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Zeno erases universes within 5 seconds yet it took him 25-30 seconds to prepare and erase Zamasu
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Alien X vs Zeno
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Which is different to how he does it against ToP characters and their universes, it doesn't start off slower there or whatever
And I debunked that, Alien X has to cross the starting distance for his wincon, Zeno doesn't, therefore Zeno wins
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Sure if we take screen time but yet if the start was shown to be slower than how long it took then either it takes 1 sec or 1 year to erase someone doesn't matter.
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I asked if there is any proof that his start off there was any faster than zamasu arc?
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The zamasu scene was padded out to be dramatic. We see zeno instantly erasing universes by waving his hand in the tournament of power.
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Sure does but again is there any contradiction to his start off speed? Was any character in the top able to react while zeno erased them? Was there no time gap btw?
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he still had to make those weird blast things with his hand which took time
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zeno is so dumb that he probably wont even realize Alien x is his opponent....like when Goku had to outright tell him that he wasn't the bad guy
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SBA means they're aware of each other and fully willing to defeat them
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Zeno's first and only move is to erase, Alien X has dozens of moves but only two of them can defeat Zeno, EE which is never happening in character and mind control that he needs to be close to Zeno to use
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There's no expansion there whatsoever, his EE instantly covers the characters and they get erased after a few seconds
Nothing at all like what happened against Zamasu where a blatant shockwave expanded and erased everything
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Ah makes sense
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Then why alien x was said to only use mind hax as start? When alien x was aware of galactic gladiator then he chooses to handle the fight as per need not as per how he usually do. Like using block, combat or whatever.
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I never said Alien X would start with mind hax, I actually refuted that hours ago but everyone else kept arguing it including you
Against Galactic Gladiator he started with hand-to-hand, or a forcefield if you want to consider that which works out even worse for him
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Because that's what the tournament was for, tetramed combat was what ben decided there to conclude the trail, so that was demanded not what he will do in every situation, that scene proves he act as per demand.
Also expansion :-
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Alien X decided to use for force field in against galactic gladiator when gap wasn't enough to attack, he knows what to do and how to act as per need, so Considering he created everything in the universe including memories quite same, he would be aware of ee and what to do in this situation. GG
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Doesn't change that that's what he does in character in combat, we aren't just going to assume that Alien X will fight perfectly to counter Zeno and decide to use some magic erasure that's instant or something
That's not expansion lol, that's just some weird water-drop effect the anime decided to use
This is expansion against Zamasu
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Why is that?
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It's expansion done in both zamasu arc and top
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Because it makes no sense to say Alien X will act in a perfect way just to defeat Zeno as oppose to the way he's shown to act in actual combat, characters are in character and will fight how they fought in canon.Why is that?
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It's expansion done in both zamasu arc and top
That isn't expansion, the expansion is the blue sphere of energy gradually getting bigger and erasing everything as shown in the video I linked...
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Here is why
The video you linked shown the same thing happened in zamasu arc.
And :-
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OP should address where they are fighting
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Central Park via SBA
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“Location: Central Park, New York City. The location can be left during the course of battle. If extreme advantages are generated via this location to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.”
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Alien X is only nigh-Omniscient for his own verse, it doesn't let him know everything about Zeno or what to do to counter him
Yes they both had a strange water-drop effect, however there was no gradually expanding sphere of energy leading to erasure during the ToP, only against Zamasu
Even if we assume it's half as fast, it doesn't change anything, it still happens before Alien X gets within mind hax or hand-to-hand range
If the OP wants the result to change then they should make starting distance like 10 meters or make Alien X bloodlusted, but that would just flip the result in Alien X's favor
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I can literally say the same thing about zeno's ee. That's not how it works, it's his ability.
Why would we assume half? Multipliers in dragonBall works in damn great way like 3×3 =9 not 3+3= 6
Zamasu arc is a example.
Assumption, it's expansion as shown in both are same.
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If Zeno and Alien X are fighting in New York City and Zeno erases the universe....wouldn't he be the one being erased instead in the process??
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How can you say the same about EE? Alien X's nigh-omniscience is knowing almost everything in his own verse, not knowing almost everything in every verse that ever existed
Because it's Zeno's EE + Zeno's EE...? It seems to me like you're just grasping at straws at this point, Alien X is never getting close enough to Zeno to mind hax him before he gets erased, not unless the thread is changed to put them meters apart to begin with
No it isn't an expansion, the sphere of energy expanding against Zamasu is expansion
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For the same reason you are giving for alien x omniscience to be verse based. I can say samething that zenoh can erase everything in his own verse. That's legit not how abilities works. It's an ability for alien x.
No, because Dragonball uses multipliers and characters ki multiplie's not added and it has shown that two zeno combined erase expansion speed is faster than single zenoh erase expansion speed.
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IT'S EXPANSION MY BUD.
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@Maverick_Zero_X are abilities that they have shown to have in their verse has been nullified here as it's a metafictional battle?
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You're somehow trying to compare the ability to erase things to having knowledge of almost everything within their own verse, two things that are blatantly incomparable.
Prove Zeno's EE speed is being multiplied
It's not expansion, you can repeat it however many times you want but it isn't going to change
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zeno literally dies while erasing the universe in NYC tho, we saw alien x survive the universe being destroyed
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Zeno isn't erasing just the universe, he's erasing Alien X as well
And how does Zeno die? We saw him survive the erasure of Trunk's universe
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Except it wouldn't affect X.
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For what reason...?
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Usually no. Though Omniscience indeed doesn’t apply to knowledge outside of a character’s verse
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^^Cuz Alien X is shown to be immune to EE and lives above space-time.
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You are trying to compare abilities to erase almost everything in their own verse to having nigh OMNICIENT. Two things that are balantly incomparable. As I said it can go both ways.
That's what has been shown to use in the Dragonball so far also expansion in the top was shown to be alot faster than zamasu arc, you are implying addition without any base from the verse, so burden of proof is on you.
Prove that there is anything different in top and zamasu arc erasing aside from massing Change in speed caused by two combined zeno. Because both of them have shown same kind of expansion.
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