All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Nullflowerblush]

Personally, I'd just downgrade Frieza to At least Planet level.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

No?
Different continuities.
In the TV anime's continuity, Bardock – The Father of Goku remains the prequel.

'Cuz nobody is doing threads like I am.

hm?

Less "retroactively been made canon" and more "adapted".
Besides, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman is canon to the Super anime because Jaco the Galactic Patrolman is canon to the original series.

whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy would that affect the tv anime?

For the Bardock the Father of Goku movie you could argue that got retconned too because it was also canon to the manga before DB Minus and there’s statement saying it applied to the manga


Im referring to the extinction bomb crt when I mentioned that Toriyama mentioned that saiyans were immune to the extinction bomb and it was argued Toriyama doesn’t have authority over the anime and only manga so that statement couldn’t apply to toei

Also pretty sure Jaco The Galactic Explorer is mostly considered canon to Super because we see the Jaco The Galactic Explorer in super?

That reminds me, the Wiki still uses the Planet Vegeta destruction calculation from the outdated Episode 19 flashback.

that makes me wonder why we don’t use that calc for all versions

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It's real funny how Ginyu Fight Goku ends up being stronger than Planet Vegeta's destruction in the anime just via multipliers

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Pretty sure the broly movie one is not calculable

KLOL509 replied to Kulf Boba's calculation stating that the timeframe was impossible to determine because the bulk of the explosion occurred off-screen and there are multiple cuts in-between shots, but every subsequent cut carries over the continuity from the last, like the travelling of shockwaves across space and towards Frieza and the direction of the sparks.

A timeframe of 7 seconds drops the result down to Large Planet level.

For the Bardock the Father of Goku movie you could argue that got retconned too because it was also canon to the manga before DB Minus and there’s statement saying it applied to the manga

Only Bardock's last stand is referenced.

Im referring to the extinction bomb crt when I mentioned that Toriyama mentioned that saiyans were immune to the extinction bomb and it was argued Toriyama doesn’t have authority over the anime and only manga so that statement couldn’t apply to toei

I meant the whole "Toriyama does has authority over the anime" thing.

 

[BlastX]

That's why SSJ is actually a x78 multiplier in the Toei continuity

Wait what? Why?

 

[Omegabronic]

For the Bardock the Father of Goku movie you could argue that got retconned too because it was also canon to the manga before DB Minus and there’s statement saying it applied to the manga

In the manga we have 2 visual that is similar to DBS broly's scene, we can say what the author intention was sure, but the manga never says that the events of the special are the cannon ones

Im referring to the extinction bomb crt when I mentioned that Toriyama mentioned that saiyans were immune to the extinction bomb and it was argued Toriyama doesn’t have authority over the anime and only manga so that statement couldn’t apply to toei

Toryama said that the galactic patrol couldn't do anything agains the saiyans or freeza, and since they have the bomb, then the 2 must be able to resist that, but we have no proof of a galactic patrol nor the extinction bomb in the toei continuity

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

KLOL509 replied to Kulf Boba's calculation stating that the timeframe was impossible to determine because the bulk of the explosion occurred off-screen and there are multiple cuts in-between shots, but every subsequent cut carries over the continuity from the last, like the travelling of shockwaves across space and towards Frieza and the direction of the sparks.

A timeframe of 7 seconds drops the result down to Large Planet level.

More consistent with his Power Level, pog

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

KLOL509 replied to Kulf Boba's calculation stating that the timeframe was impossible to determine because the bulk of the explosion occurred off-screen and there are multiple cuts in-between shots, but every subsequent cut carries over the continuity from the last, like the travelling of shockwaves across space and towards Frieza and the direction of the sparks.

A timeframe of 7 seconds drops the result down to Large Planet level.

Only Bardock's last stand is referenced.

I meant the whole "Toriyama does has authority over the anime" thing.

I mean that’s it’s outright stated to be canon in the manga iirc it was either in a guide or by Toriyama itself or both

I’m confused are you saying he does have authority over the anime or not?

In the manga we have 2 visual that is similar to DBS broly's scene, we can say what the author intention was sure, but the manga never says that the events of the special are the cannon ones


Toryama said that the galactic patrol couldn't do anything agains the saiyans or freeza, and since they have the bomb, then the 2 must be able to resist that, but we have no proof of a galactic patrol nor the extinction bomb in the toei continuity

Which 2 visuals? The Bardock special was literally stated to be canon to the manga I’m not saying it still is but it was it got retconned though

Toriyama

 

[RedReaper616]

Toryama said that the galactic patrol couldn't do anything agains the saiyans or freeza, and since they have the bomb, then the 2 must be able to resist that, but we have no proof of a galactic patrol nor the extinction bomb in the toei continuity

No, Toriyama explicitly referenced the Extinction Bomb in an interview in V-Jump. If Guides and Interviews are freely allowed to be used for both Anime and Manga, then the Toei Continuity Saiyans should definitely have the same resistance.

I meant the whole "Toriyama does has authority over the anime" thing.

He’s referring to Executor. According to Executor, most—If not all—Of the Toei stuff had a portion of Toriyama’s influence.

This is as small as merely character designs, to writing up a whole weakness for Toei Namekians (whistling hurting their ears due to how advanced/sensitive their hearing is), to the entirety of the Toei Cosmolgy was influenced by Toriyama, made by him so they can make their filler. While each piece of Toei can’t be properly discerned for exactly how much Tori involvement is in it, if we restrict ourselves to solely what Tori has involved himself in, it suddenly becomes a clusterfuck. Mind you, as referenced by Executor, over East they (as in the people who work with him) have the mindset of anything influenced by Toriyama is fair game, and thus DBZ:K could be considered “the true story.”

Also, it should be noted that Toriyama retroactively adds data in interviews, which should also be considered by the logic given. Like S-Cells, the SSG Legend, etc.

 

[Omegabronic]

Which 2 visuals? The Bardock special was literally stated to be canon to the manga I’m not saying it still is but it was it got retconned though

I meant to type 1 instead of 2, by outside of the manga, with later on in the manga comfirming how this was not the case

Toriyama

Huh

 

[Nullflowerblush]

No, Toriyama explicitly referenced the Extinction Bomb in an interview in V-Jump.

In Commemoration of the Conclusion of
JACO THE GALACTIC PATROLMAN
Approaching the first work in years of the legendary Jump author!!
Akira Toriyama-sensei‘s latest work was — incredibly! — linked to that work that we know so well. This time, I’m going with a big special report about Jaco.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

He’s referring to Executor. According to Executor, most—If not all—Of the Toei stuff had a portion of Toriyama’s influence.

Ah, I remember the days when claims had sources backing them up.

 

[MeiouHades]

Basically everything in Super Anime implies that it’s a continuation of Z Anime/Kai but we say otherwise because there’s a statement that DBSSH adapts from Toriyama’s original manga

Hmm….could it be because, oh I don’t know, Toriyama ACTUALLY contributed A LOT to the anime as well?

 

[Omegabronic]

No, Toriyama explicitly referenced the Extinction Bomb in an interview in V-Jump. If Guides and Interviews are freely allowed to be used for both Anime and Manga, then the Toei Continuity Saiyans should definitely have the same resistance.

Not when the interview was in relation to the main continuity/DBS

He’s referring to Executor. According to Executor, most—If not all—Of the Toei stuff had a portion of Toriyama’s influence.

Key point being "portions" we know that he helped, but we don't know all that he did and didn't had a hand into, also how this relate to a thing informed years after the toei animr endee exactly?

This is as small as merely character designs, to writing up a whole weakness for Toei Namekians (whistling hurting their ears due to how advanced/sensitive their hearing is), to the entirety of the Toei Cosmolgy was influenced by Toriyama

I ask you to prove this last part

made by him so they can make their filler. While each piece of Toei can’t be properly discerned for exactly how much Tori involvement is in it, if we restrict ourselves to solely what Tori has involved himself in, it suddenly becomes a clusterfuck.

How would it become a "cluster ****" we would be being acurate

Mind you, as referenced by Executor, over East they (as in the people who work with him) have the mindset of anything influenced by Toriyama is fair game, and thus DBZ:K could be considered “the true story.”

and DBK clearly isn't since it uses the bardock special and has mira and towa in it, both of which do not fit into the main cannon showed in dbs brolt and the main cannon, besides, what they consider matters not much when they aren't akira talking

Also, it should be noted that Toriyama retroactively adds data in interviews, which should also be considered by the logic given. Like S-Cells, the SSG Legend, etc.

Don't see how this matters here?

 

[Omegabronic]

Hmm….could it be because, oh I don’t know, Toriyama ACTUALLY contributed A LOT to the anime as well?

We would need to determine which parts

 

[MeiouHades]

We would need to determine which parts

See Executor’s post. Almost anything that had at least some Toriyama involvement is considered “fair game” at least in Japan.

 

[RedReaper616]

I ask you to prove this last part

I’m telling you what Executor claimed. If you want sources/proof you’ll have to ask him.

How would it become a "cluster *****" we would be being acurate

Because trying to figure out the level of influence Toriyama had with each Toei work is near impossible.

and DBK clearly isn't since it uses the bardock special and has mira and towa in it, both of which do not fit into the main cannon showed in dbs brolt and the main cannon, besides, what they consider matters not much when they aren't akira talking

Sure, but the point remains all the same.

Don't see how this matters here?

I’m just pointing out how interviews should still apply to Toei.

 

[AwkguyDB]

GT Scaling Rough Draft (Gave Golden Oozaru a 10x multiplier on SSJ3)

1 = 3 Universe 2-C for Toei reasonings

SSJ1 Goku: 1

Super Boo: 1

SSJ3 Gotenks: 1

Ultimate Gohan: 1

SSJ2 Vegeta: 10

SSJ2 Goku: 10

Tapion: 10

Hirudegarn: 10

Buuhan: 10

Kid Buu: 10

SSJ3 Goku: 10

Base Vegito: 10

General Rildo: 10

Super Janemba: 10

Super Gogeta: 500

Super Vegito: 500

Hyper Meta Rildo: 500

Meta Rildo: 5,000

Baby: 5,000

GT SSJ Goten: 5,000

GT Base Gohan: 5,000

GT SSJ Gohan: 250,000

Base GT Goku: 250,000

GT SSJ Goku: 12,500,000

GT SSJ2 Goku: 125,000,000

GT SSJ3 Goku: 125,000,000

Baby Vegeta: 125,000,000

Strongest Form 1 Baby Vegeta: 1,250,000,000

Majuub: 1,250,000,000

Strongest Form 2 Baby Vegeta: 1,250,000,000

Golden Oozaru: 1,250,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 1,250,000,000

Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta: 12,500,000,000

FPSSJ4 Goku: 12,500,000,000

——————————————————

Majuub: 1,250,000,000

Super 17: 1,250,000,000

GT SSJ Goku: 1,250,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Super 17 after absorbing more ki: 62,500,000,000,000

——————————————————

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Nouva and Eis Shenron: 62,500,000,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Syn Shenron: 625,000,000,000,000

Super FPSSJ4 Goku: 625,000,000,000,000


Black Smoke Shenron: 6,250,000,000,000,000

Omega Shenron: 6,250,000,000,000,000

SSJ4 Gogeta: 312,500,000,000,000,000

Universal Spirit Bomb: 312,500,000,000,000,000

—————————————————————

End of GT Goku: 12,500,000,000
SSJ: 625,000,000,000
SSJ2/3: 6,250,000,000,000
SSJ4: 62,500,000,000,000
Super FPSSJ4 Goku: 625,000,000,000,000

 

[Omegabronic]

I’m telling you what Executor claimed. If you want sources/proof you’ll have to ask him.

What you said is not what he said tho?

Because trying to figure out the level of influence Toriyama had with each Toei work is near impossible.

your point being? We apply of toei what we know was made by Akira, if that means most of it will not because we don't know how much hand he had so be it, accuracy takes priority in this site

Sure, but the point remains all the same.

It absolutely doesn't, if it was the true story it wouldn't have any contradictions at all

I’m just pointing out how interviews should still apply to Toei.

Not when they are made for one continuity that isn't the toei one

 

[Omegabronic]

GT Scaling Rough Draft (Gave Golden Oozaru a 10x multiplier on SSJ3)

1 = 3 Universe 2-C for Toei reasonings

SSJ1 Goku: 1

Super Boo: 1

SSJ3 Gotenks: 1

Ultimate Gohan: 1

SSJ2 Vegeta: 10

SSJ2 Goku: 10

Tapion: 10

Hirudegarn: 10

Buuhan: 10

Kid Buu: 10

SSJ3 Goku: 10

Base Vegito: 10

General Rildo: 10

Super Janemba: 10

Super Gogeta: 500

Super Vegito: 500

Hyper Meta Rildo: 500

Meta Rildo: 5,000

Baby: 5,000

GT SSJ Goten: 5,000

GT Base Gohan: 5,000

GT SSJ Gohan: 250,000

Base GT Goku: 250,000

GT SSJ Goku: 12,500,000

GT SSJ2 Goku: 125,000,000

GT SSJ3 Goku: 125,000,000

Baby Vegeta: 125,000,000

Strongest Form 1 Baby Vegeta: 1,250,000,000

Majuub: 1,250,000,000

Strongest Form 2 Baby Vegeta: 1,250,000,000

Golden Oozaru: 1,250,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 1,250,000,000

Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta: 12,500,000,000

FPSSJ4 Goku: 12,500,000,000

——————————————————

Majuub: 1,250,000,000

Super 17: 1,250,000,000

GT SSJ Goku: 1,250,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Super 17 after absorbing more ki: 62,500,000,000,000

——————————————————

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Nouva and Eis Shenron: 62,500,000,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Syn Shenron: 625,000,000,000,000

Super FPSSJ4 Goku: 625,000,000,000,000


Black Smoke Shenron: 6,250,000,000,000,000

Omega Shenron: 6,250,000,000,000,000

SSJ4 Gogeta: 312,500,000,000,000,000

Universal Spirit Bomb: 312,500,000,000,000,000

—————————————————————

End of GT Goku: 12,500,000,000
SSJ: 625,000,000,000
SSJ2/3: 6,250,000,000,000
SSJ4: 62,500,000,000,000
Super FPSSJ4 Goku: 625,000,000,000,000

You should put the justification in the bottom if you make a blog for it just like how the current one does, also, could you wait for my recalc of the pikkon feat for you to make one for speed as well?

Good job btw

 

[Omegabronic]

Also this is important. How do we even figure out “how much” influence is enough for it to be considered valid. If, for example, we decided that just passing notes and rough drafts isnt enough, then DBS anime and manga are both noncanon by this standard.

No since both of then are officialy the continuation of the db manga. They are canon by default

 

[Omegabronic]

See Executor’s post. Almost anything that had at least some Toriyama involvement is considered “fair game” at least in Japan.

That will depend on the conclusion of that thread

 

[Fezzih_007]

Also this is important. How do we even figure out “how much” influence is enough for it to be considered valid. If, for example, we decided that just passing notes and rough drafts isnt enough, then DBS anime and manga are both noncanon by this standard.

Wow, you creating a whole new problem, that don't even need exist, since the solution is very simple.
They are both canon, there's zero need to evaluate how much Toriyama have influence something about super.

 

[RedReaper616]

What you said is not what he said tho?

That is what he said, what?

Him mentioning Piccolo’s weakness: The Daizenshuu often has two profiles, one for Toriyama original content, and another for anime-only content. Some stuff that is depicted only in anime, but is mentioned without that mark seems to be that it was made by Toriyama or at least broadly accepted as "main content". The stuff about Piccolo's weakness for example, only appears in anime but is listed without the "anime" marker because it was a setting made by Toriyama.

The Toei Cosmology: Kinda. The cosmology was first made by Toriyama for the anime as Toei needed more content for the filler sections in the Otherworld sections, that is when Toriyama came up with various locations and places for the Otherworld and the lore for the Kais. After he did that, he made mentions of those additions in the manga. When the Daizenshuu was released, he decided to update that with the new locations he made during the Buu Arc.

To Designing Antags: He sure had. Pikkon we know that it got a design by Toriyama, but we can't be sure if his backstory was also by Toriyama. Take most of the movie villains, a lot of them had designs by Toriyama himself, but he seemed to not have anything about the story, in fact, he even forgot that he had designed Broly and that became a joke in the fanbase.

Those are 5 different links, with 5 different posts, with different info he’s stating to corroborate his point (but he offered very little links.)

And yes, the point does remain.

Over EAST, they consider anything made by Toriyama directly. Literally as stated in interview. “We could consider this the true story.”

THEY consider it official.

Which was the point.

You can’t really sidestep it. The point remains regardless of what you claim because this is what was said in interview.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

No since both of then are officialy the continuation of the db manga. They are canon by default

Funnily enough, the manga moreso than the anime. Who'd've thunk it?
Anyway, I'm thinkin'.

 

[Omegabronic]

That is what he said, what?

Him mentioning Piccolo’s weakness: The Daizenshuu often has two profiles, one for Toriyama original content, and another for anime-only content. Some stuff that is depicted only in anime, but is mentioned without that mark seems to be that it was made by Toriyama or at least broadly accepted as "main content". The stuff about Piccolo's weakness for example, only appears in anime but is listed without the "anime" marker because it was a setting made by Toriyama.

The Toei Cosmology: Kinda. The cosmology was first made by Toriyama for the anime as Toei needed more content for the filler sections in the Otherworld sections, that is when Toriyama came up with various locations and places for the Otherworld and the lore for the Kais. After he did that, he made mentions of those additions in the manga. When the Daizenshuu was released, he decided to update that with the new locations he made during the Buu Arc.

To Designing Antags: He sure had. Pikkon we know that it got a design by Toriyama, but we can't be sure if his backstory was also by Toriyama. Take most of the movie villains, a lot of them had designs by Toriyama himself, but he seemed to not have anything about the story, in fact, he even forgot that he had designed Broly and that became a joke in the fanbase.

Those are 5 different links, with 5 different posts, with different info he’s stating to corroborate his point (but he offered very little links.)

And yes, the point does remain.

No it does not he mentioned there is nuanced to it, with him saying that some stuff like the backstories/Story at all were not made by him, he is sayinf exactly what i am to you right now

Over EAST, they consider anything made by Toriyama directly. Literally as stated in interview. “We could consider this the true story.”

THEY consider it official.

official = anything published officially with permision of the guys who own to rights, DB evolution is as official as the anime for example, besides their statement would be completely wrong given the contradiction i presented and that you agreed

You can’t really sidestep it. The point remains regardless of what you claim because this is what was said in interview.

Not really when the person you sre getting the point from is saying the same thing as i am saying

 

[Fezzih_007]

Snip

You say all that, but that still not enough to give the toei sayians the extiction bomb resistance, because Jaco is not canon to Toei.

 

[AwkguyDB]

You should put the justification in the bottom if you make a blog for it just like how the current one does, also, could you wait for my recalc of the pikkon feat for you to make one for speed as well?

Good job btw

thanks and sure this one is solely focused on AP

Relevant take aways:
Golden Oozaru should be the combination of Goku's full super saiyan power stacked on Oozaru due to the fact that its noted to being far stronger than SS3 by Baby so that explains the 10x times there and also another 10x for FPSSJ4 because of Baby's Oozaru

Rildo's Meta transformation gets 10x for being able to compare to Goku's brief SSJ2 transformation

each characters number is determined by their peak output of that arc. So Goku's Base being stronger than Meta Rildo is based on him boxing up Gohan and Goten later in the arc.

Baby's Strongest Form 1 and 2 are confirmed to be SSJ2 and 3 respectively by several guides if I am not mistaken

SSJ4 conservatively is calc'd at a 5000x on base multiplier scaling to Golden Oozaru.

Syn to Omega Shenron is stated somewhere to be a 10x boost as well

SSJ4 Gogeta is simply how we gauge his SSJB counterpart (peak strength of strongest individual fusee x peak form multiplier) so Strength of SSJ4 Goku of the ShadDrag saga x 5000

Universal Spirit Bomb I just scaled to Gogeta

 

[Omegabronic]

thanks and sure this one is solely focused on AP

Relevant take aways:
Golden Oozaru should be the combination of Goku's full super saiyan power stacked on Oozaru due to the fact that its noted to being far stronger than SS3 by Baby so that explains the 10x times there and also another 10x for FPSSJ4 because of Baby's Oozaru

Rildo's Meta transformation gets 10x for being able to compare to Goku's brief SSJ2 transformation

each characters number is determined by their peak output of that arc. So Goku's Base being stronger than Meta Rildo is based on him boxing up Gohan and Goten later in the arc.

Baby's Strongest Form 1 and 2 are confirmed to be SSJ2 and 3 respectively by several guides if I am not mistaken

SSJ4 conservatively is calc'd at a 5000x on base multiplier scaling to Golden Oozaru.

Syn to Omega Shenron is stated somewhere to be a 10x boost as well

SSJ4 Gogeta is simply how we gauge his SSJB counterpart (peak strength of strongest individual fusee x peak form multiplier) so Strength of SSJ4 Goku of the ShadDrag saga x 5000

Universal Spirit Bomb I just scaled to Gogeta

You should scale base goku post karma ball to gogeta, since that is how we scale him here currently

 

[MeiouHades]

Legit, dragon ball on this site is the perfect example of the phrase “too many cooks spoil the soup”. I’d propose deleting the verse but that takes away half of this site’s traffic, maybe more.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

The new chapter has some statements for scaling. When Trunks hears that Piccolo is fighting androids made by Hedo, he states he would be in 'big trouble' if he's alone, based on the past androids he fought by Hedo. How well Trunks understands Piccolo's power is uncertain but I doubt he's totally ignorant about numerous fighters being at 2-C levels of strength. That may scale to the Dinodroid at least.

However, maybe Goten and Trunks are out of shape like Gohan? Gohan was able to sense Orange Piccolo's Ki, which might toss out the idea of him having God Ki. Unless Gohan also has God Ki somehow. Either way if the hybrid duo keep up with Cell Max in the next chapter when they were grounded for a year and seem to be out of shape, that could backscale to the Dinodroid and their power in the Prequel arc being greater.

This could just be them being cocky kids, but Goten and Trunks also tell Gohan and Piccolo to take a break and that they can take Cell Max for them when they know Piccolo powered up further with his Orange form and that the Gammas are as strong or stronger than the Dinodroid and are struggling with Cell Max.

Besides that scaling I didn't notice anything new or interesting in the chapter. Depending on the next chapter we could have 2-C Goten/Trunks solidified.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Frieza calculation was accepted.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

The Frieza calculation was accepted.

Then is Frieza getting downgraded?

 

[Omegabronic]

The Frieza calculation was accepted.

How much does this affect the scaling?

 

[Damage3245]

Then is Frieza getting downgraded?

Yeah, just a tier.

How much does this affect the scaling?

Not a huge amount probably.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

No more 4-C Namek lads and I think thus makes Super Perfect Cell High 4-C, or even 4-C

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Yeah, it's nearly a x700 downgrade, Cell and Gohan are gonna be High 4-C, maybe even some Buu Saga lads

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

You mean just star level?

Yeah, it's nearly a x700 downgrade, Cell and Gohan are gonna be High 4-C, maybe even some Buu Saga lads

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Was the episode 19 of DBS calc calced work or something? I don’t see why would we intentionally use a calc that calcs a destruction off of the reflection of a scouter when we get the whole scene

 

[pineappleman]

GT Scaling Rough Draft (Gave Golden Oozaru a 10x multiplier on SSJ3)

1 = 3 Universe 2-C for Toei reasonings

SSJ1 Goku: 1

Super Boo: 1

SSJ3 Gotenks: 1

Ultimate Gohan: 1

SSJ2 Vegeta: 10

SSJ2 Goku: 10

Tapion: 10

Hirudegarn: 10

Buuhan: 10

Kid Buu: 10

SSJ3 Goku: 10

Base Vegito: 10

General Rildo: 10

Super Janemba: 10

Super Gogeta: 500

Super Vegito: 500

Hyper Meta Rildo: 500

Meta Rildo: 5,000

Baby: 5,000

GT SSJ Goten: 5,000

GT Base Gohan: 5,000

GT SSJ Gohan: 250,000

Base GT Goku: 250,000

GT SSJ Goku: 12,500,000

GT SSJ2 Goku: 125,000,000

GT SSJ3 Goku: 125,000,000

Baby Vegeta: 125,000,000

Strongest Form 1 Baby Vegeta: 1,250,000,000

Majuub: 1,250,000,000

Strongest Form 2 Baby Vegeta: 1,250,000,000

Golden Oozaru: 1,250,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 1,250,000,000

Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta: 12,500,000,000

FPSSJ4 Goku: 12,500,000,000

——————————————————

Majuub: 1,250,000,000

Super 17: 1,250,000,000

GT SSJ Goku: 1,250,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Super 17 after absorbing more ki: 62,500,000,000,000

——————————————————

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Nouva and Eis Shenron: 62,500,000,000,000

SSJ4 Goku: 62,500,000,000,000

Syn Shenron: 625,000,000,000,000

Super FPSSJ4 Goku: 625,000,000,000,000


Black Smoke Shenron: 6,250,000,000,000,000

Omega Shenron: 6,250,000,000,000,000

SSJ4 Gogeta: 312,500,000,000,000,000

Universal Spirit Bomb: 312,500,000,000,000,000

—————————————————————

End of GT Goku: 12,500,000,000
SSJ: 625,000,000,000
SSJ2/3: 6,250,000,000,000
SSJ4: 62,500,000,000,000
Super FPSSJ4 Goku: 625,000,000,000,000

Please don't make a blog just yet, I see some room from improvement (stuff like SFPSSJ4 Goku scaling to Omega, and not Syn/EoGT Goku scaling above Omegaa in base) and i'm planning on doing a full rewatch of GT to get everything more ironed out/see if anything can be added