed in Hellsing, and stayed dead forever. That's why he never appeared again, as he is after all dead.

One deviation in the ending doesn't mean the rest of the content falls under non-canonicity. Hirano's words in this case are a word of god, the events in the novel did take place in the manga.

I'm the only one even trying to accommodate you. And your attitude is wearing through even my patience. Nothing you're saying proves holy weapons in the heart is an instant kill even through the soul stock, and your aggressive attitude is only making me less inclined to help you with anything. You know, like how I was polite about telling you that your super accurate translation was crap, while everyone else just mocked you? I even gave you a road map of exactly what proof you needed, and you told me to go **** myself for it. Even I'm wearing thin on this.

Even when I did not try to be aggressive, one may feel that way. If I did offend you in an insensitive manner, I apologize but other than that, I ain't sorry. You have been indeed ignorant at times like when I explain it and you brush it off by bringing up character statements and even cherry-pick some of my statements and disregard the rest. You keep advocating the soul count theory by using character statements that have been contradicted by what's displayed in the franchise. VS-battle Wiki even addressed character statements and one of the points stated that a statement should not be evaluated and must check If the statement conflicts with the story or feats of the character. There and threads addressing character statement reliability as well and you used statements as your method of rebuttal and not with what's displayed. so far I sensed two people mocking me and that was that admin and that Brazilian guy. Even if everyone mocked me, I actually found out none of them were fair and I sensed bias because not anyone used a feat to refute my points and only relied on statements. And some even don't even read my side of the argument just because they think it's false without even giving a thought about it like that lordgin dude. You indeed point out one feat which turned out in my favor. But you also have an issue of deflecting like how you are doing now and the one with you deflecting on why Dracula did not use a soul to regenerate the damages sustained thanks to Van Helsing to retaliate back and win the fight. You deflected this one question that turns in my favor by ranting out at me essentially. if it was any other questions that had a neutral side, you would have probably answered with a character statement or with something vague.

Anyway, let's put it to a vote and get this over with.

Found worth mentioning. I found a source dating back to 2006 of people slandering Duane Johnson's(Darkhorse) translation for Hellsing and people even preferred fan translations over it. here. One stated that the translation regarding vampires was mistakenly translated and one stated it was also 'inadequate'. There's more to it.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Even though I mentioned why Holy weapons are his only effective vulnerability in my previous comment to which you said in that comment to also prove and I responded and you still saying that it doesn't prove that holy weapons are an instant kill without providing any refutations to my hypothesis.

I don't have to refute a hypothesis. That's not how burden of proof works. Provide evidence that they're an instant kill just because there's a weakness to them.

Alucard was seemingly dead and took him far longer to regenerate when his heart was damaged by the blessed bayonet in comparison to when he regenerated nigh-instantly after his heart was damaged by conventional weapons like after being gunned down and grenades tossed at him.

We still can't be sure the blessed bayonet is definitely why he took longer. Even if it was it wouldn't prove a holy weapon in the heart is an instant kill.

. Then you said it was him screwing around which doesn't make sense because he was seemingly lifeless after his heart got hit by a holy weapon and he didn't display the same bravado to intimidate and scare as he does to his enemies when he is gunned down. And you say that it makes him slow down advocates my side as holy weapons were the only things that slow him down but conventional weaponry did not display the effect on Alucard.
And notice how when Alucard fights Anderson who was the only one who fought Alucard with holy weapons, Alucard fights seriously(not just with Anderson but he fights seriously when he enters level 1 against Luke Valentine, Dandy Man, and Walter but he seems to be pushed at his highest against Anderson) unlike when he fights fodders. He seems to be fighting at a higher efficiency with Anderson(Who is the only one having holy weapons) in comparison to others.

This proves Anderson is better, and sure, weaknesses to highly holy stuff is proven by the Nail. Again, prove it's an instant kill. Prove that any degree of holy weapon would land that instant kill. Not counting a weapon from some tier 1 verse which has so much cheapshit hax Alucard might as well kiss his butt goodbye on a 6D and conceptual basis the moment that character looks at him funny.

Also, according to the soul count theory, souls give Alucard a far-heightened regeneration. So if he uses souls as fuels to regenerate damages that his normal regenerative abilities, how is that negated by dandy man's cards? Shouldn't using a soul to regen bypass that healing factor negation?

Not necessarily. The soul fuel is just a source, his healing is still a regeneration subject to the same rules. And if the soul is only expended after a fatal blow, it might not even have an effect if he only has smaller wounds. It certainly seems to only activate when he wants it to.

You did in fact give Alucard low-godly regen with souls so shouldn't the soul-used regen bypass the regeneration negation? (Address that also while you are at it)

No, higher regeneration isn't automatically immune to all negation. It is usually harder to negate, that's all.

keep advocating the soul count theory by using character statements that have been contradicted by what's displayed in the franchise. There and threads addressing character statement reliability as well and you used statements as your method of rebuttal and not with what's displayed.

Statements are frequently used as evidence. And I initially supported Alucard having that regeneration at all times regardless of souls. It was the way the scene behaves that forced me to go with the soul count. Still nothing to prove a holy weapon in the heart will always kill him.

Even if everyone mocked me, I actually found out none of them were fair and I sensed bias because not anyone used a feat to refute my points and only relied on statements.

You have been indeed ignorant at times like when I explain it and you brush it off by bringing up character statements

^^ observe, everyone. Apparently you're wrong because you used statements as evidence. So every verse which has its ratings or abilities based on statements needs to be downgraded like, last week. Best get to it, everyone. That's a lot of downgrades.

 

[Crabwhale]

One last question for you, we know that Alucard wants to be slain by a human right? And he considered Anderson a perfect candidate for it. So are you telling me that if Alucard wants to die by his hands, he has to unleash all of his souls on one guy and destroy the surrounding environment as a by-product of that doing? With this also relates to the fact that Alucard also needs to ask Integra's permission to die indirectly if he wants to go level 0 and be vulnerable so that a human like Anderson can actually slay him. I'm actually intrigued to know what your and others' answers for this.

We've seen clearly that Alucard is BORED out of his skull. He's become so powerful nothing excites him anymore. He needs a worthy opponent to strike him down. That's why he gets so excited in facing Luke initially, and why he gets so immensely disappointed when Luke devolves into sobbing.

Crispin Freeman, the voice actor of Alucard in the English dub, actually did an entire interview on the matter which you can find on YouTube which I think hits the nail on the head very well. Alucard believes in the strength of humanity wholeheartedly. That encounter with Van Helsing really broke the monster within, and I wouldn't be surprised if his violent tendencies nowadays are moreso a product of his vampiric nature than any conscious desire for bloodshed he himself has.

Alucard is someone who is trying to prove a point. And that point is that humanity is enough. That monsters like him do not deserve to exist, and that man alone can vanquish them. That's why he has to unleash all his might against Anderson, that's why he's practically begging Anderson to not take the Nail, and that's why he tells Walter he was so much more beautiful as an old man when the latter became a vampire.

 

[JackWhite-01]

I don't have to refute a hypothesis. That's not how burden of proof works. Provide evidence that they're an instant kill just because there's a weakness to them.

How can you still say that I carry the burden of proof when I did give you evidence that suggests that holy weapons are only lethal to Alucard? You are still yet to refute it and you shrug it off by saying that "it's not proof that it's an instant kill", probably because the holy weapon didn't destroy his heart completely and when we see what happens when holy weapons do some damage to Alucard's heart, he takes FAR longer to regenerate unlike when his heart is damaged by conventional weaponry.

We still can't be sure the blessed bayonet is definitely why he took longer. Even if it was it wouldn't prove a holy weapon in the heart is an instant kill.

Ok, you are being very dense now. The Bayonet was the only weapon that made Alucard vulnerable and was the only weapon that made him too long for him to regenerate. No other weapon displayed that feat, how can you say that "we can't be sure about it" when it is definitively illustrated. And yes it would prove that it would be an instant kill because when his heart was damaged to a certain amount by a bayonet when it was stabbed halfway through or did some lacerations to a part of it, he seemed lifeless. Imagine if the bayonet destroyed the heart completely, he would have died.

This proves Anderson is better, and sure, weaknesses to highly holy stuff is proven by the Nail. Again, prove it's an instant kill. Prove that any degree of holy weapon would land that instant kill. Not counting a weapon from some tier 1 verse which has so much cheapshit hax Alucard might as well kiss his butt goodbye on a 6D and conceptual basis the moment that character looks at him funny.

I mentioned above why it's an instant kill. and are you referring Schrodinger 6D?

Not necessarily. The soul fuel is just a source, his healing is still a regeneration subject to the same rules. And if the soul is only expended after a fatal blow, it might not even have an effect if he only has smaller wounds. It certainly seems to only activate when he wants it to.

The soul is used to regenerate when Alucard cannot regenerate damages that his own regenerative abilities cannot cover on his own. Alucard even stated that He CANNOT stop the bleeding. Go check your translation(which was slandered despite being official) to confirm that.

No, higher regeneration isn't automatically immune to all negation. It is usually harder to negate, that's all.

But according to the soul count, Alucard uses souls to regenerate damages that he cannot normally regenerate. This means that if his normal regen cannot regenerate the damages sustained by dandy man's cards, he could use a soul to regenerate the damages caused by the cards. Also, Monster of God Anderson also displayed similar regeneration to Alucard in terms of potency where his regeneration bypassed healing factor negation.

Statements are frequently used as evidence. And I initially supported Alucard having that regeneration at all times regardless of souls. It was the way the scene behaves that forced me to go with the soul count. Still nothing to prove a holy weapon in the heart will always kill him.

VS-battle Wiki even stated that statements can be disregarded if it conflicts with the plot and feats displayed.
Plot being- Dracula not being able to regenerate the damages caused by Van Helsing despite having thousands of souls. (This was also a question that I asked you which you deflected like a wuss)
Feats being- Not being able to regenerate against healing factor nullification despite having thousands of souls to which are used to regenerate ANY amount of damages regardless of its severity.

^^ observe, everyone. Apparently you're wrong because you used statements as evidence. So every verse which has its ratings or abilities based on statements needs to be downgraded like, last week. Best get to it, everyone. That's a lot of downgrades.

Average roman Herald moment here^^
You dismissed VS-Battle Wiki's address on character statements and you try to insinuate an in-direct mockery of me via sarcasm lmao.

Also, bring out all the scans of the dialogue between Richard and Integra in chapter 20 regarding a discussion of a vampire's powers

 

[JackWhite-01]

We've seen clearly that Alucard is BORED out of his skull. He's become so powerful nothing excites him anymore. He needs a worthy opponent to strike him down. That's why he gets so excited in facing Luke initially, and why he gets so immensely disappointed when Luke devolves into sobbing.

Crispin Freeman, the voice actor of Alucard in the English dub, actually did an entire interview on the matter which you can find on YouTube which I think hits the nail on the head very well. Alucard believes in the strength of humanity wholeheartedly. That encounter with Van Helsing really broke the monster within, and I wouldn't be surprised if his violent tendencies nowadays are moreso a product of his vampiric nature than any conscious desire for bloodshed he himself has.

Agreed, which was something Dracula developed after being their pet for years.

Alucard is someone who is trying to prove a point. And that point is that humanity is enough. That monsters like him do not deserve to exist, and that man alone can vanquish them. That's why he has to unleash all his might against Anderson, that's why he's practically begging Anderson to not take the Nail, and that's why he tells Walter he was so much more beautiful as an old man when the latter became a vampire.

You are telling me, that Alucard if he finds someone worthy to kill him who himself is desperate to die at the hands of a human, he would unleash an uncountable number of souls on that 1 guy? No, this is just getting irrational. If this was the case, he technically needs Integra's permission first if he wants to die(which is something that Integra doesn't want as she was mourning Alucard not to leave her after being erased from existence). Level 0 was just a contingency for the Hellsing organization if they are fighting armies just in case like how the release of all of the souls was just used to fend off the Last Battalion and the 9th Division Crusaders(And was manipulated by Alucard to overwhelm Anderson to put pressure on him to see capacities at what lengths he would go to kill Alucard)

 

[Crabwhale]

I dunno what to tell ya man, we just entirely disagree here.

 

[Random-Helper323]

How can you still say that I carry the burden of proof when I did give you evidence that suggests that holy weapons are only lethal to Alucard? You are still yet to refute it and you shrug it off by saying that "it's not proof that it's an instant kill", probably because the holy weapon didn't destroy his heart completely and when we see what happens when holy weapons do some damage to Alucard's heart, he takes FAR longer to regenerate unlike when his heart is damaged by conventional weaponry.

Ok, you are being very dense now. The Bayonet was the only weapon that made Alucard vulnerable and was the only weapon that made him too long for him to regenerate. No other weapon displayed that feat, how can you say that "we can't be sure about it" when it is definitively illustrated. And yes it would prove that it would be an instant kill because when his heart was damaged to a certain amount by a bayonet when it was stabbed halfway through or did some lacerations to a part of it, he seemed lifeless. Imagine if the bayonet destroyed the heart completely, he would have died.

Okay, are you saying that the weapon needs to be more holy than the blessed bayonets or that it has to destroy his heart completely? You have now said both at different times, so please at least pick one. Both of these are entirely speculation, which is why I keep saying you need proof. Even you literally just said you have to imagine the result, precisely because nothing shows or hints at it.

I mentioned above why it's an instant kill. and are you referring Schrodinger 6D?

You have a bit of an issue understanding what people mean, don't you? I've noticed you talked about your translation without ever presenting it, and you use leaps of speculation without even properly describing them. Almost as if you think your interpretation must be held by everyone without you explaining it. It does explain some of your issues. You also made the mistake of lashing out at everyone without figuring out where everyone stands, and made no attempt to speak to any of us first. You clearly don't know how things are done here, and that's fine. I actually tried to coach you through some of that. The problem is you're so hostile and cocky about it.

In answer to your question, no, I'm not talking about Schrodinger. I'm saying that there's no clarification on what a weapon would even need to satisfy the bill, and if we want to stretch to other verses and their weapons, there are powers and weapons that would easily kill Alucard in many verses, but it's because of terrifying hax, not holy power.

The soul is used to regenerate when Alucard cannot regenerate damages that his own regenerative abilities cannot cover on his own. Alucard even stated that He CANNOT stop the bleeding

And then he stopped it by releasing level 1. Obviously he could stop the bleeding by ramping up his power. That indicates Level 1 grants a layer of resistance to regeneration nullification actually. And again, the heightened regeneration doesn't automatically resist regeneration nullification. I don't know why you don't grasp that.

Go check your translation(which was slandered despite being official) to confirm that.

Everything gets slandered. They mostly talked about the accents. I might discuss the translation with Gin and Crabwhale later, but your behaviour thus far has made me extremely disinclined to involve you in that discussion.

But according to the soul count, Alucard uses souls to regenerate damages that he cannot normally regenerate. This means that if his normal regen cannot regenerate the damages sustained by dandy man's cards, he could use a soul to regenerate the damages caused by the cards

Not if the nullification can also damage that higher level of regeneration. That's exactly why regeneration nullification is such a threat to characters who rely on their healing. Although Tubalcain only seemed to be slowing down Alucard's ability to heal. No proof it had any ability to kill him.

Also, Monster of God Anderson also displayed similar regeneration to Alucard in terms of potency where his regeneration bypassed healing factor negation.

More accurately it resisted the mercury in the Jackal, but given that Level 1 Alucard can resist the regeneration nullification, it's not a large stretch for Anderson to have some similar ability, given their similar level.

VS-battle Wiki even stated that statements can be disregarded if it conflicts with the plot and feats displayed.
Plot being- Dracula not being able to regenerate the damages caused by Van Helsing despite having thousands of souls. (This was also a question that I asked you which you deflected like a wuss)

The manga takes priority over the novel, there are clear contradictions as outlined by Crabwhale, and we don't know if Alucard only gained that ability later due to further experiments. We also don't know what other methods or abilities might have been involved in Hellsing's version of the Dracula story, since the flashback is very short and limited.

Feats being- Not being able to regenerate against healing factor nullification despite having thousands of souls to which are used to regenerate ANY amount of damages regardless of its severity.

Unless that healing is nullified. Regeneration nullification is very threatening to anyone who relies on their healing. Heightening that healing is not a guaranteed protection.

Also, bring out all the scans of the dialogue between Richard and Integra in chapter 20 regarding a discussion of a vampire's powers

Sure, let me dig through it again and meticulously type out quotes for the person who repeatedly claimed to have the original official translation only to ultimately reveal it was a scanlation, and who has been nothing but hostile to me this entire time. All to refute a speculation which has still not been demonstrated in any way.

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Look, against my better judgement I'll try to level with you, so if you're at all willing, let's try to calm down here. The reason is simple. Your entire theory requires actual evidence that the prescribed method (piercing/destroying the soul with any holy weapon/a particularly holy weapon; still unclear on what specifically the prescribed method even is) will work. You can call out the souls count method all you want. I didn't like the soul count thing either. You still need to justify how we can say that this character who can regenerate from a mass of gunk will die from heart destruction. Clarifying that holy weapons are an added issue for him doesn't satisfy this without further context, and neither does pointing out regeneration nullification which he is also able to resist. We still need proof that such a blow will kill him despite knowing he can regenerate his destroyed heart and body, and knowing holy weapons aren't his favourite thing but he can survive them.

Even if the interpretation was that his regeneration was still the same after he released all his familiars, and therefore it had to be a unique quality of Anderson's that threatened him, we then have to figure out how to define that, because his soul army burning like that is not standard practice for all holy manipulation, and it also never reached his heart so without Walter's statements later we'd have no proof reaching his heart was significant. We'd also need to know how holy an item needs to be, given that it also implies layers of resistance. And this is all contradicted by Walter attempting to kill him with a length of metal ripped from some rubble.

 

[DaReaperMan]

To note a coupoe weapons that would murder-**** Alucard so hard Integra and Seras wouldn't get the funeral invitation until AFTER its over, Ghal Maraz and The Widowmaker(Fantasy of course, that thing is feared by This guy),

 

[Random-Helper323]

To note a couple weapons that would murder-**** Alucard so hard Integra and Seras wouldn't get the funeral invitation until AFTER its over, Ghal Maraz and The Widowmaker(Fantasy of course, that thing is feared by This guy),

Yeah, but that nullifies mid-godly, has concept manipulation, and all on an outerversal scale. There's not a whole lot that wouldn't die from that. You'd either need to be 1-A yourself and also have resistance to concept hax, or you'd have to have high-godly and resistance to concept hax.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah, but that nullifies mid-godly, has concept manipulation, and all on an outerversal scale. There's not a whole lot that wouldn't die from that. You'd either need to be 1-A yourself and also have resistance to concept hax, or you'd have to have high-godly and resistance to concept hax.

I mean you said there were weapons that'd do Alucard in and I gave some examples

 

[Random-Helper323]

I mean you said there were weapons that'd do Alucard in and I gave some examples

I know, that's fair. I'm just saying that dying to those monsters is no shade on him.