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Not on his profile = not relevant
How does his reality warping, information manipulation and space-time manipulation defeat Zeno exactly?
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Alien X vs Zeno
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He still and clearly resisted EE. Everyone and everything around him was shown to be erased except him.
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Make a crt
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I am planning to make an Alien X crt of my own, but there is already one ongoing so probably after.
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“How reality warping actually works is the user overwrites their target's current existential state, for example, a super-earth. The user pastes their interpretation of what the super-earth should be, a mercury-size-planet or massive illuminated brown dwarf. Another example is overwriting the universe, erasing or pasting their exposition over the original universe. It is similar to editing a word document, erasing and overwriting existing content to provide space for the original content. Not to be confused with an advanced variant of reality warping: existence manipulation. Users of existence manipulation shape their target instead of pasting over its current state, enabling them to alter the existence or actuality of their target freely."
"Reality Warping | Superpower Wiki | Fandom" https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Reality_Warping
Forthegood
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That was via him existing outside space and time isn't this listed in his page?
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I'm talking about when the annihilargh went off and was there standing still while it was erasing everything.
Forthegood
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Nvm I see that they accepted it as Tanking Universal destruction
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I know how reality warping works, too bad Alien X has never done anything offensive with it iirc
Alien X can only win via EE and mind manip
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He recreated the universe and its space-times which is basically reality warping.
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Creating a universe isn't offensive
Explain how Alien X uses his reality warping to beat Zeno
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But he never really uses it in The Mask's way of reality warping right?
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Then Destroying is? gg
Forthegood
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He should be able to do so seeing how he was explicitly stated that his thoughts become reality and we know that their race is behind the art style changes so him turning Zeno into a Donut shouldn't be deemed impossible.
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Destroying a universe isn't beating Zeno though...not like he ever did this anyway
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Why with a Ap that is capable of destroy a universe can't beat zeno? Is his durability that high?
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Yeah ya'll are getting into NLF territory with his reality warping now, reality warpers can only do what they've shown to do
He's never used it offensively, and even if he could do so, it's not in character so it's irrelevant
Zeno raises his hand and erases which is faster and more guaranteed than anything Alien X would do
He's never used it offensively, and even if he could do so, it's not in character so it's irrelevant
Zeno raises his hand and erases which is faster and more guaranteed than anything Alien X would do
Forthegood
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Well his entire race is capable of changing an entire franchise which is why he got Multiversal range(since the timelines were also affected) so why wouldn't he be able to pull out guns from nowhere?
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2C dura
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He literally did used his powers and reality wrapping offensively against galactic gladiator in trail court by the way.
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2c ap regardless. He won't stay unaffected. And are we aware of what
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If you want to attribute the black hole to his reality warping then sureHe literally did used his powers and reality wrapping offensively against galactic gladiator in trail court by the way.
Isn't changing that Zeno's first move is to erase and Alien X's is either telekinesis as shown against the Amalgam kids or hand-to-hand as shown against Galactic Gladiator
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2C AP is destroying more than 1 universe. You were saying that Zeno can't tank low-2C AP back there.
Forthegood
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The ability itself is a NLF since their abilities are limited to their minds and can imagine anything yet again what's stopping Alien X from turning Zeno into a Donut? Especially when it was confirmed that they are the reason behind art style changes and that they can change how certain life forms looks like in their verse. But wouldn't that take away their entire ability away as reality warpers?
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Why would we presume that alien x would choose to use telekinesis first? He can simply go with existence erasure/attack.
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Because he never chooses ee first.
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My bad, but I meant that "the universe" in vs battle is 2c for ben 10 not low 2c. regardless it's still
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Which applies to pretty much any reality warper, they're limited by their imagination but here we have to define limits, and those limits are whatever they showed
Take this character for example, he's stated to be able to turn anything he imagines into reality, so would we say he can turn the universe into an orange and make Azathoth his slave? No, we'd say he can only reality warp to the extent that he has reality warped.
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We go with what he's most likely to start with, and he's shown to start with telekinesis/hand-to-hand, he's never even used EE.
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He didn't want to erase the rooters who he was controlling, all he did was just made them fight each other.
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Zeno's reaction speed is far lower to that of alien x shown on multiple occasions like in TOP. So either he'll die before he could do something or will be a eternal slave of mind hax.
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He moved them using telekinesis and then mind controlled them
Alien X has never once used EE, it's questionable if he should even have it, the only time he'd ever use it in a battle is if he's made to be bloodlusted by the thread creator
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They literally said in the show that he has it. He can use it whenever he wants.
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battle's Don't go like that, how they have shown to fight are taken in account.
Alien X shown to use telekinesis and speed or combat, so that's what the start will be.
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The quote is
"Could one day just wish everything out of existence"
That's it, that is all the evidence he ever has for having EE, never used and never mentioned again iirc.
Forthegood
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But that's the thing you have to make sure it makes sense obviously Gremmy wouldn't be able to do it because he doesn't have Universal range. As seen with Alien X or his race their Reality warping range is accepted as 2B since their reality warping was able to affect the infinitely branching timelines too.
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"They can blink and we'd be gone."-Kevin Levin
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Speed is equalized
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Reducing someone to atoms would fit this statement all the same
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