All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Cass5373]

sure maybe, but the primary piece of evidence is nigh irrefutable and if it is rejected it'll hinge on incredulous stances not refutation of the statement. Dont worry though the crt will have you in the disagree section before its even posted

which is, again, due to sheer incredulity. Nothing disproves that statement as far as I am aware

btw cell has other statements in the manga as well (such as being able to destroy all celestial bodies in the universe before he knows any teleportation with his alleged hypersonic travel speed so his 4-B rating is actually more contradictory if anything lol) so we're far from short on indirect supporting evidence

At what point is it stated that Cell can destroy all the celestial bodies in the universe?

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

That won't get you anything. It would only increase the 2-C scale(I even doubt that), but it would not give you 1-C Low. For that HTC would have to size difference with Realms.

Ugh what?

HTC has its own separate time dimension and it's contained within U7 which has its own time axis as well

Should HTC become significantly sized (aka universal) it's time axis would be tierable and U7 would have 2 time dimensions

 

[Hasty12345]

12D Multiverse was real

 

[Ryzen7900X]

12D Multiverse was real

would've been so funny if it happened even for just a day

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

At what point is it stated that Cell can destroy all the celestial bodies in the universe?

In the Dragon Ball Super Heroes novel it is mentioned that Cell's attack will take the entire Universe

 

[LordDestroit10K]

Ugh what?

HTC has its own separate time dimension and it's contained within U7 which has its own time axis as well

Should HTC become significantly sized (aka universal) it's time axis would be tierable and U7 would have 2 time dimensions

For it to be a higher time dimension, time must flow in a different direction, therefore it will be orthogonal, and in the case of HTC although it has a different time dimension, btw it continues to flow in the same direction as the universal time of U7, so isn’t orthogonal but parallel, and as far as I know, parallel time dimensions don’t give low 1-C…

 

[Killerdrone123]

For it to be a higher time dimension, time must flow in a different direction, therefore it will be orthogonal, and in the case of HTC although it has a different time dimension, btw it continues to flow in the same direction as the universal time of U7, so isn’t orthogonal but parallel, and as far as I know, parallel time dimensions don’t give low 1-C…

Not necessarily if the time dimension can overarch or hold lesser time dimensions it is assumed to be orthogonal directly

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

For it to be a higher time dimension, time must flow in a different direction, therefore it will be orthogonal, and in the case of HTC although it has a different time dimension, btw it continues to flow in the same direction as the universal time of U7, so isn’t orthogonal but parallel, and as far as I know, parallel time dimensions don’t give low 1-C…

As long as a realm that has its time dimension contains/encompasses another one that has a unique time dimension, it's a higher time dimension, and is assumed orthogonal


All this was settled last year

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

i doubted anything in DB was low 1-C yet here we are

That's unironically my long-term goal here insofar as Dragon Ball is concerned. Whether it's through 5-D Afterlife, overarching Marcocosm timeline, Subspace, or Swirling Lights Dimensions, fingers crossed Universe 7 reaches Low 1-C sooner or later.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That's unironically my long-term goal here insofar as Dragon Ball is concerned. Whether it's through 5-D Afterlife, overarching Marcocosm timeline, Subspace, or Swirling Lights Dimensions, fingers crossed Universe 7 reaches Low 1-C sooner or later.

I will be supporting you

 

[LordDestroit10K]

So if I understand correctly, your point is that if HTC, which has its own time dimension and in this wiki is portrayed as a subspace of universe 7, proves to have a significant size, then the U7, which contains it, would have a higher time dimension?

 

[Hasty12345]

The fact U7 has the HTC inside of it's timeline would already mean that U7 is insignificant 5D and tbh, and I'm not even seeing how it wouldn't be straight up 5D, temporal axes aren't assumed finite iirc

 

[LordDestroit10K]

That's unironically my long-term goal here insofar as Dragon Ball is concerned. Whether it's through 5-D Afterlife, overarching Marcocosm timeline, Subspace, or Swirling Lights Dimensions, fingers crossed Universe 7 reaches Low 1-C sooner or later.

Thanks for your great work we’ve low 1-C DBS

 

[Omegabronic]

Ugh what?

HTC has its own separate time dimension and it's contained within U7 which has its own time axis as well

Should HTC become significantly sized (aka universal) it's time axis would be tierable and U7 would have 2 time dimensions

Time Axis do not have spatial sizes for that to matter, it's second temporal dimension is already tierable, hence the current low 1-C rating

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Time Axis do not have spatial sizes for that to matter,

It does here, it has to service at least a universe sized space. That's why HTC doesn't count towards any low1C argument for universe 7

it's second temporal dimension is already tierable, hence the current low 1-C rating

DB has 3 Temporal dimensions but only 2 are tierable, the one for the macrocosms and the one for the timeline that contains them.

 

[Hasty12345]

It does here, it has to service at least a universe sized space. That's why HTC doesn't count towards any low1C argument for universe 7

but the universe is already significant in its 3D space, it shouldn't need to be proven to be significant in 3D space x2

if the HTC is a temporal dimension orthogonal by U7s timeline, it is low 1-C period.

 

[Omegabronic]

It does here, it has to service at least a universe sized space. That's why HTC doesn't count towards any low1C argument for universe 7

.....the ROSAT's temporal dimension statement is cureently used as proof of the second temporal dimension tho

DB has 3 Temporal dimensions but only 2 are tierable, the one for the macrocosms and the one for the timeline that contains them.

......DB has 2 temporal Dimensions, 1 for the individual universes, the other for the entire hyper timeline emcompassing said universes, the ROSAT's statement was used for proof of that

 

[Hasty12345]

......DB has 2 temporal Dimensions, 1 for the individual universes, the other for the entire hyper timeline emcompassing said universes, the ROSAT's statement was used for proof of that

if the HTC is within U7s timeline, then the overarching timeline Zeno destroyed would be 6D and each universe would be 5D.

 

[StarShooter80]

What if Dragon Ball's cosmology was trapped and betrayed in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?

 

[Deleted member 40688]

If I remember correctly there was no statement used for hypertinelines.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

That's unironically my long-term goal here insofar as Dragon Ball is concerned. Whether it's through 5-D Afterlife, overarching Marcocosm timeline, Subspace, or Swirling Lights Dimensions, fingers crossed Universe 7 reaches Low 1-C sooner or later.

@Hasty12345 this is your chance! Show the fruits of your improved education!!!

 

[Deleted member 40688]

If yall don't know

DBS: Destruction of Planet Vegeta, Frieza Upgrade

So this is the currently used calc for Frieza destroying planet Vegeta, it assumes that Vegeta is the size of earth, however this blog has now put forth a baseline for an average Planet in dragon ball using canon information The calculation for planet Vegeta is identical with one except, the...

vsbattles.com

 

[LordDestroit10K]

If yall don't know

DBS: Destruction of Planet Vegeta, Frieza Upgrade

So this is the currently used calc for Frieza destroying planet Vegeta, it assumes that Vegeta is the size of earth, however this blog has now put forth a baseline for an average Planet in dragon ball using canon information The calculation for planet Vegeta is identical with one except, the...

vsbattles.com

Wasn’t destroying planet Vegeta a 5-A/High 5-A feat?

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

but the universe is already significant in its 3D space, it shouldn't need to be proven to be significant in 3D space x2

if the HTC is a temporal dimension orthogonal by U7s timeline, it is low 1-C period.

Unfortunately, for some reason, spatial size matters with unique time dimensions

.....the ROSAT's temporal dimension statement is cureently used as proof of the second temporal dimension tho

It was used as supporting proof to show that U7 has its own time dimension as it was called a "different time dimension" to the living world

......DB has 2 temporal Dimensions, 1 for the individual universes, the other for the entire hyper timeline emcompassing said universes, the ROSAT's statement was used for proof of that

Go and recheck the hyper timeline blog

if the HTC is within U7s timeline, then the overarching timeline Zeno destroyed would be 6D and each universe would be 5D.

This wiki doesn't accept this reasoning at this point, a time dimension must apparently service a minimum of a universe sized space to be tiered

 

[StarShooter80]

Wasn’t destroying planet Vegeta a 5-A/High 5-A feat?

currently it's just Dwarf Star, but if this thread gets accepted it'll be Small Star

 

[Deleted member 40688]

Wasn’t destroying planet Vegeta a 5-A/High 5-A feat?

Just read the first line of that thread

 

[Hasty12345]

Unfortunately, for some reason, spatial size matters with unique time dimensions

This wiki doesn't accept this reasoning at this point, a time dimension must apparently service a minimum of a universe sized space to be tiered

Have you got a quote for this?

Temporal dimensions aren't the same as timelines, temporal axes are assumed to be infinite iirc, proving a 5th-dimensional time axis services a 3D space is proven by being the 5th axis of a universe axiomatically.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Have you got a quote for this?

Temporal dimensions aren't the same as timelines, temporal axes are assumed to be infinite iirc, proving a 5th-dimensional time axis services a 3D space is proven by being the 5th axis of a universe axiomatically.

No quote, I checked, but it's basically an unspoken rule here, I've asked in the QnA and got the same response, either they not sure or they believe it's universe sized

 

[Hasty12345]

No quote, I checked, but it's basically an unspoken rule here, I've asked in the QnA and got the same response, either they not sure or they believe it's universe sized

can anyone actually explain to me what it means for a temporal axis to be "universal in size"?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

can anyone actually explain to me what it means for a temporal axis to be "universal in size"?

beats me tbh this is why I hate the current standards. But from what I’ve read it seems that only a temporal axis that serves at least a universal sized realm can be considered tierable or significant 5D

 

[Hasty12345]

beats me tbh this is why I hate the current standards. But from what I’ve read it seems that only a temporal axis that serves at least a universal sized realm can be considered tierable or significant 5D

why does a 5D temporal axis need to have a corresponding universal sized 3D space other than the universe itself?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

That's unironically my long-term goal here insofar as Dragon Ball is concerned. Whether it's through 5-D Afterlife, overarching Marcocosm timeline, Subspace, or Swirling Lights Dimensions, fingers crossed Universe 7 reaches Low 1-C sooner or later.

but yeah honestly low 1-C universes is not at all a crazy idea atp. In an era where universal and even Multiversal bleach is anything more than a joke I think we can seriously entertain the idea of low 1-C U7 too

Jokes aside as I said U7 is probably already an insignificant 5D structure by current standards all we really need is one or two good statements and it can happen which is really just a covert scheme so I can have 1-C DBH which is where it should be

 

[Ryzen7900X]

why does a 5D temporal axis need to have a corresponding universal sized 3D space other than the universe itself?

Cuz standards

 

[TiltedFN]

That's unironically my long-term goal here insofar as Dragon Ball is concerned. Whether it's through 5-D Afterlife, overarching Marcocosm timeline, Subspace, or Swirling Lights Dimensions, fingers crossed Universe 7 reaches Low 1-C sooner or later.

There's only one way it can.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

 

[Hasty12345]

Cuz standards

but it doesn't even make sense

 

[Deleted member 40688]

There's only one way it can.

 

[Deleted member 40688]

It looks like planet vegeta calc would be accepted.

 

[TiltedFN]

It looks like planet vegeta calc would be accepted.

small star level frieza is great, wonder how this will change the scaling chains

 

[Ryzen7900X]

but it doesn't even make sense

bro nothing past tier low 2-C makes sense lets be real