Alien X vs Hulk | 4-0-3

[Robo432343]

Also Hulk has amps that can make him go up to infinite speed so idek how Alien X is going to tag him. Because speed is =, Ax doesn't have immeasurable speed in this match

and yes speed amps are allowed in speed equalized matches

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Also Hulk has amps that can make him go up to infinite speed so idek how Alien X is going to tag him

and yes speed amps are allowed in speed equalized matches

Hulk has infinite speed. X has immeasurable speed. He blitzes if speed wasn't equalized.

 

[Robo432343]

Hulk has infinite speed. X has immeasurable speed. He blitzes if speed wasn't equalized.

Op said speed is equal
Hulk gets amped to infinite speed while X goes down to MFTL speed
"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc."

 

[Tomfer]

Please stick to the character's profile.

Please learn how to read. The magic page literally says word for word, bar for bar. There's no excuse to keep pressing that button, bro.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Op said speed is equal
Hulk gets amped to infinite speed while X goes down to MFTL speed
"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc."

K. So Hulk destroys X's avatars but can't affect X's pocket dimension. So Ben van just attack X from the safety where Hulk can't reach him.

 

[Robo432343]

x can't even tag hulk because of the MFTL-Infinite speed difference

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

x can't even tag hulk because of the MFTL-Infinite speed difference

He doesn't need to. He just needs to affect him with his ranged abilities. X can affect anything within a H1B range.

 

[Hellformer]

Alien X FRA

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

You're wrong there.

The Ultimate Kevin arc is canonically OoC for Ben. We've seen that he DOES NOT kill at all during UAF and OV, even when he had the reasons and/or opportunity.

• He didn't want to kill Zomboso, even if he attempted to hurt his family.
• He didn't want Kevin to kill Ragnarok, because he need to "be judged properly."
• One of Plumbers rules is that they are not executioners, but a force of good.
• He didn't allow Ben 23 to kill Azmuth, not only because it was Azmuth, but also cuz "He almost crossed a line with no return."

Even during Ultimate Kevin arc he didn't want to kill Jim until literally the final of the arc, and even then, he wasn't sure about doing it.

Maybe Ben isn't Spider-Man or Batman, but he will walkways try to not kill if there's LITERALLY any other way to defeat the bad guy, and even then, he would try another way.

Yeah if there is literally any other way, if not we know what happend to some villains like Ghostfreak or Maltruant etc...

 

[J.J._Chambers]

Alien X FRA

 

[Brogeefrong]

Op said speed is equal
Hulk gets amped to infinite speed while X goes down to MFTL speed
"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc."

Nah Hulk starts with the Infinite Speed amp, so X also goes down to Infinite
Anyways even if Hulk can't reach the pocket dimension, would the magic being able to affect reality on a Low 1-A extend to the pocket dimension

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Voting for Alien x

 

[GeneralSol16]

Yeah if there is literally any other way, if not we know what happend to some villains like Ghostfreak or Maltruant etc...

Ben during OV says that he knows Ghostfreak will come back, the other times Ghostfreak died was literally the only option or Ben would have been dead.

And Maltruant isn't dead lol, he's trapped in a temporal loop, Ben was aware of that.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Ben during OV says that he knows Ghostfreak will come back, the other times Ghostfreak died was literally the only option or Ben would have been dead.

And Maltruant isn't dead lol, he's trapped in a temporal loop, Ben was aware of that.

What about malware he clearly did kill him with Feedback

 

[GeneralSol16]

What about malware he clearly did kill him with Feedback

Malware wasn't dead, Ben did to him the same that malware did with the other Mechamorphs: Take out his energy.

And Azmuth says that they're still alive in that form (barely, but alive)

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Malware wasn't dead, Ben did to him the same that malware did with the other Mechamorphs: Take out his energy.

And Azmuth says that they're still alive in that form (barely, but alive)

He didn't take out his energy he overpowered him with his beam, i don't think this is the same situation.

 

[Robo432343]

Nah Hulk starts with the Infinite Speed amp, so X also goes down to Infinite

???
That’s not how it works

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Giga X mogs

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

???
That’s not how it works

wasn't Alien X's speed was purely infinite back then i mean he fought with Galactic Gladiator who had infinite attack speed

 

[Robo432343]

wasn't Alien X's speed was purely infinite back then i mean he fought with Galactic Gladiator who had infinite attack speed

Yes but how is this relevant
Alien X combat speed gets reduced to Hulks combat speed which is MFTL+ while hulk will grow up to infinite speed
it will be a MFTL to infinite speed difference

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Yes but how is this relevant
Alien X combat speed gets reduced to Hulks combat speed which is MFTL+ while hulk will grow up to infinite speed
it will be a MFTL to infinite speed difference

I see, but the starter is not aware from that i guess

 

[REX9097]

Alien X FRA

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Yes but how is this relevant
Alien X combat speed gets reduced to Hulks combat speed which is MFTL+ while hulk will grow up to infinite speed
it will be a MFTL to infinite speed difference

Hulk's speed is irrelevant as X's body can be destroyed and X can still act independently from it from his Pocket Dimension. Hulk lacks the range.

Alien X FRA.

 

[Hellformer]

Hulk's speed is irrelevant as X's body can be destroyed and X can still act independently from it from his Pocket Dimension. Hulk lacks the range.

Alien X FRA.

The OP has stated that both should have High 1-B key which means hulk starts directly with infinite speed due to rage boost and due to speed equalisation, so will Alien X

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Yes but how is this relevant
Alien X combat speed gets reduced to Hulks combat speed which is MFTL+ while hulk will grow up to infinite speed
it will be a MFTL to infinite speed difference

The OP has stated that both should have High 1-B key which means hulk starts directly with infinite speed due to rage boost and due to speed equalisation, so will Alien X

Ok. So speed overall is equalized. AX's avatars will be able to keep up Hulk.

 

[Robo432343]

The OP has stated that both should have High 1-B key which means hulk starts directly with infinite speed due to rage boost and due to speed equalisation, so will Alien X

What no????
This key of hulk starts off with MFTL speed and gets raged up to infinite speed as the fight progresses. You can’t just make hulk start off with infinite speed because his profile does not allow that
Both characters start with MFTL but hulk will grow up to infinite speed, leaving alien x still with MFTL speed
Hulk actually has an amp that makes him infinite speed

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

What no????
This key of hulk starts off with MFTL speed and gets raged up to infinite speed as the fight progresses. You can’t just make hulk start off with infinite speed because his profile does not allow that
Both characters start with MFTL but hulk will grow up to infinite speed, leaving alien x still with MFTL speed

The OP said both are High 1B. Hulk is High 1B if he's angry. He has infinite speed when he's angry. So ergo, he has infinite speed from the beginning. Otherwise Hulk will start off at High 3A and X will be able to 1 shot him.

 

[Robo432343]

The OP said both are High 1B. Hulk is High 1B if he's angry. He has infinite speed when he's angry. So ergo, he has infinite speed from the beginning. Otherwise Hulk will start off at High 3A and X will be able to 1 shot him.

But we can’t use high 1-B hulk, we have to use high 3-A hulk first otherwise this match can’t work

Also why tf is Alien x getting downgraded in the same thread that is upgrading him

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

But we can’t use high 1-B hulk, we have to use high 3-A hulk otherwise this match can’t work

Exactly. Hulk is angry from the beginning thus he also has infinite speed from the beginning.

Why can't we use H1B Hulk?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Also why tf is Alien x getting downgraded in the same thread that is upgrading him

It's not a downgrade. It's an Admin disagreeing with the upgrade.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Also Hulk has amps that can make him go up to infinite speed so idek how Alien X is going to tag him. Because speed is =, Ax doesn't have immeasurable speed in this match

and yes speed amps are allowed in speed equalized matches

I've seen people lying about it not being allowed

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

I've seen people lying about it not being allowed

There is a massive AP difference if amps are in

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

There is a massive AP difference if amps are in

Hulk with amps has H1B AP. So AP is still equalized.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Hulk with amps has H1B AP. So AP is still equalized.

i mean at the start he is high 3A isn't he?

 

[AigerTheKing]

There is a massive AP difference if amps are in

I meant about Speed amps not being allowed in versus threads

 

[MrLuk2000]

Alien X is back to 1-B, unless Alien X is back to Tier High 1-B I suggest this thread to be closed for the time being.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I've seen people lying about it not being allowed

It’s not allowed when the character with slower speed blitzes the character with higher speed due to speed amp in speed equalized match-ups

Anyways, Hulk stomps cuz Alien X is back to 1-B

 

[Robo432343]

Anyways, Hulk stomps cuz Alien X is back to 1-B

nah he still doesn’t have the range to touch ax

 

[MadeByZiggy]

I don't know why the Hulk CM type 1 arg was ignored. He quite literally mogs with that.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

I don't know why the Hulk CM type 1 arg was ignored. He quite literally mogs with that.

I already explained that. CM only allows you to manipulate certain objects of the concept.
Qoute;
All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the object of the concepts they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate the concept of darkness is not able to manipulate the concept of matter or an individual unless otherwise shown.
In Hulk's case, he's only able to manipulate radiation.