Seems Bardock's 5-B rating for scaling above Boz Krillin would put him above 1.5 yottatons and the likely 5-A rating for scaling above Raditz would put him at 27 yottatons. Looks like the values for Bardock's second key might have increased by 10 times for 15 yottatons using the 5-B value and likely 270 yottatons with the 5-A value from the first key.
And then another ten times for Oozaru.
The way that was worded implied that Gas is stronger than the entire Ginyu Force combined.
Why don't we use this statement for Gas's profile? That's a pretty clear cut statement from the literal author himself when we have nothing else to work with on his exact power level?
No. For lifting the tree.For destroying the tree?
anyone else who can input here?Speaking of versus matches with dragon ball
GRAAAAAACEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [7-0-0] "What is 'Daima'? I want the real Red Monkey Alien fighting again!!!" - Goku (GT) vs Goku (Super Anime)
How does searching about Super vs GT feels at this point: Ok. Let's go again at it: Red-Furred Space Monkey - 7 (@MannyQ361, @noninho, @XxZetsuxX, @TegamiBachi25, @Anonymous_Learner, @Drite77, @LegendariumOfLies) Yellow-Haired Space Monkey - Hope i don't see another in a couple months...vsbattles.com
this one needs one vote to get to grace
INCON GRACE [3-0-4] - Xeno Broly vs Toei Vegito
Fight is at a minecraft superflat bedrock-only seed (they're players, so indestructible ground) Speed is equal, to make things easier Xeno Broly is at his first key Broly starts at SSJ3 They start 4m apart Xeno Broly: @Mickey1940, @Nonynho, @Jackythejack Toei Vegito: Incon: @Drite77...
this one is leaning to incon but inputs are welcome for better conclusion
GRACE [0-7-0] Let future Trunks check this out - Manga Gohan vs. Toei Freeza
Post research: If we want them to be in the same realm, Toei would be represented by 3rd form Freeza (Frieza - Garlic Jr. Saga) and Manga would be represented by either Perfect Cell Saga Base Gohan or 50% of SSJ1 Goku Why those specifically? Simple. According to this 23900 Quettatons = 1 Foe...
this basically just begun, both sides make sense, so far
It really does I was shocked really. Hopefully I do pull both units though I’m definitely going to prioritise Gohan and depending on how many stars I’ll move onto hitku
When did Toei Cell shake the Universe? You mean this?
Ok, so disconsidering vague scaling (cuz I did the same for the other side) and 1% stuff cuz that not properly scalable for our standards,
No, at one point in Episode 186, after Cell goes to max power because he realises how strong Gohan is, Piccolo describes the intensity of Cell’s Ki in the means of, “it’s like the Universe is Shaking”.
Cool. Though, why can't the 1% stuff he taken into account?
If we consider that he is actually shaking the universe, it would be a High 3-A feat regardless due to the universe being accepted as infinite on Toei's continuity
Ah, that’s right. I always forget that Toei is accepted as infinite. Nevermind, then.
If it took years for people to accept that Cell spoke the truth about being able to destroy the solar system, imagine how much effort would it take for people to accept this Piccolo statement lmao
Oops, just noticed that i didn't pay full attention to the Toei Z profile, was more focused at the GT one
Base GT Goku should be 4x stronger than manga pUI (400x 3 Universes feat vs 100x 3 universes) and should be around 1 tier above in LS (Though comparing base x base is Class P vs G, pUI should be giving multipliers to make this less huge of a difference), but pUI should have enough haxes to compensate for any diff, such as the UI itself being an extremely hard to deal with auto-dodge, or the fact that Goku has unsenseable god ki
GT should now be 1,6x stronger than Blue Vegito (100.000x 3 universes vs 62,500x 3 universes), again around 1 tier above in LS (Though comparing base x base is Class P vs G once again, Blue Vegito is obviously giving multipliers to null this difference)
Uh, no, GT Goku against Rildo and Beginning of GT Goku are two different levels of power. At the Rildo Fight, Goku is 100x stronger than he is in Episode 1-5.
Bunch of other cool things i have to read. Theres another interview but its in catalan
His monster design in games is amazing!!! its no wonder they made it into its own monster taming spinoff series.
He eclipses in base his previous SS1 self, i point out like that:
and literally speak in the previous chain theory what i think it's a stomp gap
So basically you're saying that the Start Of GT Goku is 50x stronger than what i have pointed out?
I feel like that's imprecise, because the profile haven't stated anything indicating that base Goku got a powerup just from getting out of Super Buu, like ur indicating from that wording
Goku didn’t get a power up. He was restored to his full strength. Within Buu, at all times, he’s stuck at LESS than 1% his true strength. However, despite being weaker than (ordinary) Super Buu prior to the Fusion, outside of Buu, after the Fusion, within Buu, he’s able to fight a perfect copy of Ultimate Gohan (identical to his REAL strength). That’s the REASON he’s 2-C—He’s relative to a 2-C Character (Ultimate Gohan). Ultimate Gohan is currently at 1/2 the 2-C Feat (Buuhan’s Outside Space). Goku matches him at 1/100th his real strength, so 1/2 2-C x 100 (to get Goku’s real strength) and you get a 50x increase—Or, 50x 2-C (from what I recall). THAT is “Reinvigorated Goku.” Then, Goku goes SSJ3 and is directly matched by Kid Buu, (20K x 2-C).
Not what's indicated by the profile. By your wording, he became SS3 after restoring his stamina, but...
which literally states what i claimed
and with what the GT profile stating
we can conclude exactly what i stated above
Oh, alright
That’s talking about the Kid Buu fight. Goku facing Buu in the Spirit Bomb struggle.
Outside of the Inside Buu stuff, nah.
So, in your conclusion:
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Yeah. I don’t really believe Goku got stronger in the Spirit Bomb moment, but the Profile indicates he does, which would be a bigger gap that Base GT Goku matches up to.
Goku's skill
So, Goku had his body atomised by the Genki-Dama right here in this part, showing his body disappearing It has been confirmed that Goku was blown up by the Genki-Dama right here 1:25 Right here it shows Goku back to life with his body perfectly restored What ability would that give Goku?
interesting stuffs goings on here
But that's exactly what the profile says, when he restored his energy he should be around the level of his nerfed SS3 self that was already around Kid Buu's
