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Altair Vs. Yogiri Takatou

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So wait he have a "possible" way to kill concept but he don't have any feat of killing a concept being because fear that he destroy the universe huh?
 
@Light

Yep.

@EmperorDoom

Under normal circumstances, that might be true (Although given ID's curse-like effects, not sure Regenerationn would work, in addition to that he has ways around it), however Altair's Regenerationn is based on type 8 immortality which Yogiri negates with ID.
 
"and 8; exists in as the collective thoughts of those have have perceived her and thus does not age, cannot be harmed normally, and is reliant on such perception."

^^^Is that not the case Gar?
 
YungManzi said:
@Light
Yep.

@EmperorDoom

Under normal circumstances, that might be true (Although given ID's curse-like effects, not sure Regenerationn would work, in addition to that he has ways around it), however Altair's Regenerationn is based on type 8 immortality which Yogiri negates with ID.
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What about Altair's immortality types 5 and 6? Yogiri cant negate that.
 
@EmperorDoom

Type 6 doesn't protect from ID, and Yogiri kills things that aren't "alive" on a regular basis. Killing beings made up of space-time, killing objects and puppets, killing magic, power, body parts, undeads, ect.

@Schnee

If she is reliant on it, wouldn't her Regen also be relient on it? Iirc that's the reason why;

"Immortality greatly enhanced (Although previously reliant on every human that has perceived her, she is now additionally reliant on many beings throughout a multiverse of unknown size)"

^^^This is in her second key.
 
@Yung

That not what i asking what i saying that he completely featless when it come to killing an abstract by the look of his profile it say

"ogiri Stated that he could probably kill abstract things such as concepts or ideas, but doesn't because he is afraid he might destroy the entire universe on accident as a result."

So he never have any feat shown that he kill an abstract only started that he can.
 
Too much speculation on if he can kill an abstract or not and even then its unsure how. However, its not that a big deal since Altair has a passive causality and plot manipulation protecting her which was also able to deflect a concept killing attack from Aliceteria. On the other hand, there seems to be multiple ways for her to kill him. Such as power nullification, power mimicry or cloning, existence erasure, probability manip+possession which works on Type 4 acausals, concept manip,etc.

So yeah voting for Altair.

Also, her type 8 immortality is in her first key too. And she outright regenerated when Sirius erased her with her Holopsicon.
 
Umm...Yogiri's killed a being made up of several universes, and has been stated to be able to kill ghosts. Not only that, but he's able to "kill" body parts, magic itself, and his power exists beyond fate. His entire ability works on a more abstract level given the fact that he can "kill" things which aren't alive and have no physical form.

Even if he can't permanently effect Altair because of her abstraction (Which honestly might not matter anyway, but that's after this point), his power would just target the humans which are sustaining her life, and since he negs type 8 and has universal+ range (At least), it's entirely likely for that to happen.

Something like probability manipulation isn't working on him, plot manipulation wouldn't do any good either.

Actually, plot manipulation (As an attack, not protection) might help if it wasn't for the fact that Yogiri is increadibly quick on the draw with ID, and always hits his opponent with it before his opponent can hit him.

Rather than saying that tier 7 Altair doesn't have type 8 immortality, I was pointing out that her type 8 is something which Yogiri gets around.
 
Uhhhhhhh so how do he know about Altair weakness if he don't have any precognition, information analysis or prep time?

And since his durability is only Athlete level she literally just need to throw her sword and he dead and if you argue that he can dodge it he can't because is a homing attack.
 
He doesn't need to know about it, his power does it on it's own.

He killed Sage Lain through targeting a clone despite the fact that her true self existed in another "dimension" (Which he didn't know about).

He "killed" the HRE by killing its avatar (Which he used ID on, not knowing that it was the avatar of a higher dimensional being, in-fact he still doesn't know about that)

Throwing her sword won't do anything, he can "kill" weapons..making them completely useless.
 
Umm...Yogiri's killed a being made up of several universes, and has been stated to be able to kill ghosts. Not only that, but he's able to "kill" body parts, magic itself, and his power exists beyond fate. His entire ability works on a more abstract level given the fact that he can "kill" things which aren't alive and have no physical form.

I fail to see how that is even "More Abstract" than a concept. What you just described is only Death Manipulation along with Power Nulliication. Being made up of several universes, ghosts, magic,etc doesnt make it abstract. And not being alive or having no physical form doesn't equate to type 1 Abstract existence.

Even if he can't permanently effect Altair because of her abstraction (Which honestly might not matter anyway, but that's after this point), his power would just target the humans which are sustaining her life, and since he negs type 8 and has universal+ range (At least), it's entirely likely for that to happen. Rather than saying that tier 7 Altair doesn't have type 8 immortality, I was pointing out that her type 8 is something which Yogiri gets around.

Even Low 7-C Altair's Type 8 works on a 2-C level due to the fact that she has been to multiple universes prior to coming to the real world where she was perceived. Also scans or quotes of him negging type 8?? Because that seems like an extrapolation of his ability which is not even present in his feats section. Also, Bypassng Type 9 =/= Bypassing Type 8 if youre gonna comment about it. You'll have to show that the abilty is capable of bypassing Type 8 immortality that is reliant on everyone who has perceived her including Yogiri himself. And going by what you described in your last comment, it just specifies that the attack can bypass Type 9. This is something even many Tensei Shitara Slime characters can do. Yet we dont give them capable of bypassing type 8 unless its shown to do so.

Something like probability manipulation isn't working on him, plot manipulation wouldn't do any good either. Actually, plot manipulation (As an attack, not protection) might help if it wasn't for the fact that yogiri is increadibly quick on the draw with ID, and always hits his opponent with it before his opponent can hit him.

Kek. Altair's Probability and Plot manipulation worked on a Type 4 Acausal being and can even reflect Concept Killing Attacks. On top of Plot manipulation being a passive ability of her. So doesn't matter is Yogiri or his ability is "Beyond Fate" as it will protect her passively like it did in the Elimination Chamber.

Throwing her sword won't do anything, he can "kill" weapons..making them completely useless.

Oh cool, Power Nullification. But Guess what, Altair lolnoped Sirius's Power Null which was more powerful than Selesia's Power Null which was itself powerful enough to momentarily bind Altair who was causally resisting the Universe's attempts to null her completely.
 
Voting for Altair. Yogiri's ability doesn't seem to be able to affect a Type 4 Concept with Type 8 Immortality on 2-C range. Let alone the fact that there's passive Plot Manipulation and Causality Manipulation protecting her which isn't getting bypassed by Yogiri. And since Altair resists at least Low 2-C level powernull casually, don't think Yogiri would be able to do anything to her at all.
 
@David

It's stated to be "Beyond Fate itself". You cannot go back in time and prevent it from being activated, or change causality to make it not happen.

I forgot about this thread. I mostly gave up on it, because I had a lengthy response to RM97 and BMW, but accidentally erased it....Now I don't even feel like going back through the WN to dig up what I used as an argument then.
 
Voting for Inconclusive.

Altair creates a clone of him whilst instantly gets a heart attack from reading too much trash novels and never alive again. Clone Yogiri spawn somewhere out of his sight. Original Yogiri have no knowledge of his clone existing, didn't know his clone existed. Yogiri's clone attacks Yogiri and dies. Yogiri clone destroy the reality cuz he have no purpose. The World dies and Article 13 is finally dead.

Edit:

Next time, I want to see more Yogiri battles...

Yogiri vs Kumagawa Misogi

Yogiri vs Yukari Yakumo

Yogiri vs Kamijou Touma

(By the way, don't recommend me creating versus thread)
 
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