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Alovenus and Ruphas downgrade

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Disagree, most of what is in the OP is taken out of context. Please do make a proper CRT and don't copy and paste from other sites without doing it properly

And again for the abilities section no one in this wiki uses the omnipotent as anything tangible
And when someone ability gets countered by someone else, the person gets resistance to the said ability not that you remove the ability cause it was countered.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
No actually that is how it works, if you're dimensionally above someone, you will bypass invulnerability, immunities, resistances, etc. They can't comprehend you
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Bruh it's like saying Bleach characters can soul hax a character with no soul because their soul hax is 4-D while the character with no soul is just 3-D lol.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
No, the sword gained its being unbreakable, but through transcendence, she was able to break it, as her desire to win was stronger than Alovenus. If anything, that HELPS them, rather than hurts. You could claim something unbreakable, and someone higher than you INFINITELY, will indeed break it. What you're assuming, is that the sword is unbreakable by anyone, which makes no sense towards the actual novel(where Ruphas was made to counter Alovenus with said abilities)
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Lmao, no. If the sword is supposed to be unbreakable then you can be infinitely more stronger than the person wielding it, or you can transcend, and you still won't break it through raw power. That's just how unbreakable works, it breaking through it with raw power, regardless if your transcendent over the person, or infinitely stronger still contradicts it being unbreakable. As again, the sword broke through raw power.

You're talking about a novel with writing about as bad if not worse than Suggsverse. Honestly, Suggsverse > AWLBA and I will die on that ******* hill.
 
Shuradou said:
The fact that finite shit makes it faster.....?

Since when Multiplying with speed of light is plot manipulation :/

That's not how infinite works buddy.

Ok? not sure how is irrelevant or related to what I said.
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That's how scaling works here.

They have plot manipulation

That is how infinite works here

Again i'm saying that's how it works here
 
Cultivator_Daemon said:
Lmao, no. If the sword is supposed to be unbreakable then you can be infinitely more stronger than the person wielding it, or you can transcend, and you still won't break it through raw power. That's just how unbreakable works, it breaking through it with raw power, regardless if your transcendent over the person, or infinitely stronger still contradicts it being unbreakable. As again, the sword broke through raw power.

You're talking about a novel with writing about as bad if not worse than Suggsverse. Honestly, Suggsverse > AWLBA and I will die on that ******* hill.
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No, if you transcend them, it will break, you basically calling the vs wiki logic here suggsverse at that point
 
Lormac_CC said:
R/F, I believe that's how it is
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Little bruh moment there. O-0

I be confusion then cause that's just dummy. If you transcend someone, you just can't be hurt or even comprehended by them due to dimensional shit. That doesn't mean you can automatically bypass their abilities and resistances, that just means they can't affect you.

If that is what it means then bruh moment 0-0 time to do a wiki-wide CRT.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
No, if you transcend them, it will break, you basically calling the vs wiki logic here suggsverse at that point
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No, that contradicts how unbreakable works, it doesn't matter if you transcend them, an unbreakable sword won't break regardless of the raw power.

Also, no, I didn't. I said A Wild Last Boss' writing is about as bad if not worse than Suggsverse. I didn't say VS Wikia was Suggsverse. Nice strawman.

I'll ******* say it again. Suggsverse writing > A Wild Last Boss Appeared's writing... Again I'll die on that hill.
 
Cultivator_Daemon said:
No, that contradicts how unbreakable works, it doesn't matter if you transcend them, an unbreakable sword won't break regardless of the raw power.

Also, no, I didn't. I said A Wild Last Boss' writing is about as bad if not worse than Suggsverse. I didn't say VS Wikia was Suggsverse. Nice strawman.

I'll ******* say it again. Suggsverse writing > A Wild Last Boss Appeared's writing... Again I'll die on that hill.
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Ok buddy, but thats how tiering works here, in this wiki, so idk what to tell you
 
azontr said:
That doesn't mean you can automatically bypass their abilities and resistances, that just means they can't affect you.
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Yeah, that is exactly why a 6D character with NEP type 2 won't die if a random haxless 7D character tries to kill them.


Cultivator_Daemon said:
I'll ******* say it again. Suggsverse writing > A Wild Last Boss Appeared's writing... Again I'll die on that hill
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You really hate this series, Huh.
 
Odinson said:
Yeah, that is exactly why a 6D character with NEP type 2 won't die if a random haxless 7D character tries to kill them.



You really hate this series, Huh.
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Thats NEP2, that's obviously a different case and idk why its being compared to lower dimensional invulnerability
 
Cultivator_Daemon said:
I'll ******* say it again. Suggsverse writing > A Wild Last Boss Appeared's writing... Again I'll die on that hill.
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Actually while we're on that shit, I'm currently reading AWLBA and I honestly don't see how it's anything worse than Suggsverse, I've read some of Suggs books (albeit it was from a friend) and no, Suggsverse is wayyyyy ******* below AWLBA in terms of writing.
 
azontr said:
If you transcend someone, you just can't be hurt or even comprehended by them due to dimensional shit. That doesn't mean you can automatically bypass their abilities and resistances, that just means they can't affect you.
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It's a case-by-case scenario. AWLBA principles simply has that.
 
Odinson said:
What do you mean by that....
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What I mean is, even a lower dimensional who is invulnerable to everything in that dimension, can still be affected by someone whos in a higher dimension. Why? Because they're beyond that level invulnerability and transcend everything they have. They can't comprehend them at all. For NEP2, they have no dimensions, and cannot be interacted with without feats. That's how it works here, if you want there are threads on it as well
 
Enter_Bluey said:
That's how scaling works here
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You're coping at this point
Enter_Bluey said:
They have plot manipulation
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wasn't related to her multiplying her speed with speed of light. You're Literally using muh plot manipulation as an excuse for everything lmao
Enter_Bluey said:
That is how infinite works here
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No, it's not lmao.

bazillion X Infinity = Infinity

Any finite amount added or multiplied won't change anything. It's still infinite speed.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
What I mean is, even a lower dimensional who is invulnerable to everything in that dimension, can still be affected by someone whos in a higher dimension. Why? Because they're beyond that level invulnerability and transcend everything they have. They can't comprehend them at all. For NEP2, they have no dimensions, and cannot be interacted with without feats. That's how it works here, if you want there are threads on it as well
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You say this like it applies to every other tier 1 verse, when that is a mechanic that is applied specifically to this one due to how it's transcendence works.
 
And I should clarify, by higher dimensional I mean 4D, compared to 5D. In AWLBA though, ofc if you transcend it's a similar case. But if you are 5D, 4D invulnerability wont stop you
 
Shuradou said:
You're coping at this point

wasn't related to her multiplying her speed with speed of light. You're Literally using muh plot manipulation as an excuse for everything lmao

No, it's not lmao.

bazillion X Infinity = Infinity

Any finite amount added or multiplied won't change anything. It's still infinite speed.
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Using plot manipulation as an excuse for everything?

Plot Manipulation: Alovenus has the ability to manipulate the entire world according to scenarios she wants. She has stated that her power is infinite as she can overlay settings over pre-existing settings. For example, if someone somehow acquired unusual abilities and powers in order to defeat her, she can simply defeat them by saying their unusual power won’t work on her, and she can still defeat them with one finger. Even if someone has infinite speed she will just say infinite speed before her is nothing more than one, and she is one hundred times faster. If someone has infinite power, she’ll just say even that infinity is just one, there is always another infinity beyond. If they go beyond that, she’ll simply say that there’s even more beyond. If they say that they’ll become infinitely stronger and stronger, she can simply make herself become infinitely stronger, but at a rate one thousand times faster than them.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
And I should clarify, by higher dimensional I mean 4D, compared to 5D. In AWLBA though, ofc if you transcend it's a similar case. But if you are 5D, 4D invulnerability wont stop you
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That only applies to verses that treat transcendence like that. If that isn't how it works, then a 5-D with no way to negate 4-D invulnerability won't be able to negate it simply due to being 5-D.
 
azontr said:
That only applies to verses that treat transcendence like that. If that isn't how it works, then a 5-D with no way to negate 4-D invulnerability won't be able to negate it simply due to being 5-D.
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Yeah they will, in general a 5D will indeed bypass this, unless they are NEP2, or transdual, an extremely special case like that. 4D beings being invulnerable (ex. law manip) on a 4D level, doesn't mean they will be against a 5D being. That messes up scaling entirely
 
Enter_Bluey said:
Yeah they will, in general a 5D will indeed bypass this, unless they are NEP2, or transdual, an extremely special case like that. 4D beings being invulnerable (ex. law manip) on a 4D level, doesn't mean they will be against a 5D being. That messes up scaling entirely
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Yes. It does mean they will be against a 5-D being if the 5-D has no real means to bypass it.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
Using plot manipulation as an excuse for everything?

Plot Manipulation: Alovenus has the ability to manipulate the entire world according to scenarios she wants. She has stated that her power is infinite as she can overlay settings over pre-existing settings. For example, if someone somehow acquired unusual abilities and powers in order to defeat her, she can simply defeat them by saying their unusual power won’t work on her, and she can still defeat them with one finger. Even if someone has infinite speed she will just say infinite speed before her is nothing more than one, and she is one hundred times faster. If someone has infinite power, she’ll just say even that infinity is just one, there is always another infinity beyond. If they go beyond that, she’ll simply say that there’s even more beyond. If they say that they’ll become infinitely stronger and stronger, she can simply make herself become infinitely stronger, but at a rate one thousand times faster than them.
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Literally all of that is irrelevant because SHE wasn't nor used plot manipulation to multiple her speed with speed of light
 
Enter_Bluey said:
No. No it doesn't, like I said that'll ruin scaling entirely. That's why smurf stuff exists, the higher dimensional smurf stuff will trump a lower dimensional
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That's an entirely different case. Smurfs bypass resistances unless the ability blatantly negates abilities, invulnerability isn't a resistance it's an ability. Just like non-existent physiology and transduality.

A 5-D with no power-null for invulnerability or means to negate 4-D invulnerability cannot simply kill a 4-D with invulnerability. They need to have the ability to negate it themselves in their powers and abilities section, not simply due to their tier.
 
azontr said:
That's an entirely different case. Smurfs bypass resistances unless the ability blatantly negates abilities, invulnerability isn't a resistance it's an ability. Just like non-existent physiology and transduality.

A 5-D with no power-null for invulnerability or means to negate 4-D invulnerability cannot simply kill a 4-D with invulnerability. They need to have the ability to negate it themselves in their powers and abilities section, not simply due to their tier.
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They're higher dimensional, that is how they bypass invulnerability. That is why a smurf ability, is a smurf, and its not like NEP2 and transduality. What you're saying rn, is NFL. Invulnerability will not protect from higher D unless its also smurf
 
Enter_Bluey said:
They're higher dimensional, that is how they bypass invulnerability. That is why a smurf ability, is a smurf, and its not like NEP2 and transduality. What you're saying rn, is NFL. Invulnerability will not protect from higher D unless its also smurf
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Why would a higher-D character bypass an ability they have no way to bypass simply via being higher-dimensional?
 
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