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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Nullflowerblush said:
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Oh yeah, I forgot that little dialogue. But this starts another weird change. If the Beerus of that timeline stops Zamasu, well now there's another timeline in which Zamasu is still alive and needs to be taken care of, so on and so forth.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
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Off topic but i love how people genuienly dont think hakai can kill immortals because beerus said he cant do it (doesnt even mention hakai btw) then in the next panel he says dont underestimate it and they bave something more convienient (obviously talking abt hakai/existance erasure)
 
Mbpoops said:
The link just links to the main dragon ball page where they talk abt moro and beerus remaster
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What’s the connection between Beerus and Moro? Okay, I’ll rewrite the evidence in this comment ↓

-Could you tell me a bit about the latest parallel-world research?

Prof. Futamase: The concept of parallel worlds originates

from the study of quantum mechanics. It says that at this moment, there are infinite universes that exist, and each one of them contains one 'you'. So if there were, say, 10 universes, then you'd simultaneously exist in all of them.

Simply by cognizing, "I'm here", the universe around you manifests. This is what's known as the many-wr interpretation.
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So you're saying there are multiple universes, and the universe you're asserting in by saying,

"I am here!", becomes fixed as "your universe"...?!

We live in a reality built on multiple universes that are constantly being formed, Professor Fottamas: constantly with every decision we make. Assuming you traveled to the past, you wouldn't be in the past of this universe, which is the result of the accumulation of decisions made by its inhabitants, but in a completely different past—in other words, a parallel universe. This logic allows us to resolve the paradoxes associated with time machines.

-- So in Dragon Ball, are the future in which the androids wreak havoc and the future in which they are defeated actually two completely separate universes?

If you successfully traveled to the past and then tried to return to the timeline Professor Fottamas from which you started, the universe you would arrive in would not be a parallel universe you traveled to in the past. You would essentially be in a new world with a different history.
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Source:
en.dragon-ball-official.com

DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE

Welcome to the Dragon Ball official site, your information hub for the latest Dragon Ball news, manga, anime, merch, and more from around the world!
en.dragon-ball-official.com en.dragon-ball-official.com
 
Mbpoops said:
Off topic but i love how people genuienly dont think hakai can kill immortals because beerus said he cant do it (doesnt even mention hakai btw) then in the next panel he says dont underestimate it and they bave something more convienient (obviously talking abt hakai/existance erasure)
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In this context, Beerus’s words are not serious. Go back to the part before this context, where Beerus appears angry and tense about what is happening. When Whis spoke and said he would go, Beerus exploded in anger and told him that he would create a parallel world if he did that. At that moment, when Goku asked him, Beerus spoke in a non-serious tone just to keep Goku away, saying he couldn’t kill the immortals lightly because of his dimensions, as Beerus didn’t want to get involved or travel, since he would be punished and pressured. You can follow the full context to understand what was said. Beerus’s words were not accurate; they were just meant to keep Goku and the others away and prevent insistence.

Furthermore, Goku’s use of Hakai against Zamasu would have succeeded in erasing him if Zamasu hadn’t attacked Mai at the last moment to stop Goku from completing the Hakai. Otherwise, Zamasu would have been completely erased from existence, ending him permanently, which clarifies everything.

One must understand the context and these details carefully before speaking.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
In this context, Beerus’s words are not serious. Go back to the part before this context, where Beerus appears angry and tense about what is happening. When Whis spoke and said he would go, Beerus exploded in anger and told him that he would create a parallel world if he did that. At that moment, when Goku asked him, Beerus spoke in a non-serious tone just to keep Goku away, saying he couldn’t kill the immortals lightly because of his dimensions, as Beerus didn’t want to get involved or travel, since he would be punished and pressured. You can follow the full context to understand what was said. Beerus’s words were not accurate; they were just meant to keep Goku and the others away and prevent insistence.

Furthermore, Goku’s use of Hakai against Zamasu would have succeeded in erasing him if Zamasu hadn’t attacked Mai at the last moment to stop Goku from completing the Hakai. Otherwise, Zamasu would have been completely erased from existence, ending him permanently, which clarifies everything.

One must understand the context and these details carefully before speaking.
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Yea goku used it against zamasu and it worked i rnb that i just find it funny rhat people genuienly think hakai cant kill immortals 😭
 
Mbpoops said:
Yea goku used it against zamasu and it worked i rnb that i just find it funny rhat people genuienly think hakai cant kill immortals 😭
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Yes, moreover, as I told you, Beerus’s words in this context were only meant to keep Goku and his companions from insisting that he go with them. Before this context, he was angry from the insistence and from Whis, shouting at them, saying “Don’t go, you’ll create a parallel world,” and insisting that the gods cannot violate the laws or travel, and so on. But after all that, Goku asked him in a somewhat mocking way, and Beerus replied, “I cannot kill the immortals” in a deceitful way, lying to Goku just to protect his own dimensions and his companions, not because he truly could not. In the manga, Goku would have actually erased Zamasu from existence using Hakai if Zamasu hadn’t grabbed Mai.
 
Mbpoops said:
Yea goku used it against zamasu and it worked i rnb that i just find it funny rhat people genuienly think hakai cant kill immortals 😭
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If I'm not mistaken, the original manga specifically mentions Zamasu's immortality, although the anime specifically refers to Zamasu, but in the manga we seem to see a mistranslation. However, if you mix the two, an immortal being like Zamasu is considered a "cheat," even though we have Majin Buu and Cell.

So, even if Goku erased Zamasu with Hakai, he should have been able to regenerate his body. Null's response about splitting the timeline is an anime exclusive; I've also provided an album with an explanation not much different from what Null said.

So, in conclusion, regardless of history, the "Zero Mortal Plan" will always exist, even if Future Trunks doesn't return or returns to the present. That's why the same three events repeat themselves; it's like history is already written.
  • Goku's Timeline
  • Future Trunks' Timeline
  • Future Trunks' New Timeline
 
SwordLegendz01 said:
If I'm not mistaken, the original manga specifically mentions Zamasu's immortality, although the anime specifically refers to Zamasu, but in the manga we seem to see a mistranslation. However, if you mix the two, an immortal being like Zamasu is considered a "cheat," even though we have Majin Buu and Cell.

So, even if Goku erased Zamasu with Hakai, he should have been able to regenerate his body. Null's response about splitting the timeline is an anime exclusive; I've also provided an album with an explanation not much different from what Null said.

So, in conclusion, regardless of history, the "Zero Mortal Plan" will always exist, even if Future Trunks doesn't return or returns to the present. That's why the same three events repeat themselves; it's like history is already written.
  • Goku's Timeline
  • Future Trunks' Timeline
  • Future Trunks' New Timeline
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Well the hakai wouldnt conceptually erase him. Im pretty sure not all existence erasure completely erases the person from memory, time, etc; i dont think it erased the dr slump guy in that way either so yea the events still happen its not like he was erasing zamasu from everything. but feel free to correct me if im wrong
 
Mbpoops said:
Well the hakai wouldnt conceptually erase him. Im pretty sure not all existence erasure completely erases the person from memory, time, etc; i dont think it erased the dr slump guy in that way either so yea the events still happen its not like he was erasing zamasu from everything. but feel free to correct me if im wrong
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In the anime, Hakai works by influencing space-time, as Beerus stated, which is why he believes he can destroy Zamasu by killing him in one point in time (limited causality manipulation through Hakai). However, because Zamasu has the Time Ring protecting him, the paradox is resolved by creating a new timeline (ending like mortal logic). In any world, the Zero Mortal Plan will happen, even if Trunks goes back to the past, it will happen in another world, which is why Zamasu is always protected by the Time Ring. That's why he needs to go to the future to kill Zamasu in the future world, but the rules/taboo forbid it, so only Whis goes to the future and asks Beerus on that world to use his authority.

Now, in the manga, the scene of Goku Black being protected by the Time Ring is missing, and then Beerus explicitly says, "I've done my job here, I'll leave it to you guys there," or whatever, which indicates that Hakai works slightly differently in the two continuities.
 
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If the Beerus of that timeline stops Zamasu, well now there's another timeline in which Zamasu is still alive and needs to be taken care of, so on and so forth.
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The timeline with a living Future Zamasu was Future Trunks's world. Then, Zen-Oh erased Future Trunks's world. Then, Future Trunks rewrote the history of his world and had Whis from the past visit and inform Future Beerus of Zamasu, creating a timeline where Zamasu is dead.
 
Mbpoops said:
(obviously talking abt hakai/existance erasure)
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Sealing technique.
Mbpoops said:
Yea goku used it against zamasu and it worked i rnb that i just find it funny rhat people genuienly think hakai cant kill immortals 😭
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Goku destroyed Zamasu's physical form, but his spirit is also immortal, which is why the anime's Infinite Zamasu exists and why Garlic Jr. could break free from inside of the Dead Zone, which freezes the body and soul. Had Goku's Hakai was completed, he either could have regenerated from complete destruction or persisted in his spiritual form.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Sealing technique.

Goku destroyed Zamasu's physical form, but his spirit is also immortal, which is why the anime's Infinite Zamasu exists and why Garlic Jr. could break free from inside of the Dead Zone, which freezes the body and soul. Had Goku's Hakai was completed, he either could have regenerated from complete destruction or persisted in his spiritual form.
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Interesting
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The timeline with a living Future Zamasu was Future Trunks's world. Then, Zen-Oh erased Future Trunks's world. Then, Future Trunks rewrote the history of his world and had Whis from the past visit and inform Future Beerus of Zamasu, creating a timeline where Zamasu is dead.
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So wait did whis save the supreme kai..? He died in the future timeline which is why there was no beerus
 
Mbpoops said:
Off topic but i love how people genuienly dont think hakai can kill immortals because beerus said he cant do it (doesnt even mention hakai btw) then in the next panel he says dont underestimate it and they bave something more convienient (obviously talking abt hakai/existance erasure)
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pretty sure he's talking about a sealing technique (probably the one he used against elder kai)
 
I hate when people say stuff like “hakai can’t kill immortals” because Zamasus immortality is vastly different than another series lol
 
Wait that’s a good question actually if Goku actually fully “erased” Zamasu would he have regenerated or just stayed as a spiritual form ???
 
BoastJr said:
Probably because they is less things to support it on Cell's side

In Toei Broly Movie, SSJ Broly was a threat to the universe and destroyed quadrants for instance so there is more stuff to back up Cell
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I get it, but he still has that statements for solar system busting, and we have manga Goku low-multiv when he has 0 feats for this and only 1 statement from character's opinion. Frieza has more statements that Goku in BoG manga and a decent feat with Genkidama from the entire universe but somehow he didn't get it.
 
Mbpoops said:
Off topic but i love how people genuienly dont think hakai can kill immortals because beerus said he cant do it (doesnt even mention hakai btw) then in the next panel he says dont underestimate it and they bave something more convienient (obviously talking abt hakai/existance erasure)
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"Immortals" in Dragonball logic is very high tier as far as immortality goes, basically angels and this granted immortality by super Shenron, people like buu aren't seen as immortals there

Their other plan was a sealing ability
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Sealing technique.

Goku destroyed Zamasu's physical form, but his spirit is also immortal, which is why the anime's Infinite Zamasu exists and why Garlic Jr. could break free from inside of the Dead Zone, which freezes the body and soul. Had Goku's Hakai was completed, he either could have regenerated from complete destruction or persisted in his spiritual form.
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No, Hakai erases the mind, the body, and the soul as well. Those who are erased by Hakai cease to exist completely, and their souls do not go to the afterlife, because Hakai erases the soul, the body, and the mind, as stated in the work itself. If Goku had completed the Hakai on Zamasu, he would have been erased entirely and everything would have ended. If Zamasu were truly confident in his immortality, he would not have panicked and used Mai as a shield to stop the Hakai. This proves that he is also incapable of surviving if he were completely erased by Hakai. Do not forget that Hakai erases the mind, the body, and the soul, not just the body, and for this reason, anyone who is killed by Hakai will not exist in the afterlife.
 
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