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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Breadbear83 said:
Hey somebodydata think I can post this there? Or think I should change something? It's fine If you don't think the comment supports much the discussion.
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No offense, but the thread is for the canon debate.

That said you do bring up a good point, maybe we should find a way to calc it using the manga
 
Wow, the calc guy put the CRT in Staff once again. It seems like he prefers avoiding dealing with the supporters’ arguments, and limiting everyone to a single comment...

Honestly, this whole Staff situation has been frustrating me. Having to ask someone else just to comment feels humiliating, like I have to lower my head to others just to defend my own arguments. This could’ve easily been handled in a normal CRT discussion instead of being locked behind Staff again. And the worst part is that this is already the second time this has happened to Dragon Ball.
 
Damage3245 said:
Funny how cloud feats almost always are divorced from the rest of the feats the characters have in most verses, in terms of scale/potency.
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Qawsedf234 said:
Cloud feats should be nuked tbh. Moving a Nimbus cloud should not make you Cuba-busting without other stuff in my personal view.
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Thank goodness Madoka has other tier 7/6 feats

Although the main issue is that cloud splitting feats are really just KE feats at their core.
 
Damage3245 said:
Funny how cloud feats almost always are divorced from the rest of the feats the characters have in most verses, in terms of scale/potency.
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Qawsedf234 said:
Cloud feats should be nuked tbh. Moving a Nimbus cloud should not make you Cuba-busting without other stuff in my personal view.
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If I could like these multiple times I would. There's a huge difference between making a storm and moving some clouds Like normally the ******' clouds are worth more for AP than the actual destruction of the feat itself.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Wow, the calc guy put the CRT in Staff once again. It seems like he prefers avoiding dealing with the supporters’ arguments, and limiting everyone to a single comment...

Honestly, this whole Staff situation has been frustrating me. Having to ask someone else just to comment feels humiliating, like I have to lower my head to others just to defend my own arguments. This could’ve easily been handled in a normal CRT discussion instead of being locked behind Staff again. And the worst part is that this is already the second time this has happened to Dragon Ball.
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Surprised it's only the second time if what you're saying is true ngl; usually controversial or popular verses have quite a few
 
SomebodyData said:
No offense, but the thread is for the canon debate.

That said you do bring up a good point, maybe we should find a way to calc it using the manga
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I mean the OP Is proposing the baseline 5C, as it's something the staff members are voting for there

But the fact that as far as I know, feats of destroying something not necessarily scales to the tier of their namesakes, the planetary feats being vague having varying tiers, and toriyama and Toei not considering that feats can greatly vary dependant of details, even less they fitting our tiering system, all relates to the baseline 5C proposal in some way

If you want, mention whatever of this if you feel like it
 
Breadbear83 said:
I mean the OP Is proposing the baseline 5C, as it's something the staff members are voting for there

But the fact that as far as I know, feats of destroying something not necessarily scales to the tier of their namesakes, the planetary feats being vague having varying tiers, and toriyama and Toei not considering that feats can greatly vary dependant of details, even less they fitting our tiering system, all relates to the baseline 5C proposal in some way

If you want, mention whatever of this if you feel like it
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If you too feel this should be mentioned, I can give permission. Just keep in mind, without an actual calc it wouldn't really be relevant.
 
supertomioka said:
I am confused I find it hard to believe before the recent calc was accepted that no one questioned
"why use the anime for the time frame or visuals" lol
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Truth be told, I can understand why the multiplier thread was controversial and agreed a lot of the DB community's points.

This however, yeah, not sure how this was allowed so long.
 
SomebodyData said:
If you too feel this should be mentioned, I can give permission. Just keep in mind, without an actual calc it wouldn't really be relevant.
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Ok, if you can give me perms please

My argument is rather aiming at the talking of narrative supposedly making everyone before Saiyan saga below planetary, talking of a calc is secundary
 
SomebodyData said:
Surprised it's only the second time if what you're saying is true ngl; usually controversial or popular verses have quite a few
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That’s not really the issue. Staff CRTs usually pass much faster because the supporters are heavily limited. Before you even realize it, there are already several moderators and administrators agreeing with it while we barely have any room to respond.

It would be far more fair to face us in a normal CRT where everyone can freely comment and debate. In Staff threads, it takes forever just to get permission to comment, which makes it extremely difficult to properly defend our arguments.
 
Breadbear83 said:
But the fact that as far as I know, feats of destroying something not necessarily scales to the tier of their namesakes, the planetary feats being vague having varying tiers, and toriyama and Toei not considering that feats can greatly vary dependant of details, even less they fitting our tiering system, all relates to the baseline 5C proposal in some way
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Vaporizing a planet or moon yields results close to the GBE. The reason why most planet-busting feats are higher than their tier is that it's kinetic energy. By moving the mass of the planet multiple times its radius in a second, you're going to get enormous levels of kinetic energy.
 
SomebodyData said:
Truth be told, I can understand why the multiplier thread was controversial and agreed a lot of the DB community's points.

This however, yeah, not sure how this was allowed so long.
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Do think like the majority of manga verses are fine with using the anime for visuals/timeframes, like I remember OPM lads were waiting for the anime to adapt the Orochi High 6-A feat to give it a more concrete timeframe and such (S3 OPM happened tho).
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Wow, the calc guy put the CRT in Staff once again. It seems like he prefers avoiding dealing with the supporters’ arguments, and limiting everyone to a single comment...

Honestly, this whole Staff situation has been frustrating me. Having to ask someone else just to comment feels humiliating, like I have to lower my head to others just to defend my own arguments. This could’ve easily been handled in a normal CRT discussion instead of being locked behind Staff again. And the worst part is that this is already the second time this has happened to Dragon Ball.
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It was changed to a staff thread because you would have tried to clutter up, derail and complain as much as possible
 
Robo432343 said:
It was changed to a staff thread because you would have tried to clutter up, derail and complain as much as possible
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Didn't need to do that in the soul manip removal CRT, it went pretty smoothly.
Any staff member can also just delete any derailment in the CRT, that's what we did in my Hazbin CRT, which surprisingly tend to be a wayyy more heated than DB threads lol
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Do think like the majority of manga verses are fine with using the anime for visuals/timeframes, like I remember OPM lads were waiting for the anime to adapt the Orochi High 6-A feat to give it a more concrete timeframe and such (S3 OPM happened tho).
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Think it's case-by-case; when an adaptation is straight-up a different canon or has major changes, don't think we allow it. Not sure what's the case with OPM tbh
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
That’s not really the issue. Staff CRTs usually pass much faster because the supporters are heavily limited. Before you even realize it, there are already several moderators and administrators agreeing with it while we barely have any room to respond.

It would be far more fair to face us in a normal CRT where everyone can freely comment and debate. In Staff threads, it takes forever just to get permission to comment, which makes it extremely difficult to properly defend our arguments.
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Yeah, I can understand your sentiments. And I think lots of staff do as well, which is why (usually) they don't close immediately after grace (Like the DB multiplier thread). Additionally, staff do try to be open and give permission (hence why I'm here specifically for example, to make sure supporters get to have a say)

The reason staff threads like these exist is ultimately to ensure stonewalling and going off-topic doesn't happen. Not to mention, other controversial threads (if you know, you know) usually descend into chaos and rule breaks. Not saying that would happen here, but it's just a staff precaution.
 
Robo432343 said:
Turning a feat that was clearly moon level in the manga into planet level just because the anime shows more exaggerated visuals overstates the original intent.
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If the standards your using allows anime visuals for calculations, there is no reason to say it is overstated the change purposed is a standard change, how it was stated by the previous standard was fine and how it will be stated with the new standard is fine. You simply disagree with one of the standards.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
That’s not really the issue. Staff CRTs usually pass much faster because the supporters are heavily limited. Before you even realize it, there are already several moderators and administrators agreeing with it while we barely have any room to respond.

It would be far more fair to face us in a normal CRT where everyone can freely comment and debate. In Staff threads, it takes forever just to get permission to comment, which makes it extremely difficult to properly defend our arguments.
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Alright it's a general thread now.

But I'm going to tell all of you this now. The reason it got moved is that it's a relatively minor CRT and it's not expected to be controversial. If the DB side derails by spamming memes or off-topic discussion points (such as single-word responses, insults, or non-contributing posts), it'll be moved back, and that makes every future thread about this likely to be a Staff Thread as well. If you need to comment, you can, but make sure it's relevant and on topic with the overall point of the CRT.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Alright it's a general thread now.

But I'm going to tell all of you this now. The reason it got moved is that it's a relatively minor CRT and it's not expected to be controversial. If the DB side derails by spamming memes or off-topic discussion points (such as single-word responses, insults, or non-contributing posts), it'll be moved back, and that makes every future thread about this likely to be a Staff Thread as well. If you need to comment, you can, but make sure it's relevant and on topic with the overall point of the CRT.
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Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it. I understand the concern about keeping the thread on-topic and avoiding unnecessary spam or meme posts.

As long as people are allowed to give relevant arguments and properly discuss the CRT, that’s what matters most to me.
 
Robo432343 said:
well thats exactly whats happening with db rn
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I fail to see how. We simply do not get a interpretation of the moon being desptryed it happens off panel making calculating it rather difficult, using a faithful anime version for it was the next best option.

For all we know if toryama had drawn that panel he would have personally drawn it closer to namic's destruction also providing a high rating. You really can't confidently say what toyama's intent was in the way you are now.
 
Of course, just clarifying we have had situations where a massive jump in tiers from the same feat across adaptations has occured.
 
SomebodyData said:
Namek's destruction

EDIT for those who don't know what I'm referring to, Toei Frieza's destruction of Namek is 4-A+ unlike the manga.

vsbattles.fandom.com

DBZ Toei: Namek Frieza stuff

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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To be fair that feat even has statement acknowledging how FAR more than just namek was destroyed (unlike the manga), while Roshis feat in manga and anime is destroying the moon, nothing else, just different details/having more details
 
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