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AlipheeseXIV

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Ngl, don't actually got much to say for this one since its all in the blog, the proposal is CM1 for PGR, I will address what other profiles are affected by this though.

I shouldn't have to say this but, reading this segment is recommended after fully reading the blog. Anyways, the first thing affected by the CRT is the Red Tide ofc, this would naturally scale back to a high degree of relevant characters in at least one way. Overall, this would affect Ascendants, Agents, and Hetero-Creatures the most, as Ascendants are able to control the Red Tide and resist it, Hetero-Creatures are literally made up of the Red Tide nothing more to say there. As for Constructs, they'll only gain resistances and only Specialized and Omega Frames will inherit it. Overall, aside from resistance this really only drastically affects the following profiles:
  • Cradle
  • Luna
  • Ishmael
  • The Hetero Tower
  • Lee Hyperreal
  • Vonnegut
  • The "Key"
Yeah...that's about it lol, hope ya'll have a good rest of the day
Agree: AlphaOmegaV1
Neutral: Vesxpura, Mbpoops
Disagree: SuperNova55555, Hecky2222, Viethhai96, KirbyFan03, ActuallySpaceMan42
SuperSonicTL:
 
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SuperSonicTL said:
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I mean, first of all. The “concept” stuff stinks of flowery language.

And secondly, this isn’t how universals work. CM1 is some abstracta to which it’s particulars depend on for existence… by it merely existing. It doesn’t “make up” anything because that’s not how universals get instantiated across reality. This is like saying Space-Time is CM1 because it “makes up” the universe.

As for what this in particular is? IM2, pretty clearly. CM3 if you wanna wank, but that hax is very mishandled and kinda useless nowadays anyhow. So whatever it’s worth.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
And secondly, this isn’t how universals work. CM1 is some abstracta to which it’s particulars depend on for existence… by it merely existing. It doesn’t “make up” anything because that’s not how universals get instantiated across reality. This is like saying Space-Time is CM1 because it “makes up” the universe.
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Ignoring the first point as it's a frankly weak initial argument, I feel this is kind of nitpicking, cmiiw you're essentially arguing that reality doesn't participates in Silk Threads, but the reverse?
SuperNova55555 said:
As for what this in particular is? IM2, pretty clearly. CM3 if you wanna wank, but that hax is very mishandled and kinda useless nowadays anyhow. So whatever it’s worth.
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It made a clear distinction between IM2, also can't just be CM3 if its governing all of reality
Edit: I put you down as disagree though
 
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Also, if the issue really is the flower language, I can always get the CN scans to clear that up if enough people believe it to be necessary
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Ignoring the first point as it's a frankly weak initial argument, I feel this is kind of nitpicking, cmiiw you're essentially arguing that reality doesn't participates in Silk Threads, but the reverse?
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Huh? Wdym nitpicking? That’s how CM1 is literally supposed to work.

And there’s no “participation” here. Comprising something is not that something participating in it. A homo sapien isn’t literally comprised of the genus homo. It’s just a particular instance of it.

AlipheeseXIV said:
also can't just be CM3 if its governing all of reality
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This doesn’t follow at all. There’s nothing mutually exclusive between universal range and it being CM1.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Huh? Wdym nitpicking? That’s how CM1 is literally supposed to work.

And there’s no “participation” here. Comprising something is not that something participating in it. A homo sapien isn’t literally comprised of the genus homo. It’s just a particular instance of it.


This doesn’t follow at all. There’s nothing mutually exclusive between universal range and it being CM1.
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I feel as if you didn't fully understand the blog, if this was specific to the Red Tide, then I could possibly understand but ultimately you seem to just be viewing this through the lens that "this is just the same argument hoyo had" when it's not. I also don't see how you can chalk it up to just universal range and CM3, but eh. Well your input is noted
 
So from what I read

Silk threads are omnipresent things that encompasses reality while existing beyond reality.
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I find iffy how in context it "governs" reality, so i go with femboy here. Stuff seems like information to me
 
If the case that what governs the universe is a composite, then it must be granted that by being such a composite, it can be reduced into proper constituents of itself. I.e you can reduce the totality of the threads into individual threads.

But, if the justification for the CM1 is in the summation of those threads, then it inductively follows that the gap between such CM1 and a particular CM3 (say, a singular thread, since it wouldn’t be CM1 if it didn’t affect all reality by itself) can thusly be bridged quantitatively. That is, by merely being capable of affecting a relatively high amount of separate CM3 concepts (a high number of threads).

Which is to say that for structurals like this, you’d not only be able to affect a part of it, but cumulatively also the whole of it even with lesser types of CM.
 
Honestly not entirely sure where we get this from, but alright. Ya'll votes will be counted when I'm free later
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Ngl, don't actually got much to say for this one since its all in the blog, the proposal is CM1 for PGR, I will address what other profiles are affected by this though.

I shouldn't have to say this but, reading this segment is recommended after fully reading the blog. Anyways, the first thing affected by the CRT is the Red Tide ofc, this would naturally scale back to a high degree of relevant characters in at least one way. Overall, this would affect Ascendants, Agents, and Hetero-Creatures the most, as Ascendants are able to control the Red Tide and resist it, Hetero-Creatures are literally made up of the Red Tide nothing more to say there. As for Constructs, they'll only gain resistances and only Specialized and Omega Frames will inherit it. Overall, aside from resistance this really only drastically affects the following profiles:
  • Cradle
  • Luna
  • Ishmael
  • The Hetero Tower
  • Lee Hyperreal
  • Vonnegut
  • The "Key"
Yeah...that's about it lol, hope ya'll have a good rest of the day
Agree: AlphaOmegaV1
Neutral: Vesxpura, Mbpoops
Disagree: SuperNova55555
SuperSonicTL:
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You don't have a better definition of how or which "concepts" they are referring to in this scan.

The word "concept" here seems to have more to do with "idea" or "objective" than a "universal," which is what we call a Type 1 CM in VSB.

This scan also shows that the information here comprises the concepts, as it absorbs information to extract concepts from the earth, and this makes the interpretation of information > concepts more rational in the presented context.
 
King_Gorilla4002-8922 said:
You don't have a better definition of how or which "concepts" they are referring to in this scan.

The word "concept" here seems to have more to do with "idea" or "objective" than a "universal," which is what we call a Type 1 CM in VSB.
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Will see, still awaiting more opinions before deciding to bring more stuff. The general consensus right now is looking like it'll require it though, but I just got back from work and am looking to relax for the rest of the day
King_Gorilla4002-8922 said:
This scan also shows that the information here comprises the concepts, as it absorbs information to extract concepts from the earth, and this makes the interpretation of information > concepts more rational in the presented context.
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Nah that's for the Red Tide
 
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