All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[ArcaneAbyss]

Even I came to that conclusion before but if I am not wrong c.o.t doesn't have time it was also called a space beyond time

https://imgur.io/a/6Ymdo7P#ty6jep6

Even WoV doesn't have time initially but it's still under a time dimension tho, "space beyond time" is hard to quantify as it's saying that it's above time itself, father than lacking it


Has time travel affected the CoT before? Or have time abilities been used there?

 

[Vietthai96]

Time travel, or any change in time do nkt affect CoT, multiverse destruction also do not affect it

 

[Averroes1]

So how will the DBbros handle the 1-A changes? Because from what I've seen there are some translations of that Afterlife scan that implies a non-dimensional physiology, rather then just a place beyond whatever dimensions exist in the verse.

Is that scan even accepted to be worth anything or am I yapping.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Even WoV doesn't have time initially but it's still under a time dimension tho, "space beyond time" is hard to quantify as it's saying that it's above time itself, father than lacking it


Has time travel affected the CoT before? Or have time abilities been uses there?

but there is no temporal dimension which contains c.o.t you have to prove that first it is only referred as a space not space-time

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

So how will the DBbros handle the 1-A changes? Because from what I've seen there are some translations of that Afterlife scan that implies a non-dimensional physiology, rather then just a place beyond whatever dimensions exist in the verse.

Is that scan even accepted to be worth anything or am I yapping.

That scan’s never getting accepted on this site, lmao.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

but there is no temporal dimension which contains c.o.t you have to prove that first it is only referred as a space not space-time

That's why I asked if time travel affects it or if time abilities work there, if either of those things do, then there's clearly time there

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

So how will the DBbros handle the 1-A changes? Because from what I've seen there are some translations of that Afterlife scan that implies a non-dimensional physiology, rather then just a place beyond whatever dimensions exist in the verse.

Is that scan even accepted to be worth anything or am I yapping.

Afterlife is literally classified as a low 2c realm, no chance on hell it gets anything higher unless explicit proof is given

 

[Killerdrone123]

That's why I asked if time travel affects it or if time abilities work there, if either of those things do, then there's clearly time there

I think vieth answered that

 

[Averroes1]

Why is it not accepted as a dimensionally higher realm, the two statements I read seemed pretty straightforward.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Why is it not accepted as a dimensionally higher realm, the two statements I read seemed pretty straightforward.

Hyperbole, poetry, and flowery language

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

But does it even make sense that the world of the dead is a higher dimension, because it is located outside of the 4D Universe (I don't understand these things, but it would be timely if it were actually accepted here)

 

[Killerdrone123]

But does it even make sense that the world of the dead is a higher dimension, because it is located outside of the 4D Universe (I don't understand these things, but it would be timely if it were actually accepted here)

Given the fact that heaven which is as big as living universe completely disappears in its vastness and was stated to have no concept of time also a scan where it was called extradimensional space when goku was racing a kai on bike or smth I think it does but it would never be accepted here not to mention the fact you will get arguments like "it means higher dimension in geometric sense" or hyperbole

 

[Padaruyos]

Low 1-C Macrocosm
Would be two Low 1-C Macrocosms for BoG feat since Supreme Kai World is 1/10 the whole macrocosm.

 

[Killerdrone123]

how many universes does db super goku scale to

Pre t.o.p 3 uni, ui goku 6 uni

 

[Padaruyos]

Speaking of ToP. Do y'all think post-ToP Base Goku is pre-ToP SSB Goku level? Base Goku and Frieza late ToP is relative Android 17 who before ToP is SSB level. Since Android 17 has infinite stamina he should have the same AP.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Given the fact that heaven which is as big as living universes completely disappears in its vastness and was stated to have no concept of time also a scan where it was called extradimensional space when goku was racing a kai on bike or smth I think it does but it would never be accepted here not to mention the fact you will get arguments like "it means higher dimension in geometric sense" or hyperbole

It would be so timely if this were accepted

 

[Robo432343]

Given the fact that heaven which is as big as living universes completely disappears in its vastness and was stated to have no concept of time also a scan where it was called extradimensional space when goku was racing a kai on bike or smth I think it does but it would never be accepted here not to mention the fact you will get arguments like "it means higher dimension in geometric sense" or hyperbole

bro heaven is NOT as big as living universes

 

[Killerdrone123]

bro heaven is NOT as big as living universes

iirc we accept heaven is as big as the universe

 

[Robo432343]

iirc we accept heaven is as big as the universe

i know but why does it look like that

 

[Averroes1]

My knowledge over Dragon Ball is relatively limited, I watched the show back in 2020 or so, and never really touched on it again.

Calling these statements hyperbolic without a solid reason is obviously not an argument, I hope that's not the sole reason why these were not accepted. Eitherway, might be wrong, but Dragon Ball does separate the three layers of the Macrocosm with realms that don't have a concept of space, correct?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

bro heaven is NOT as big as living universes

That same argument again, robot?

 

[Robo432343]

That same argument again, robot?

i use it as a troll argument
(no one can refute it )

 

[Everything12]

"And this, itself, leads us to another possible counterpoint: The fact that a "lack" of dimensionality does not necessarily translate to superiority over dimensionality. That I refer to this as a fact should already inform the you that I don't disagree with this claim, and in fact it is objectively unrelated to this point, as we are talking about actual superiority over dimensionality, not simply an absence of it."

Don't even try it.

 

[Killerdrone123]

i know but why does it look like that

Artistic representation kazi in his one video said that since heaven is 99% of mass destroying it would be equal to billions of times greater than destroying observable universe and I was like what

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

i use it as a troll argument
(no one can refute it )

Lol, but is there a planet that is the size of the Universe too or is it just DB?

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

I think vieth answered that

For time travel yea, bot not time related abilities being used inside the CoT

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

When he fought her, he basically won by circumventing the kaioshin's predictions of time, demonstrating that having vision of the future doesn't work on him.


Wouldn't that give Goku some casualness?

 

[Killerdrone123]

For time travel yea, bot not time related abilities being used inside the CoT

I mean time power users can use time power there

 

[Everything12]

But do did those Time Power uses manipulate time to use their power, or manipulate the power that created time.

 

[Killerdrone123]

When he fought her, he basically won by circumventing the kaioshin's predictions of time, demonstrating that having vision of the future doesn't work on him.


Wouldn't that give Goku some casualness?

Goku is just to fast for aeos to a point that precog doesn't help her

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku is just to fast for aeos to a point that precog doesn't help her

I predict a fight against Yhwach

 

[Killerdrone123]

I predict a fight against Yhwach

By using cc goku, yhwach would loose

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

By using cc goku, yhwach would loose

Really

 

[Killerdrone123]

But do did those Time Power uses manipulate time to use their power, or manipulate the power that created time.

Manipulate power that created time I guess I am not sure tbh all I know time power is conceptual

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

But do did those Time Power uses manipulate time to use their power, or manipulate the power that created time.

Time power comes from Time Energy that created and sustains Time itself

 

[Averroes1]

A non-dimensional physiology lacks the very properties of a dimensional thing, so something that is non-dimensional purely due to it's superiority over dimensionality is 1-A. So the Afterlife which "transcends dimensions", would be on the "superiority" bit and not the "alienness" bit, the problem then lies in what dimensions in this context means.

Dimensions, as repeatedly used in both daizenshuu and Dragon Ball is a reference to realms and universes, however, if we assume dimensions here to be a reference to dimensionality as a whole, then the Afterlife would transcend them, and would definitely have no dimensional property. So it's between Low 1-C and 1-A, you can't really get any lower with a statement like that.

There is another translation however, that claims a superiority over dimensionality as a whole, which would obviously leave no room for interpretation and be a clear cut case of qualitative superiority, thus 1-A.

 

[Electronic74947]

i use it as a troll argument
(no one can refute it )

You just showed an image with nothing of scale for reference……

 

[Electronic74947]

A non-dimensional physiology lacks the very properties of a dimensional thing, so something that is non-dimensional purely due to it's superiority over dimensionality is 1-A. So the Afterlife which "transcends dimensions", would be on the "superiority" bit and not the "alienness" bit, the problem then lies in what dimensions in this context means.

Dimensions, as repeatedly used in both daizenshuu and Dragon Ball is a reference to realms and universes, however, if we assume dimensions here to be a reference to dimensionality as a whole, then the Afterlife would transcend them, and would definitely have no dimensional property. So it's between Low 1-C and 1-A, you can't really get any lower with a statement like that.

There is another translation however, that claims a superiority over dimensionality as a whole, which would obviously leave no room for interpretation and be a clear cut case of qualitative superiority, thus 1-A.

At most those scans you showed are 4-5D, they only state transcendental to the living worlds dimensionality, nothing about it lacking dimensionality outright

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I was looking at episode 29, before a translation of the infinite expansion universe in the anime had appeared, but it seems like it's a bad translation, although here I could really have said that the Universe is infinite (if Akira Toriyama wanted to ), the universe is very big is mentioned several times in the anime, but we don't know how big it is.


I'm referring to this quote which is a bad translation

 

[Killerdrone123]

A non-dimensional physiology lacks the very properties of a dimensional thing, so something that is non-dimensional purely due to it's superiority over dimensionality is 1-A. So the Afterlife which "transcends dimensions", would be on the "superiority" bit and not the "alienness" bit, the problem then lies in what dimensions in this context means.

Dimensions, as repeatedly used in both daizenshuu and Dragon Ball is a reference to realms and universes, however, if we assume dimensions here to be a reference to dimensionality as a whole, then the Afterlife would transcend them, and would definitely have no dimensional property. So it's between Low 1-C and 1-A, you can't really get any lower with a statement like that.

There is another translation however, that claims a superiority over dimensionality as a whole, which would obviously leave no room for interpretation and be a clear cut case of qualitative superiority, thus 1-A.

Look there are better chances of me becoming a billionaire then getting db to 1a using this arguments on vsbw