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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

I have a question! In Dragon Ball, why are the Gods so sinful? Since they are Gods, shouldn't they be able to tell from what is right and wrong? This question is coming from a Catholic's perspective by the way.
Well, one, Gods in Dragon Ball do not align with the Western Doctorines of Abrahamic Faith. They're written to more closely align with Eastern ideas and influences, like Buddhism and Daoism (from Journey to the West, specifically, as primary influences on Toriyama) alongside influences on Toriyama's life at that time (taking cues from Martial Arts films and Western Media he found entertaining). So they're not at all built from the same cloth.

Two, Gods in Dragon Ball are not "Gods" as you conceive them in Western Culture. "God" in the Catholic sense simply is, has always been, and always will be, as well as displays traits of omni-benevolence, omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. In Dragon Ball, this is not the case. Deities can be genuinely anyone so long as they are deemed worthy--Goku was propositioned to be God of Earth (That is, a Mortal Saiyan taking the role of Kami, it's guardian), Trunks was being trained to be the next Supreme Kai (or rather, a Mortal Hybrid-Saiyan becoming the uppermost God in the Creation-part of the celestial sphere), Toppo was under training to become the next Destroyer God of Universe 11, (a Mortal taking on the role of reality's ender of worlds so that Creator Deities like the Kai can create worlds.)

Gods in Dragon Ball are people who happen to be divine, not innately divine beings spawned into existence. Anyone and anything can take on the role of a deity so long as the prior one grants that permission. Even Mortals. You could even argue it's implied that taking on a given role grants you power. Zamasu (as Goku Black) becomes a Super Saiyan Rose because he's a "real God" going Super Saiyan Blue. Beerus repeatedly offers the possibility of becoming a Destroyer God and implies Goku can do it just like he can, (living eons ending worlds despite Goku's lifespan being finite), and so on.

Additionally, the factor of what a Kai even is, is also particularly relevant. The Shinjin are the chosen Deities of the Macrocosms, yes, and typically they keep to their own circle, (though as said before, anyone can be a deity in Dragon Ball), but the Shinjin themselves are Demons. Not Demon as in "inherently evil" like you would associate as a Catholic, (those are a separate set of beings known as the Demon-Folk or beings born out of raw evil like Janemba or Buu), but Demon as in "species." They come from a world beyond are our own, prior to our own. Again, a key separation of doctorine.

Lastly, Toriyama finds it really funny to imagine the Celestial Sphere as very, very angry managers. Because that's kind of what you would be if you did your job for eternity, and if there's at all a hierarchy. It's also debatably a critique of them (and general corporations), given the focus of Dragon Ball Super. Zeno is the God CEO--He's a manchild who can wipe out subcompanies on a whim people have to appease. The Angels are basically his investors who back his decisions no matter what and are virtually immune to harm. The Kai are managerial positions of various departments, overworked, underpaid, and represent different worker personality types (with Hakaishin being the enforcers of the "Company"). Shin is the untrained worker in a position he shouldn't be in, Beerus is a slacker, Elder Kai would be the lecherous upper management, and so on.

Too long, didn't read? Gods in Dragon Ball are written like mythological gods and like unpaid interns whereas a God as you imagine it would be closer to someone like Truth from FMA.
 
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lmao dragon ball forced a standards change again

And this one was shameless too
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im sorry what
but if the standard is wrong then its simply wrong. This is not the right way to go abut it. Chariot is the one who helped out with DB stuff many many times and If it wasn't for him this beautiful stellar db CRT probably wouldn't have gotten accepted

ppl acting like this has all got something to do with dragon ball when that's not true at all in this case.

I'll give you an example when something like this actually happened. Someone proposed immeasurable lifting strength DB then this happened


but the dura neg thread? no
I didn't say anything about Chariot. I'm alluding to the idea that this standard was present for 10+ years and then got changed. I'm questioning how the hell it was never changed when it was brought up in CRTs for other verses, apparently, and only got a response after all this time when a Dragon Ball thread was made. If anything it's a criticism of how the website is managed.

If I thought Chariot was genuinely wrong I'd be arguing it right now. I'll admit I do have my reservations about it but it's not really an issue and I understand the logic behind the change. I just don't like that it took until a DB CRT was made about it for that issue to be raised.
 
I am trying to fuel a personal agenda for 1A wov are there any scans or arguments that I could use ? Like r>F 👀 at least it isn't infinite in size for H3A
 
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They'll say it was just coincidence, as always.
I didn't say anything about Chariot. I'm alluding to the idea that this standard was present for 10+ years and then got changed. I'm questioning how the hell it was never changed when it was brought up in CRTs for other verses, apparently, and only got a response after all this time when a Dragon Ball thread was made. If anything it's a criticism of how the website is managed.

If I thought Chariot was genuinely wrong I'd be arguing it right now. I'll admit I do have my reservations about it but it's not really an issue and I understand the logic behind the change. I just don't like that it took until a DB CRT was made about it for that issue to be raised.
 
I am trying to fuel a personal agenda for 1A wov are there any scans or arguments that I could use ? Like r>F 👀 at least it isn't infinite in size for H3A
There is absolutely nothing stating the WoV is R>F. And in games cosmology we see the WoV is encompassed by the timeline. The only thing you can use to argue 1-A WoV is that it lacks space and time. However I do not believe simply lacking space and time is sufficient for any scaling, it would have to be something existing beyond those concepts.

Additionally I believe there are other issues involving treating the WoV like it's 1-A. For example entering a 1-A realm without special means, particularly without the aid of a 1-A entity, is considered evidence against it to my recollection. Now you could argue the Grand Priest is 1-A so the WoV could be 1-A as he appears to be the one who transports everyone to the WoV (At least in the manga, I forget the anime's scene) but this also raises its issues with how 1-A entities interact with non 1-A beings. In particular, there is no real reason the Grand Priest would be qualitatively superior to his kids...so you would assert all Angels are 1-A. Which comes with its own brand of issues with how all these Angels interact with the Mortal Realm and don't really appear to be using something like Darkseid's avatars (Well...there is an argument for it but not one for them having a metaphysical true form.)

To clarify I'm definitely not a Tier 1 expert, let alone 1-A expert, but I'm fairly certain most of the things I just outlined would make it basically impossible to argue the WoV is a 1-A structure.

Factually speaking Dragon Ball doesn't, to my recollection, have any genuine, really solid, qualitative superiority arguments. The closest thing is meme stuff like God Fusion Goku fusing with the audience or maybe the Charisma Mission stuff? The most I could ever see Dragon Ball being is Low 1-A.
 
lmao dragon ball forced a standards change again

And this one was shameless too
Garou lost his durability negation for the same reason (it was based on attacking organs) {and they tried to give it to him more than once}.
It was already wrong to give durability negation before because of that.
 
1-A is just too strict for Dragon Ball to get, and most verses in general (Rightfully so).
DDM once said that Arale actually can be 1-A and her feats are enough for being 1-A

He said "Arale is very suitable for 1-A, but it doesn't make sense for a character to be "varies up to 1-A with plot manipulation"
 
I am trying to fuel a personal agenda for 1A wov are there any scans or arguments that I could use ? Like r>F 👀 at least it isn't infinite in size for H3A
Even if by a miracle you could find a fitting argument to say that WoV is 1-A, the fact that Goku and Jiren could affect it without the help of another 1-A being would completely invalidate it. So don't think hard about it
 
Quick question.

Destroying an Infinite Universe in a unquantificable amount of time, would also require Infinite speed and AP?

Like for example, eventually flying from planet to Planet, galaxy to Galaxy, one shotting all sorts of celestial bodies during eons?
 
Quick question.

Destroying an Infinite Universe in a unquantificable amount of time, would also require Infinite speed and AP?

Like for example, eventually flying from planet to Planet, galaxy to Galaxy, one shotting all sorts of celestial bodies during eons?
Believe so yeah? You can't really destroy something infinite in a finite amount of time without an infinite something in return.

I don't know if you really need infinite speed AND AP to do that. Finite power with infinite speed may technically work as would Infinite power with finite speed.
 
Quick question.

Destroying an Infinite Universe in a unquantificable amount of time, would also require Infinite speed and AP?

Like for example, eventually flying from planet to Planet, galaxy to Galaxy, one shotting all sorts of celestial bodies during eons?
I think so, I think destroying an infinite Universe and if it's DB everything is geared towards speed and other attributes.

I'm pretty sure that the planets in DB are not infinite in "size" and the same can be said for galaxies, which have an infinite number of galaxies, but their size is finite I think.
 
Believe so yeah? You can't really destroy something infinite in a finite amount of time without an infinite something in return.

I don't know if you really need infinite speed AND AP to do that. Finite power with infinite speed may technically work as would Infinite power with finite speed.
I think that consequentely, you would need Infinite amounts of never ending power/energy reserves to fully complete the task of destroying an Infinite Universe besides speed?
 
Btw, guys... isn't it surprising how Sparking Zero died so quickly.

People be saying "Oh, it's gonna feed generations", "This Game will sink Xenoverse 2 into the dust"

But eh, Xenoverse 2 is still standing, it's the new DB online.

No new game was able to dethrone Xenoverse, not even Budokai Tenkaichi 4
 
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Btw, guys... isn't it surprising how Sparking Zero died so quicly.

People be saying "Oh, it's gonna feed generations", "This Game will sink Xenoverse 2 into the dust"

But eh, Xenoverse 2 is still standing, it's the new DB online.

No new game was able to dethrone Xenoverse, not even Budokai Tenkaichi 4
Dragon ball sparking zero changed the tenkaichi franchise too much, I played the story mode and I found it very uninteresting, I didn't really like the parallel story, every action you take changes the story in a different direction, don't know for those who played it seemed a little uninteresting and I also had a hard time choosing characters to fight against CPU, because in the past it was much easier to choose a character to play, but it's an average game, it's kind of cool the characters and stuff, but it looks like a DLC from other DB games 😂😂
 
Man a lot of game profiles are missing abilities and statistics lol. Like Shallot and Android 21 should have a plethora of abilities
 
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