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the voice acting is so low energy and high-key bad but it's charming/nostalgic lol
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the voice acting is so low energy and high-key bad but it's charming/nostalgic lol
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Seems Bardock's 5-B rating for scaling above Boz Krillin would put him above 1.5 yottatons and the likely 5-A rating for scaling above Raditz would put him at 27 yottatons. Looks like the values for Bardock's second key might have increased by 10 times for 15 yottatons using the 5-B value and likely 270 yottatons with the 5-A value from the first key.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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And then another ten times for Oozaru.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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The way that was worded implied that Gas is stronger than the entire Ginyu Force combined.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Why don't we use this statement for Gas's profile? That's a pretty clear cut statement from the literal author himself when we have nothing else to work with on his exact power level?
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What the Daizenshuu says about the mental training of z warriors?
ProudLearner
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No. For lifting the tree.For destroying the tree?
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Nonynho
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anyone else who can input here?Speaking of versus matches with dragon ball
GRAAAAAACEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [7-0-0] "What is 'Daima'? I want the real Red Monkey Alien fighting again!!!" - Goku (GT) vs Goku (Super Anime)
How does searching about Super vs GT feels at this point: Ok. Let's go again at it: Red-Furred Space Monkey - 7 (@MannyQ361, @noninho, @XxZetsuxX, @TegamiBachi25, @Anonymous_Learner, @Drite77, @LegendariumOfLies) Yellow-Haired Space Monkey - Hope i don't see another in a couple months...vsbattles.com
this one needs one vote to get to grace
INCON GRACE [3-0-4] - Xeno Broly vs Toei Vegito
Fight is at a minecraft superflat bedrock-only seed (they're players, so indestructible ground) Speed is equal, to make things easier Xeno Broly is at his first key Broly starts at SSJ3 They start 4m apart Xeno Broly: @Mickey1940, @Nonynho, @Jackythejack Toei Vegito: Incon: @Drite77...
this one is leaning to incon but inputs are welcome for better conclusion
GRACE [0-7-0] Let future Trunks check this out - Manga Gohan vs. Toei Freeza
Post research: If we want them to be in the same realm, Toei would be represented by 3rd form Freeza (Frieza - Garlic Jr. Saga) and Manga would be represented by either Perfect Cell Saga Base Gohan or 50% of SSJ1 Goku Why those specifically? Simple. According to this 23900 Quettatons = 1 Foe...
this basically just begun, both sides make sense, so far
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That SSJB Goku model actually looks insane can’t wait for him to get a standalone unit
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It really does I was shocked really. Hopefully I do pull both units though I’m definitely going to prioritise Gohan and depending on how many stars I’ll move onto hitku
Nonynho
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Logic check-up, apparently i enjoy this more than i knew and i hope who gives a single **** about it doesn't think it's annoying
Stopping at pUI and calling it "similar to Power-Stressed" cuz both were scaling to Jiren, according to the profile, with Power-Stressed and UISign being not fully controlable and pUI being so.
anything wrong af?
Stopping at pUI and calling it "similar to Power-Stressed" cuz both were scaling to Jiren, according to the profile, with Power-Stressed and UISign being not fully controlable and pUI being so.
anything wrong af?
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Bit off.
Toei Buuhan and his 2-C Feat ~ Vaguely above Gohan (SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu were equal, so combining via absorption is a 2x Amp minimum that allowed Buu to have an advantage over Gohan, though Gohan could still fight back) > (Vaguely downscales by that 2x) Post Fusion 1% Base Goku (Goku fought an exact copy of Gohan at 1/100th his true strength within Buu) < 100 x Jump ~ True Base Form < 400x Amp ~ SSJ3 = to Kid Buu ~ GT Base Goku, first Key < SSJ < SSJ2
Edit: Somewhere in that chain is also upscaling from SSJ Gogeta, whose birth is the energy equivalent of the Big Bang of U7.
Unrelated—Is there not a calc for Cell shaking the Universe (I know it's not going to improve his tier, but I feel it adds to the justification of his rating) in the Toei Anime?
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ProudLearner
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When did Toei Cell shake the Universe? You mean this?
Nonynho
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Ok, so disconsidering vague scaling (cuz I did the same for the other side) and 1% stuff cuz that not properly scalable for our standards,
Buuhan's 2-C feat < Roughly 400x gap < SSJ3 ~ Kid Buu ~ GT Base Goku
Imma readjust to see if Super Manga vs GT is doable
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No, at one point in Episode 186, after Cell goes to max power because he realises how strong Gohan is, Piccolo describes the intensity of Cell’s Ki in the means of, “it’s like the Universe is Shaking”.
That's really it. Ijust wanted to know if it was accepted and calc’d beyond the surface statement because such a feat would literally be beneath his current ratings.
Cool. Though, why can't the 1% stuff he taken into account?
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If we consider that he is actually shaking the universe, it would be a High 3-A feat regardless due to the universe being accepted as infinite on Toei's continuity
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Ah, that’s right. I always forget that Toei is accepted as infinite. Nevermind, then.
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Nonynho
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If it took years for people to accept that Cell spoke the truth about being able to destroy the solar system, imagine how much effort would it take for people to accept this Piccolo statement lmao
Oops, just noticed that i didn't pay full attention to the Toei Z profile, was more focused at the GT one
Apparently the profile is taking into account what ur saying, so it goes like this, "re-re-updating":
Putting it under quotes cuz i'll be updating that this afternoon
Accelerated_Evolution
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Just in case you find a similar feat that ins't calced, you can just use the "Shaking the entire Universe" calc on the References for Common Feats page
Nonynho
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Updated version! Let's see if i can finally matchmake Super Manga and GT/Toei
Or
This time, GT now has his tail, so he may be manipulating Ki better, and is absorbing Ki, while Vegito may eventually use Hakai if the fight takes too long, which may be GG
Base GT Goku should be 4x stronger than manga pUI (400x 3 Universes feat vs 100x 3 universes) and should be around 1 tier above in LS (Though comparing base x base is Class P vs G, pUI should be giving multipliers to make this less huge of a difference), but pUI should have enough haxes to compensate for any diff, such as the UI itself being an extremely hard to deal with auto-dodge, or the fact that Goku has unsenseable god ki
Or
GT should now be 1,6x stronger than Blue Vegito (100.000x 3 universes vs 62,500x 3 universes), again around 1 tier above in LS (Though comparing base x base is Class P vs G once again, Blue Vegito is obviously giving multipliers to null this difference)
This time, GT now has his tail, so he may be manipulating Ki better, and is absorbing Ki, while Vegito may eventually use Hakai if the fight takes too long, which may be GG
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Thats a better feat than 99% of the manhwas ive read XD
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Uh, no, GT Goku against Rildo and Beginning of GT Goku are two different levels of power. At the Rildo Fight, Goku is 100x stronger than he is in Episode 1-5.
Also, since I’m saying something anyway, I do want to point out/correct the chain and mention that “Restored Energy”/The 100x Multiplier for the scaling chain to even get to Episode 1 of GT is enacted prior to fighting Kid Buu in Z.
AKA, Base Goku against Kid Buu is 100x the level he was inside Super Buu, and the level he was in Super Buu was relative to the Ultimate Gohan Copy, who is equal to the OG Ultimate Gohan, who downscales from Buutenks (and Buutenks is only 2x Super Buu).
Basically, something like:
Kid Buu ~ Post-Fusion SS3 Goku (400x) > Post-Fusion Base Goku (50x) > Buuhan (2x) > Post-Fusion (Inside Buu) Base Goku = Ultimate Gohan = 1/2 of 2-C
If I remember correctly.
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Anyway... it has the best paneling me have seen so far. The Buu Arc is my FAV ARCH due to the circumstances of its creation and the things surrounding Toriyama. It does have its flaws, but the good things are there & most importantly, the end delivered.
Its interesting how everything began, a super interesting team with a pretty unique mangaka who did those things in like two days and used his free time building toy models and shit XD ^^ ....
Its pretty crazy to think that Toriyama at his worst could pull off something like the Buu Saga even though he wanted to end it at Cell and strong pressure came from the editorial team for the story to go on. But after that, Toriyama and his editor (me think it was Takeda?) put on the brakes and made it clear that it was the end ....
The interviews are just gold and made me a legit Toriyama fan. I cant stop consuming them!!!! hahaha
Bunch of other cool things i have to read. Theres another interview but its in catalan
His monster design in games is amazing!!! its no wonder they made it into its own monster taming spinoff series.
Its interesting how everything began, a super interesting team with a pretty unique mangaka who did those things in like two days and used his free time building toy models and shit XD ^^ ....
Its pretty crazy to think that Toriyama at his worst could pull off something like the Buu Saga even though he wanted to end it at Cell and strong pressure came from the editorial team for the story to go on. But after that, Toriyama and his editor (me think it was Takeda?) put on the brakes and made it clear that it was the end ....
The interviews are just gold and made me a legit Toriyama fan. I cant stop consuming them!!!! hahaha
Bunch of other cool things i have to read. Theres another interview but its in catalan His monster design in games is amazing!!! its no wonder they made it into its own monster taming spinoff series.
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Btw while browsing the whole internet and fact-checking if interviews are fake etc. I found this here
https://capsulecommentary.com/2025/02/21/kid-buu-vs-buuhan/
Some pretty cool stuff regarding Kid Buu contro Buuhan!
https://capsulecommentary.com/2025/02/21/kid-buu-vs-buuhan/
Some pretty cool stuff regarding Kid Buu contro Buuhan!
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Guys, could you educate me on something; is there more than one Chronoa? Since Heroes and Xenoverse take place in different timeline, does this mean there are more than one Chronoa?
Nonynho
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He eclipses in base his previous SS1 self, i point out like that:
and literally speak in the previous chain theory what i think it's a stomp gap
We literally have not disagreed
So basically you're saying that the Start Of GT Goku is 50x stronger than what i have pointed out?
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Nonynho
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I feel like that's imprecise, because the profile haven't stated anything indicating that base Goku got a powerup just from getting out of Super Buu, like ur indicating from that wording
Post-Vegito Base Goku is just stated as being 2-C, by his rating, so him ~ Buuhan, by what we know
and the specified power-up we're looking for is the Revigorated Goku, which is indicated by the wording to be equal to his tired SSJ3 and able to beat Kid Buu, and Start of GT in Base is stated to be able to do the same, so the wording i proposed is not wrong, from what all's indicating
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I AM HUNTING HIGH AND LOOOOOW~! 
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Goku didn’t get a power up. He was restored to his full strength. Within Buu, at all times, he’s stuck at LESS than 1% his true strength. However, despite being weaker than (ordinary) Super Buu prior to the Fusion, outside of Buu, after the Fusion, within Buu, he’s able to fight a perfect copy of Ultimate Gohan (identical to his REAL strength). That’s the REASON he’s 2-C—He’s relative to a 2-C Character (Ultimate Gohan). Ultimate Gohan is currently at 1/2 the 2-C Feat (Buuhan’s Outside Space). Goku matches him at 1/100th his real strength, so 1/2 2-C x 100 (to get Goku’s real strength) and you get a 50x increase—Or, 50x 2-C (from what I recall). THAT is “Reinvigorated Goku.” Then, Goku goes SSJ3 and is directly matched by Kid Buu, (20K x 2-C).
GT Base Goku (E1-5) is equal to that in Base. And, of course, this ignores the imprecision that comes with the films (Gogeta’s Big Bang Birth, for instance, or the strength increase Goku got by movie 13, as it is vague).
As for the SSJ chain in GT, I misinterpreted what you meant by Stomp Gap (I thought you just meant vague upscaling, not a direct number).
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Not what's indicated by the profile. By your wording, he became SS3 after restoring his stamina, but...
which literally states what i claimed
and with what the GT profile stating
we can conclude exactly what i stated above
Oh, alright
So knowing it, any opposition to the proposed?
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That’s talking about the Kid Buu fight. Goku facing Buu in the Spirit Bomb struggle.
I’m talking about literally exiting Buu before he ever fought Kid Buu.
When in Buu, Goku was nerfed. When he’s not in Buu, he’s not nerfed. The “Increase” here is just annotating his power when he’s not nerfed. Hence why I said “Goku didn’t get stronger.” Because he didn’t. His stats did not change in an indexable sense, because Goku did not get stronger. He was just no longer affected by Buu’s Stat Reduction Hax inside his body, which was nerfing him.
The reason it’s 50x in the Scaling chain is because he literally fought someone while Nerfed (upping his scaling) and then stopped being Nerfed, putting him back at his true power, which is 100x his strength against Gohan, who is 1/2 the 2-C feat.
Outside of the Inside Buu stuff, nah.
Nonynho
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So, in your conclusion:
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Cuz i think i pointed out why that would be wrong, tell me if that's your line of thought
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Goku's skill
So, Goku had his body atomised by the Genki-Dama right here in this part, showing his body disappearing It has been confirmed that Goku was blown up by the Genki-Dama right here 1:25 Right here it shows Goku back to life with his body perfectly restored What ability would that give Goku?
interesting stuffs goings on here
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Yeah. I don’t really believe Goku got stronger in the Spirit Bomb moment, but the Profile indicates he does, which would be a bigger gap that Base GT Goku matches up to.
Regardless, the point remains—Goku was Nerfed Inside Buu, to 1% his real power. Outside of it, he’s not Nerfed. Thus, he has access his true strength at 100%.
Nonynho
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Goku's skill
So, Goku had his body atomised by the Genki-Dama right here in this part, showing his body disappearing It has been confirmed that Goku was blown up by the Genki-Dama right here 1:25 Right here it shows Goku back to life with his body perfectly restored What ability would that give Goku?
interesting stuffs goings on here
Possibly Quick Goku Super Anime Addition? Serious Theory, Silly Brain Energy
I don’t know whether this will work or not, but I’ve already considered the worst possible outcome if it ends up failing. Regardless, there’s something I really want to bring up because it has been bothering me. Okay, maybe I should start from when Goku was directly hit by the Spirit Bomb...
Apparently this became quite a hot topic, no staff jumped in, yet
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